Rookie120 0 #76 July 31, 2007 QuoteI, most likely, will cancel my doctors appointment for Sept.. It is a choice between paying an outrageous dr. bill for very little treatment or maybe being able to eat a few days out of the month. How about stop jumping for a month instead of not being able to buy food?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #77 July 31, 2007 Quote have great healthcare, and therefore do not need government. Do I want the less fortunate to have basic coverage? Yes, I do. As a moral person, and a Christian, I think it is our duty to care for those who cannot take care of themselve. Do you want the govt. putting a gun to your head and demanding that you pay for it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #78 July 31, 2007 QuoteThe USA has an infant mortality rate comparable with Cuba's and other third world nations, and a life expectancy below that of many other nations. This reflects very poorly on the system as a whole and certainly makes a lie of any claim that our system is the best. How can that be with programs like Planned Parenthood? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #79 July 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteI, most likely, will cancel my doctors appointment for Sept.. It is a choice between paying an outrageous dr. bill for very little treatment or maybe being able to eat a few days out of the month. How about stop jumping for a month instead of not being able to buy food? I've done 2 jumps in the last two months. Those jumps came from selling t-shirts and was part of doing business. How about not assuming that I am jumping my ass off. Last year I did a whole nine jumps. Most were paid by someone else for freefly coaching."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squarecanopy 0 #80 July 31, 2007 I do NOT EVER want the US Government to manage my healthcare. Here is a recent personal example of why I say that. My youngest son has a congenital spinal stenosis condition. He had surgery to relieve this condition and the terrible pain it causes, 4 years ago. That situation took 2 weeks from identification of a spinal problem, to diagnosis, MRI, and surgery by one of the finest spinal surgeons in the entire country, if not the planet (my point being that a surgeon of that ability and world renown is readily available to a common person like me under our present healthcare system for a reasonable amount of money-surgeon's fee, about $2800.00). Fast forward to the present- My son is now a PFC in the Marine Corps stationed in Maryland, and just had back surgery again last Thursday to again relieve stenosis in the 2 vertebrae below the original surgery- except now, the time from diagnosis and MRI (by a civilian doctor when he was home on leave, that I paid for) to surgery by a Naval neurosurgeon at Bethesda took almost FOUR MONTHS!!!! The bureaucratic handringing and red tape was difficult to watch because I knew from previous experience that he was in a great deal of pain and the longer it took before the operation, the greater the chance of permanent nerve damage in his back. Not to mention that the Navy probably pissed away $10,000.00 trying to confirm the diagnosis and MRI by the civilian doctor in April, before ever getting to the expensive surgery part. Observing firsthand how badly our government F's up healthcare now for our military, I am not in favor of making it nationwide for all of us to suffer the same thing that just happened to my son. THOSE OF YOU IN FAVOR OF "HILLARYCARE", PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OR YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND LOOK LOGICALLY AT THE REALITY OF THE POOR HEALTHCARE IN ALL THE OTHER SO CALLED DEVELOPED COUNTRIES THAT HAVE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!!! A GREAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT POST HERE FROM THOSE COUNTRIES HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE SORRY SERVICE AND SUBSTANDARD CARE THAT IS THE NORM IN THEIR LAND. SINCE THEY HAVE NEVER HAD THE LEVEL OF CARE WE ENJOY, THEY DON'T MISS IT. READ ALL YOU CAN ON THE SUBJECT, EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS SITUATION, AND DON'T BE DUPED, VOTE AGAINST SOCIALIZED MEDICINE WHENEVER YOU HAVE THE CHANCE!!!!!! Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #81 July 31, 2007 QuoteHow about not assuming that I am jumping my ass off. Last year I did a whole nine jumps. Most were paid by someone else for freefly coaching. I didnt assume anything. It was just a suggestion. So since you cannot afford all the health care that you want you think I or should I say tax payers to cover your tab?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #82 July 31, 2007 QuoteQuality" is not defined just for the wealthy. There are tens of millions of Americans who receive sub-standard health care in comparison with what is available in Canada, Germany, Sweden etc. If someone intentionally destroys their life through the consumtion of any number of drugs, or obesity, why should they recieve top dollar in health care when they obviously care less about their own health? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #83 July 31, 2007 Quote I have severe heart burn and he sent me to a specialist. Take some Tums. Quote I go in with a broken toe but have to wait 10 hours because everybody on medicare with 5 snot nose kids are there with the sniffles. A broken toe????? WTF sounds like you were the one clogging up the ER. A broken toe can easily be taken care of by yourself. Hell, I've set my own broken arm and reset my own nose twice. I've had a few broken fingers that I've wrapped tight and have also broke a few toes. You run to the ER for a broken toe?????? And then you complain about a child that is sick??????? You have a selfserving set of priorities. You place something like a measely broken toe over the welfare of a child????? You complain about those who are in YOUR way as you say "Where I get pissed is at the ER which I have some great experience with.". Do you use the ER everytime you get a little boo-boo? The 10 hours you spent in the ER for something most kids shrug off would had been better spent soaking your toe in ice. If you hate the fact that sick children maybe in your precious way at the ER, stop going for such minor little things like a broken toe. Placing yourself before children is just fucking sad. Damn good thing those children are not on a sinking ship with you. ME, ME, ME first! All snot nose kids last!"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #84 July 31, 2007 Quote Quote If we're the worst, as he opines, why is anyone coming here for treatment at all? Why is the US responsible for most of the medical breakthroughs, since we suck so bad on the medical front? Try again. Do only the wealthy count as people in your philosophy? Is it miserable living in a country which you view so negatively? And don't tell me you don't. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #85 July 31, 2007 QuoteTake some Tums. That wont help the torn muscle. Thank god your not a doctor. QuoteWTF sounds like you were the one clogging up the ER. Yup, a broken bone and needing to know what was broke and I am the one clogging up the ER? QuoteA broken toe can easily be taken care of by yourself. Hell, I've set my own broken arm and reset my own nose twice. I've had a few broken fingers that I've wrapped tight and have also broke a few toes. Well arnt you just a self made Doogie Howser! Good for you. QuoteYou have a selfserving set of priorities. You place something like a measely broken toe over the welfare of a child????? When the kid has the sniffles, yeah! It's a fucking cold! But then again all I have to do is say it is for the childern then everybody who's against it is against "The poor children" Quote Do you use the ER everytime you get a little boo-boo? When I need stitches or a broken bone? Yes I go to the ER. After that I go see my Family Doctor. QuoteThe 10 hours you spent in the ER for something most kids shrug off would had been better spent soaking your toe in ice. Once again I am glad your not my doc. Ever heard of the blood supply maybe being cut off to that part of the foot with broken bones? Then what should have I done there Doogie? QuoteIf you hate the fact that sick children Here we go with the poor children card again! God it's alost as bad as people who pull the race card everytime they dont get what they want. QuotePlacing yourself before children is just fucking sad. Read above! QuoteDamn good thing those children are not on a sinking ship with you. ME, ME, ME first! All snot nose kids last! Again read above.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #86 July 31, 2007 QuoteSo since you cannot afford all the health care that you want you think I or should I say tax payers to cover your tab? I AM a taxpayer. I want MY money to help ME and OTHER Americans. Don't think for one fucking minujte that YOU are paying my fucking bill. Since I lost my insurance and then medicaid and medicare (I paid for those each month. They are not free) I have paid every fucking dime out of fucking pocket. I have recently paid off more than $3000.00 in med bills out of pocket and got fucking nothing for it. You can sit fucking right where the fuck you are and think just what the fuck you want. You didn't pay one goddamn dime of my fucking bill. You whine like a goddamn sissy about a little broken fucking toe and your heartburn and then bitch about children being in the same ER. You are the fucking problem. Broken toe???? Suck it up and be a fucking man. There have been many reasons why I should had gone to the ER. Body tempeture above 105, vomiting for days on end, flu that is persistent, infections that takes weeks to heal. I can go on. I have a legitmate reason to go but, I don't. You have know real idea at all what is legit. You sit there and complain about the sick hoping for care and yet for a broken fucking toe you run to the fucking ER. Fucking sad!"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #87 July 31, 2007 QuoteYou are the fucking problem. I'm the problem? I'm not the one saying other should help cover my doctor bills. Body tempeture above 105,Quote Take a ice bath, drink some orange juice. Be a fucking man! vomiting for days on end,Quote Drink some Pepto! Be a fucking man! Stop whinning about it! You sit there and complain about the sick hoping for care and yet for a broken fucking toe you run to the fucking ER.*** No I bitch about people who use the ER as there family Doc visit. Why do they do it? Probably because it they went to there family doc they would have to pay the tab instead of the govt picking up the bill when they run to the ER for a runny nose. But I forgot, I am the one who is a heartless bastard because all you have to say is "The poor Children" and everyone will go ahhhhh.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #88 July 31, 2007 QuoteI want MY money to help ME and OTHER Americans. It seems that your money doesn't help YOU, much less other Americans. It's ain't enought. Admit it - you want OTHER people's money to help YOU! We didn't pay one dime of your bill and you are bitter that it is up to you to make choices now. You made poor choices in your past, which you have admitted. Now the onuses of those choices rests upon you. In your position it sucks. In my opinion you knew the risks and still went all in. Now you are choosing between medical care and eating, which, like it or not, is a choice you made. By the way - it's been over four years since I jumped. My priorities meant that I can't afford to spend money on jumps. I gotta choose between jumps and utilities. Or paying for my two kids so you don't have to - nor does anybody else but my wife and me. You've had a lot more disposable income than me, apparently. QuoteSince I lost my insurance and then medicaid and medicare So the government has a history of denying you benefits you paid into and you'd still trust them? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #89 July 31, 2007 QuoteThat wont help the torn muscle. Thank god your not a doctor. Oh, boohoo, you torn a muscle. I'm so sorry, I'd send a get well soon card but, I don't give a damn when there are people who do have serious illnesses that do require immediate medical attention. A torn muscle is not one of them. QuoteWhen I need stitches or a broken bone? Yes I go to the ER. After that I go see my Family Doctor. Near all deep cuts that once required stitches can be patched with a butterfly. The last time I had stitches was to put my finger back on. Anything less gets a butterfly. Broken bone? Unless it is angular or sticking through the skin, I am wrapping it as that is all the doc is going to do. QuoteYup, a broken bone and needing to know what was broke and I am the one clogging up the ER? You said you broke a toe. You didn't know which one was broken????? WTF QuoteWhen the kid has the sniffles, yeah! It's a fucking cold! But then again all I have to do is say it is for the childern then everybody who's against it is against "The poor children" Oh, seeing that you have this unique ability to diagnose children while sitting in the ER, why not save the parents the time and just walk about dispensing your unique ability, Dr. House? Hell and YOU call ME Doogie Howser! QuoteHere we go with the poor children card again! God it's alost as bad as people who pull the race card everytime they dont get what they want. If you don't want to hear it, don't bring it up. I am not the one complaining about sick kids being in front of me. I'll go out of my way to help children. I dispise those who would complain about a sick child. What is your contribution for helping sick children. I've recently volunteered to pester the people on my road to give to the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. I have good reason to help. My brother died of Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma and a cousin died of Leukemia. A good friend and a great skydiver I know is also battling a blood cancer. This money will also support rsearch that can help him and many like him. If you were to fall ill to such types of cancer it will also benefit YOU. I'd rather help than complain. Maybe you would like to complain about these people using someone elses money to get treatment for their children. Or maybe you can use your unique ability and call it "sniffles". Sheesh, I'd hate to think that there are more who think like you but, unfortunately there are. I'd rather be a part of the solution and not a fucking whiner like yourself."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #90 July 31, 2007 QuoteI'd rather be a part of the solution Yeah, your solution is having evryone else pay for your tab. But hey you now have free health care so what do you care. So what if everynody is footin the bill for everyone else.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #91 July 31, 2007 QuoteI'm the problem? I'm not the one saying other should help cover my doctor bills. So, you pay every dime out of pocket? Or, are you using the same insurance that others are paying into. Does your employer pay for your insurance with you paying a small portion? Here we go... let's take away all healthcare for those who cannot afford it. Better to just let them all fucking die!!!! QuoteBody tempeture above 105, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take a ice bath, drink some orange juice. Be a fucking man! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- vomiting for days on end, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Drink some Pepto! Be a fucking man! Stop whinning about it! I stayed in bed. I did not run off to the ER to complain about a child being there and then go see a family doctor (how fucking nice that your family has a fucking doctor!) QuoteNo I bitch about people who use the ER as there family Doc visit. If you were to poll most of those you find in an ER you will find that very few have a family docor. You have a family doctor and YOU were there. WTF"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #92 July 31, 2007 QuoteI'm so sorry, I'd send a get well soon card but, I don't give a damn when there are people who do have serious illnesses that do require immediate medical attention. A torn muscle is not one of them. Not shit! Thats why I didnt complain when a old man came in on a stretcher with trouble breathing or someof the other serious things that was going on. I just mentioned the kids in front of me with the runny nose. What the hell do you need an ER for a runny nose that you couldnt get from your family Doc? QuoteNear all deep cuts that once required stitches can be patched with a butterfly. Hmmmm, I'll suggest that the next time I have to get some done. I'll let the Doc make that call. QuoteBroken bone? Unless it is angular WOW! You must have X-Ray vision. I will call you next time I break something. Save me the time and money. That why I went to the ER for my broken toe. I found out it was a broke toe and also found out about the small crack in the foot also. I guess I should have called you to get the verdict since your the one with the X-Ray vision. QuoteOh, seeing that you have this unique ability to diagnose children And seeing you have the awesome ability of an Orthopedic Doc. QuoteIf you don't want to hear it, don't bring it up. Ahh yes you did. To make your point on almost everything you keep saying the "Children". All you have to do is say "It's for the children" in your statement and anyone who goes against it is a heartless asshole.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #93 July 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'd rather be a part of the solution Yeah, your solution is having evryone else pay for your tab. But hey you now have free health care so what do you care. So what if everynody is footin the bill for everyone else. FREE FUCKING CARE!!! Who in the fuck is paying my bill but myself???? You would deny healthcare to children. Your claim that I am asking for free care is laughable. I'll say it... I hope to hear of you someday losing it all and to be extremely ill. Maybe then after you lose it all you just may understand a little thing called compassion. How dare you call me a freeloader when I have payed for near everything concerning my healthcare. You are not in any position to debate healthcare with me nor with anyother person in need of immediate care. You can cry all the fuck you want and bitch because YOU had to wait 10 fucking hours for a stupid little fucking broken toe. Well whoopiefucking doo, I've been waiting for 5 years to get my meds back. Sheesh, your fucking sad."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #94 July 31, 2007 So, you pay every dime out of pocket? Or, are you using the same insurance that others are paying into. Does your employer pay for your insurance with you paying a small portion? Quote I have insurance now through my mom when I was youger. The military which was a pain in the ass. I paid out of pocket for insurance when I worked for a company that didnt offer it and now my company offers health insurance as one of the benefits. If you were to poll most of those you find in an ER you will find that very few have a family docor. You have a family doctor and YOU were there. WTF *** Family doc's are not usually open at 8pm on friday.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #95 July 31, 2007 Quote FREE FUCKING CARE!!! Who in the fuck is paying my bill but myself???? Earlier in the thread you said Quote Since I lost my insurance and then medicaid and medicare Sounds like a lot of others were picking up the tab now your pissed you have to pay yourself. I feel for you. I went about 9 moths without insurance and got hurt snowboarding. It sucks man. It took me a couple years to pay off the bill but I got it done. But I made a choice to snowboard without insurance. I took a gamble and I lost. Iwould have loves to pay a $100 deductable instead of the whole bill. What was funny about that was I was joking with a friend about a week before it happened saying that I am probably going to mees myself up since I dont have insurance. Should have kept my mouth shut. Quote I hope to hear of you someday losing it all and to be extremely ill. HMMMMMM, thats to bad. I was hoping things would turn around for you in life and nothing but the best. Quote How dare you call me a freeloader I never called you a freeloader. I might have said asshole but not a freeloader. Quote when I have payed for near everything concerning my healthcare. *** You once had insurance, medicade and medicare but you still paid for nearly everything? Well whoopiefucking doo, I've been waiting for 5 years to get my meds back. *** Whats stopping you from getting them?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #96 July 31, 2007 So nice to be so well covered, whether by mothers insurance or your job, is it not? I had great insurance. I paid near $20.00 a week for it through work. When the job went to Mexico, I lost my insurance. I lost my meds. I've looked for other employment but, I am not in the best of health and fail every physical. This makes me somewhat unemployable. I do work a small business printing t-shirts and doing embroidery from my house to supplement the SSDI. I hope to be free of SSDI someday. Untill then I am at the mercy of a broken healthcare system. I want to see a major change in this system that I know could work providing that the right be are in place to oversee it. If large corporations can manage the flow of their programs then the U.S. should be able to do the same. A little lesson in Lean Manufacturing should be implemented to weed out the waste and find the systems that do work. It works for corporations it would work in the healthcare system. But, you are not in the same situation as others like myself so, you have no understanding of how it feels to be denied when your life is on the line. We pay into the system. The system should pay us back. What we pay in is the same as paying into an insurance plan. I gurantee that if you did not have insurance and you broke your neck and were paralyzed from the neck down you would be in line like the others without insurance looking for the help that you would need. Your life can change in a heartbeat and you could find yourself at the mercy of the system. I never once imagine that I would be in this shape."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #97 July 31, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Each year, more dollars are spent on bio-medical research in the US than in the rest of the World. If we implement a universal healthcare program, we can kiss a good chunk of those profit-driven research dollars good bye. Yes, it's just GREAT that the 44 million Americans with no health coverage are willing to go along so the drug company profits are maintained. All the major drug companies spend much less on R&D than they do on marketing and administration, and much less than they do on dividends to stockholders and compensation to execs. This whole business of sidestepping the obvious, main point... and going off on a tangent about an inferred minor point... 44 million American men, women and children do not have access to regular health care is a humerous, minor point to you?!?!?!?! WOW, that says a lot!----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #98 July 31, 2007 Quote I hope to be free of SSDI someday. Untill then I am at the mercy of a broken healthcare system. I dont think the system is broken my friend. But there is always room for lots of improvement. I think a lot of the problem is people who scam the system, lawsuits and a bunch of other things that stop it from going to that next level of quality. Quote If large corporations can manage the flow of their programs then the U.S. should be able to do the same. It works for corporations it would work in the healthcare system. Once again not if the govt is involved. I agree. The problem is the govt doesnt care what the costs are. They just tell you they need to raise taxes. They dont care about efficiently. Look at the FAA, TSA, FEMA just to start if you want to see how they waste money like its going out style. Quote A little lesson in Lean Manufacturing should be implemented to weed out the waste and find the systems that do work. Unfortunately nobody in congress seems to have taken that course. They see a problem and just keep dumping money into it and hope for the best. ***We pay into the system. The system should pay us back. *** Thats what I keep hoping when it come time for my social security but I'm not holding my breath. Look, we both agree things are fucked but this national health care bullshit these people running for president is not the answer. Whats the answer? I really dont know. That is way above my level of thinking.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #99 July 31, 2007 Quote Sounds like a lot of others were picking up the tab now your pissed you have to pay yourself. I feel for you. I went about 9 moths without insurance and got hurt snowboarding. It sucks man. It took me a couple years to pay off the bill but I got it done. But I made a choice to snowboard without insurance. I took a gamble and I lost. Iwould have loves to pay a $100 deductable instead of the whole bill. What was funny about that was I was joking with a friend about a week before it happened saying that I am probably going to mees myself up since I dont have insurance. Should have kept my mouth shut. Medicaid has a spend down. I paid more than $600.00 for the month that I had an appointment. If I could not afford the spend down, no doctor appointment. I put away money each month untill I had what was needed. Madicare cost me near $100.00 per month. I also had my out of pocket expense that Medicaid and Medicare did not cover. Not free. I really do not wish to hear of you getting sick but I do want you to think about what could happen if you were to suddenly lose it all. Just take a little bit of time and imagine where you may be if you were to suddenly find yourself in such a position. I never did as I always thought that I was far to healthy and strong to ever fall ill. But then I was much younger then and thought of myself as indestructable. I really do hope that others stay safe. It is the reason that I harp on about being careful and to learn more about AIDS. I wish that people would take a little bit of time and go see, firsthand, what those in a bad situation have to go through to live each day. I really wish that you would take that time and go talk to those who truely need help. To see the fear in their eyes about what is happening to them will give you a new perspective. To hear their story firsthand will make you realize that it could be you. Quote never called you a freeloader. I might have said asshole but not a freeloader. OK, you got me there Quote You once had insurance, medicade and medicare but you still paid for nearly everything? When I had insurance there was a fair amount of out of pocket expense that was managable. Insurance companies are funny about paying for what they deem to be "unproven" treatment even though the FDA fast track it into the system. The V.A. paid for some of the treatment but with the V.A. you are on sliding scale as I am sure that you are aware of. I never complianed about paying as I made near $50,000 a year in the factory. 12 hour days monday through friday and usually 8 or 10 on saturday. After the insurance was gone I was placed on COBRA untill it ran out. The V.A. stopped my meds shortly after. I was on medicaid untill the State of Missouri decided that it was no longer going to help people in need. They went as far as taking wheelchairs from paraplegics. They dumped near every AIDS patient. They cut funds from children with serious health problems. They refused medical care to ederly. Recently medicaid has been reinstated for most. I have yet to get my confirmation that I will be covered but was told by my caseworker that I will be. I went ahead and scheduled an appointment at the request of my caseworker. If I do not get the confirmation, I will have to cancel. The visit with all involved cost more than $3000.00. I paid that for the last visit two years ago out of pocket. To do the required number of visits for AIDS would run me more than $10,000 per year. If I were to be placed back on meds, without some sort of help I could not afford it. Meds cost well over $10,000 per month. It's outrgeous. Sorry if I get a bit emotional at times."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #100 July 31, 2007 Quote44 million American men, women and children do not have access to regular health care is a humerous, minor point to you?!?!?!?! Of those 44 million ho wmany do you think CHOOSE not to get health insurance? How many do you think decide NOT to pay the amount per month? You know, instead opting to spend it on something else? Ten years ago I was one of them. I would have cut into my beer fund. How foolish and stupid I was. For people to have kids and NOT insure them is, to me, evil. To deny taking kids to the doctor because they did not insure the kids is despicable. Would you agree? Or is it society's job to take care of them? "It takes a village?" If it IS society then look in the mirror and blame yourself. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
