NCclimber 0 #201 August 6, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Why is it silly? If a healthy person is paying more in premiums than they use in services, then where is the rest of the money going? Over the past 30 years I have paid way more in health insurance premiums than I have gotten back in actual care. So you're upset because you haven't gotten terribly sick or injured? Rubbish. You need to read more carefully before jumping to absurd conclusions. Said the pot to the kettle. Colin Powell attempted to cover up the My Lai massacre... The New York Times was blocked by the NSC from publishing a story they wished to print. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #202 August 6, 2007 i have another example of why we shouldn't have government heathcare. it has just been mandated that all air force hospitals will have five squadrons. the small hospital my wife works at only has three. because the patient population has risen since it was decided how many docs/nurses/techs they are allotted, they are under manned. the head of the hospital has been trying to get that changed, but its a long and difficult process. meanwhile, he now has to create two more squadrons, the squadron commanders need to have offices as do their secretaries. there aren't enough offices for everybody, so people that are actually need an office are going to lose it to make room for more management that isn't even needed. this is the way government works. its wasteful, you are paying for it, and it doesn't do anything to improve patient care. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #203 August 7, 2007 I told her that keeping a roof over my head was far more importanted than healthcare. You think we doctors have nothing better to do than to play golf? Care whether or not our patients live or die? etc.etc.etc on the insults to docs. You are soooo right. I can't wait for my golf game, just after I've been up all night answering calls every hour. Or after my 100 hour work during internship and residency. Yeah, I 've played so much golf during my training, I have a handicap (not). and, all that money I make. the $5.83 I received from medicaid after I spent an hour and a half interviewing a patient. And how about those student loans of mine...All $246,000 that I owe Sallie Mae....And I went to a state university. Last year, I billed $75K for services, I received $25K and my overhead was $20. Five thousand dollars "profit" after breaking my ass for four years of college, MCATS, Four years of Med school, 100+ hour weeks during two internships and residencies, board exams, malpractice insurance, and the list goes on. I should have been a mechanic. They charge and get $75 per hour, and people don't hesitate to insure their cars and take proper care of them. but when it comes to taking proper care of themselves, ....exhausted....why do I even bother in this fucking profession? Maybe I should go play golf ...for a change. I sure am tired of working my ass into the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #204 August 7, 2007 Quote I told her that keeping a roof over my head was far more importanted than healthcare. You think we doctors have nothing better to do than to play golf? Care whether or not our patients live or die? etc.etc.etc on the insults to docs. You are soooo right. I can't wait for my golf game, just after I've been up all night answering calls every hour. Or after my 100 hour work during internship and residency. Yeah, I 've played so much golf during my training, I have a handicap (not). and, all that money I make. the $5.83 I received from medicaid after I spent an hour and a half interviewing a patient. And how about those student loans of mine...All $246,000 that I owe Sallie Mae....And I went to a state university. Last year, I billed $75K for services, I received $25K and my overhead was $20. Five thousand dollars "profit" after breaking my ass for four years of college, MCATS, Four years of Med school, 100+ hour weeks during two internships and residencies, board exams, malpractice insurance, and the list goes on. I should have been a mechanic. They charge and get $75 per hour, and people don't hesitate to insure their cars and take proper care of them. but when it comes to taking proper care of themselves, ....exhausted....why do I even bother in this fucking profession? Maybe I should go play golf ...for a change. I sure am tired of working my ass into the ground. I think you may have been pissed when you wrote that, but it's REALLY funny. But there's no WAY to describe the situation in any way that's believable to a person who hasn't been there. They'll nod their heads, blah, blah, blah, or they'll pick out every minute mistake you make to point out to the world how you (and every other physician) sucks and is only in it for the money...LOLOL!!!!! Most of 'em get a good night's sleep darn near every night. Can you imagine THAT?! I can't. Once a week if I'm lucky. But you and I both suck. It's just how it is. We worked our asses off to become physicians, continue to work our asses of after becoming physicians in order to improve and get better and better at what we do. But if we were worth a damn we'd not have to do those things. We'd know all we need to know and be capable of performing every procedure without flaw. And despite the long hours, the unimaginable stress at times, and the sacrifice that goes along with the territory, we'd do it without compensation. We suck. We all do. Heh. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #205 August 7, 2007 Don't like it? There is always welding school. I fully realize that most dr.'s have a heavy load and that often their hands are tied. But, I have stuck in the medical system for 12 years and I have met a few dr.s that were shit for brains. I have, also, met quite a few very good dr.s. Those being at the V.A. in St.Louis are very fine people. The Dr.'s whom I have seen in private practice seemed to have more of a fuck you attitude. I don't know you so, I can't say either way about you. I'm not happy with the AIDS doc in Springfield whom I am to see in Sept.. I wasn't to happy with his attitude the last time I saw him. I have talked to others at the clinic and heard the same. He doesn't care to answer questions. The guy barely says a word. The same was with a private practice AIDS doc in St. Louis. I most likely will make the long drive to the V.A. in St. Louis. I was very happy with them. Hey, if you're not happy with your pay, maybe you shouldn't had gotten into the medical field. As for insurance? I had good insurance untill my job went across the border. But then I do have the V.A."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #206 August 7, 2007 QuoteQuote I told her that keeping a roof over my head was far more importanted than healthcare. You think we doctors have nothing better to do than to play golf? Care whether or not our patients live or die? etc.etc.etc on the insults to docs. You are soooo right. I can't wait for my golf game, just after I've been up all night answering calls every hour. Or after my 100 hour work during internship and residency. Yeah, I 've played so much golf during my training, I have a handicap (not). and, all that money I make. the $5.83 I received from medicaid after I spent an hour and a half interviewing a patient. And how about those student loans of mine...All $246,000 that I owe Sallie Mae....And I went to a state university. Last year, I billed $75K for services, I received $25K and my overhead was $20. Five thousand dollars "profit" after breaking my ass for four years of college, MCATS, Four years of Med school, 100+ hour weeks during two internships and residencies, board exams, malpractice insurance, and the list goes on. I should have been a mechanic. They charge and get $75 per hour, and people don't hesitate to insure their cars and take proper care of them. but when it comes to taking proper care of themselves, ....exhausted....why do I even bother in this fucking profession? Maybe I should go play golf ...for a change. I sure am tired of working my ass into the ground. I think you may have been pissed when you wrote that, but it's REALLY funny. But there's no WAY to describe the situation in any way that's believable to a person who hasn't been there. They'll nod their heads, blah, blah, blah, or they'll pick out every minute mistake you make to point out to the world how you (and every other physician) sucks and is only in it for the money...LOLOL!!!!! Most of 'em get a good night's sleep darn near every night. Can you imagine THAT?! I can't. Once a week if I'm lucky. But you and I both suck. It's just how it is. We worked our asses off to become physicians, continue to work our asses of after becoming physicians in order to improve and get better and better at what we do. But if we were worth a damn we'd not have to do those things. We'd know all we need to know and be capable of performing every procedure without flaw. And despite the long hours, the unimaginable stress at times, and the sacrifice that goes along with the territory, we'd do it without compensation. We suck. We all do. Heh. linz Didn't you recently finish your internship ...and buy a new Harley and a magnificent new home, remodel and refurnished it ...and how bout that jacuzzi you posted about? If I'm wrong, I apologize. If not ...well, I really don't believe your comments about suffering and lack of compensation carry much weight. I'm not saying you don't work hard, nor am I saying you don't deserve all of these things and more ...just stop with the violin.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #207 August 7, 2007 Quote If not ...well, I really don't believe your comments about suffering and lack of compensation carry much weight. I'm not saying you don't work hard, nor am I saying you don't deserve all of these things and more ...just stop with the violin. Hey... let's put jenfly in charge of deciding what is important or valid or relevant. She really seems to have an uncanny knack for putting herself in other's shoes and empathizing with their situation. And so fair-minded. Let's make it official. "I'm jenfly. I'm the decider." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #208 August 7, 2007 Quote I told her that keeping a roof over my head was far more importanted than healthcare. You think we doctors have nothing better ...............................................................................Maybe I should go play golf ...for a change. I sure am tired of working my ass into the ground. Someone call the Whaaaaaaaaaaaambulance, STAT! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #209 August 7, 2007 Quote Quote I told her that keeping a roof over my head was far more importanted than healthcare. You think we doctors have nothing better ...............................................................................Maybe I should go play golf ...for a change. I sure am tired of working my ass into the ground. Someone call the Whaaaaaaaaaaaambulance, STAT! Yeah. Quite your whining, Doc. Get back in there and take care of all those freeloaders who think government funded healthcare is an undeniable, guaranteed right. It says so in the Constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #210 August 7, 2007 Quote Quote If not ...well, I really don't believe your comments about suffering and lack of compensation carry much weight. I'm not saying you don't work hard, nor am I saying you don't deserve all of these things and more ...just stop with the violin. Hey... let's put jenfly in charge of deciding what is important or valid or relevant. She really seems to have an uncanny knack for putting herself in other's shoes and empathizing with their situation. And so fair-minded. Let's make it official. "I'm jenfly. I'm the decider." We all decide for ourselves what is important, valid and/or relevant. Pretty much like you (apparently ) consider your response relevant to the issue being discussed. When you have recently finished medical training, have money to spend on skydiving, buy a new harley, new house, remodel and furnish the house, build a jacuzzi ...you've pretty much lost the right to complain about financial hardships. Now if you want to address that issue, please respond ...or you can just continue to, um, be you. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #211 August 7, 2007 Didn't you recently finish your internship ...and buy a new Harley and a magnificent new home, remodel and refurnished it ...and how bout that jacuzzi you posted about? If I'm wrong, I apologize. If not ...well, I really don't believe your comments about suffering and lack of compensation carry much weight. I'm not saying you don't work hard, nor am I saying you don't deserve all of these things and more ...just stop with the violin. HA! Funny you find a violin in there somewhere. None around here that I can see. My *magnificent* home here in south Arkansas cost me BIG.....ahem $120K. But I'm glad you find it magnificent. It's pretty awesome. I do work my ass off, and I enjoy most every minute of it. Having a nice home doesn't preclude me from having compassion and working hard to learn more and improve my skills as a physician. I do work hard, but not at fiddling. :) The point, at least for me, is that in becoming a physician you take on a responsibility that doesn't ever go away. It's an enormous responsibility. It's one that I think *most* of us understand and take to heart, though I can't truly know what drives another human being. I know what drives me. Your thoughts on me have been wrong since the first time you responded with so much venom to one of my posts. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #212 August 7, 2007 Quote Didn't you recently finish your internship ...and buy a new Harley and a magnificent new home, remodel and refurnished it ...and how bout that jacuzzi you posted about? If I'm wrong, I apologize. If not ...well, I really don't believe your comments about suffering and lack of compensation carry much weight. I'm not saying you don't work hard, nor am I saying you don't deserve all of these things and more ...just stop with the violin. HA! Funny you find a violin in there somewhere. None around here that I can see. My *magnificent* home here in south Arkansas cost me BIG.....ahem $120K. But I'm glad you find it magnificent. It's pretty awesome. I do work my ass off, and I enjoy most every minute of it. Having a nice home doesn't preclude me from having compassion and working hard to learn more and improve my skills as a physician. I do work hard, but not at fiddling. :) The point, at least for me, is that in becoming a physician you take on a responsibility that doesn't ever go away. It's an enormous responsibility. It's one that I think *most* of us understand and take to heart, though I can't truly know what drives another human being. I know what drives me. Your thoughts on me have been wrong since the first time you responded with so much venom to one of my posts. linz Cool, not everybody has a Dad willing to give such a killer deal on a house. My comments were not concerning your hard work, nor your compassion ...just the whining about financial hardship when you have more expensive toys and live better than the vast majority of Americans! My 'venom' would have directed toward anyone who right out of a basic internship, felt they were sufficiently competent to run an ER. My views (and the opinion of every doc I've asked since our discussion) have not changed on this. At any rate, glad life is good for you. Very few people right out of school are doing nearly as well.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #213 August 7, 2007 Cool, glad your Dad gave you a killer deal on the house. What's really cool is that he didn't give me a killer deal on the house. It's just the economic depression in this part of the country that makes good stuff cheap. And just for the record, the jacuzzi's a plan for the future....when I have the money to afford it. The Harley's sold, and I haven't made a skydive since February. AND I still haven't complained about financial hardships that I recall, because really I have none. :) Hell, I don't think I even complained about financial hardships back when I was a social worker. Coulda' got some mileage out of it then I bet....lol. But it's just not in me to whine about stupid shit like that. Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #214 August 7, 2007 Definitely one large glass of whine. No biggy though. Just like any other profession, doctors are spread along the spectrum in most behaviors. Some whine, some don't. Some are nice people, kind and considerate. Some are not. Some are pompous conceited asses. Some are humble and thoughtful. I don't find any profession to be populated solely by altruisitic angels of mercy - not even doctoring." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #215 August 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I told her that keeping a roof over my head was far more importanted than healthcare. You think we doctors have nothing better ...............................................................................Maybe I should go play golf ...for a change. I sure am tired of working my ass into the ground. Someone call the Whaaaaaaaaaaaambulance, STAT! Yeah. Quite your whining, Doc. Get back in there and take care of all those freeloaders who think government funded healthcare is an undeniable, guaranteed right. It says so in the Constitution. Lucky for you, there is plenty of room in the whaaaaaaaambulance. I missed the part where it says "to the highest bidder" in the Hippocratic Oath. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #216 August 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote I told her that keeping a roof over my head was far more importanted than healthcare. You think we doctors have nothing better ...............................................................................Maybe I should go play golf ...for a change. I sure am tired of working my ass into the ground. Someone call the Whaaaaaaaaaaaambulance, STAT! Yeah. Quite your whining, Doc. Get back in there and take care of all those freeloaders who think government funded healthcare is an undeniable, guaranteed right. It says so in the Constitution. Lucky for you, there is plenty of room in the whaaaaaaaambulance. I missed the part where it says "to the highest bidder" in the Hippocratic Oath. Still waiting for someone to show how the oil companies keep gas prices artificially high. Wasn't it you whining about that? Conspiracy theories - reality for the delusional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #217 August 7, 2007 QuoteDidn't you recently finish your internship ...and buy a new Harley and a magnificent new home, remodel and refurnished it ...and how bout that jacuzzi you posted about? If I'm wrong, I apologize. If not ...well, I really don't believe your comments about suffering and lack of compensation carry much weight. I'm not saying you don't work hard, nor am I saying you don't deserve all of these things and more ...just stop with the violin. I've got student loans. And $35k of overhead every month. All those things. My wife and I didn't buy a house because we couldn't afford it. Both of us were practicing attorneys sharing a one-bedroom apartment in the summer of 2003. We bought a house in June, 2005. A nice house. Because after the 2004 taxes hit us, we realized that we couldn't afford NOT to buy a house. Jen - I'm sure that Lindsey or DWAJG could put our net worths up against yours any day to see who comes out on top. But, we also know that in 10 or 20 years we'll be doing better. Plenty of us go into medicine or law to help the poor and the oppressed and the sick. I'd personally LOVE to provide low-cost legal aid. But when we've got bills of our own to pay, it makes it difficult to do that. Lindsey and DFWAJG and I don't deserve anything. We don't deserve the expensive cars and houses. We don't deserve a flashy lifestyle. We don't deserve any of that. But we also do not deserve to be treated scorn or derision because of our choices. We do NOT deserve to be labeled as cold or heartless or anything of that nature because we have bills to pay. We do not deserve any of that unless we have given good reason for people to believe we are misanthropes. We do not deserve kudos. We do not deserve derision. We are just trying to make a living. Maybe someday I'll have the time and money to get a private pilot's license. But that won't be any time soon. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #218 August 7, 2007 Quote Quote Didn't you recently finish your internship ...and buy a new Harley and a magnificent new home, remodel and refurnished it ...and how bout that jacuzzi you posted about? If I'm wrong, I apologize. If not ...well, I really don't believe your comments about suffering and lack of compensation carry much weight. I'm not saying you don't work hard, nor am I saying you don't deserve all of these things and more ...just stop with the violin. I've got student loans. And $35k of overhead every month. All those things. My wife and I didn't buy a house because we couldn't afford it. Both of us were practicing attorneys sharing a one-bedroom apartment in the summer of 2003. We bought a house in June, 2005. A nice house. Because after the 2004 taxes hit us, we realized that we couldn't afford NOT to buy a house. Jen - I'm sure that Lindsey or DWAJG could put our net worths up against yours any day to see who comes out on top. But, we also know that in 10 or 20 years we'll be doing better. Plenty of us go into medicine or law to help the poor and the oppressed and the sick. I'd personally LOVE to provide low-cost legal aid. But when we've got bills of our own to pay, it makes it difficult to do that. Lindsey and DFWAJG and I don't deserve anything. We don't deserve the expensive cars and houses. We don't deserve a flashy lifestyle. We don't deserve any of that. But we also do not deserve to be treated scorn or derision because of our choices. We do NOT deserve to be labeled as cold or heartless or anything of that nature because we have bills to pay. We do not deserve any of that unless we have given good reason for people to believe we are misanthropes. We do not deserve kudos. We do not deserve derision. We are just trying to make a living. Maybe someday I'll have the time and money to get a private pilot's license. But that won't be any time soon. Fine by me ...as long as you don't come here whining about financial hardships with a new Harley parked in the garage of your new, remodled house, while soaking in your jacuzzi. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #219 August 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I told her that keeping a roof over my head was far more importanted than healthcare. You think we doctors have nothing better ...............................................................................Maybe I should go play golf ...for a change. I sure am tired of working my ass into the ground. Someone call the Whaaaaaaaaaaaambulance, STAT! Yeah. Quite your whining, Doc. Get back in there and take care of all those freeloaders who think government funded healthcare is an undeniable, guaranteed right. It says so in the Constitution. Lucky for you, there is plenty of room in the whaaaaaaaambulance. I missed the part where it says "to the highest bidder" in the Hippocratic Oath. Still waiting for someone to show how the oil companies keep gas prices artificially high. Wasn't it you whining about that? Conspiracy theories - reality for the delusional. Changing the subject - strategy for ADD afflicted morons. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #220 August 7, 2007 Quote Changing the subject - strategy for ADD afflicted morons. Tsk, tsk Looks like I hit a nerve. Boo hoo It is funny to see those who bitch and whine for entitlements (that other people will pay for) accuse others of whining because those others are not giving enough. Translation: I want mine and you better work hard enough for me to get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #221 August 7, 2007 Damn. Next I was gonna whine about a little sunburn, but since I got it catching a few zzzzzs out by the pool at my magnificent home, I figure I'll leave that one alone. Then I thought I might whine about this friggin' meniscus tear that I just don't have time to screw with, but since my ortho buddy's gonna fix it free of charge when I can find the time, I suppose I won't whine about that either. I'm trying hard to find something to whine about, but it seems all the bad shit, I bring on myself or there's somebody ready to help me out of the jam. I guess life is just good. A charmed existence? I bet there are more than a few people (ahem) who might whine that things are better for some than we deserve....lol. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #222 August 7, 2007 No - you didn't hit a nerve. I was just hitting back at your stealthy PA with a jab of my own. Insinuating that I am delusional is what bothered me, not the strength of your argument. BTW, I don't want government health care. Soe people could use it, however. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #223 August 9, 2007 Here's what I have to show for 18 years of post high school education: House: 460 sq ft (no, it's not missing zero's. It's all I could afford) 1998 Ford Ranger Credit Cards $64,000 (to pay for overhead, student loans, food, gas, etc, while I was waiting 6 months for the insurance companies to pay me 33 cents on the dollar) Sallie mae $246,000 The only pool I'm floating in is my ses-pool, because I need a new one and despite it being emptied, still overflows. So what is it Jenfly00 that you do that makes you so entitled to get paid what you get paid. No, I wasn't whining. I'm just sick and tired of everyone else bitching about how ripped off they are by doctors because doctors charge soooo much. I'm sick and tired of others bitching about the cost of health care, when they don't care for themselves. I cringe everytime I hear "Well, I'd use the patch to quit smoking but insurance doesn't cover it." Of course insurance doesn't cover cigarettes either. But that doesn't stop the smoker from buying them. Would I want a government healthcare system? No, we already have one. It's called Medicare and Medicaid. And both suck for patients and for providers. If you don't want to pay for doctors, then don't charge for medical school, and don't work interns/residents longer than 40 hours per week (including call). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #224 August 9, 2007 In some countries people don't even have ses-pools. Lousy Americans are sooooooo spoiled. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #225 August 9, 2007 My comments were not concerning your hard work, nor your compassion ...just the whining about financial hardship when you have more expensive toys and live better than the vast majority of Americans! My 'venom' would have directed toward anyone who right out of a basic internship, felt they were sufficiently competent to run an ER. First of all, I haven't complained about financial hardships. I don't know where you're getting that. Second, Nobody's competent right out of internship to run an ER. It's scary as hell. But in these little critical access hospitals out in the boondocks, there's nobody else. Residents are the best they have access to. Having a licensed resident available is better than having no physician at all within 60 miles. I don't need YOUR venom to feel the weight of someone dying or having a bad outcome because in an critical emergency I just wasn't good enough. Had they been closer to a larger hospital with physicians with more training they probably would've done better. Your little snide comments don't even make a tiny dent in my feelings about that. But keep on...it's obviously your way. When recently-licensed residents cover small, rural ERs they're not taking the place of someone more qualified. We're the only ones willing to cover the shifts. It's not like highly-trained ER docs are beating down the doors to cover these little places. MOST people are thankful to have someone. There are SOME people who are gonna bitch about ya' no matter what you do (which is the type of responses I've come to expect from you). My aim is to be more helpful than harmful (which I completely believe that I am), and that the experience makes me a better physician over the years, which I think it's doing. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
