warpedskydiver 0 #51 July 13, 2009 But then he would be offended at their right of free speech. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #52 July 13, 2009 In 1984 I witnessed some tosser say some really shitty things to just one trooper, he responded by telling the guy off. The pissant got offended and tried to push the trooper. hehehehe... I had to stop him before we got in trouble, a quick getaway is a tactical considerationPeople like that think they can gob off because nobody has ever stood up to them. Then the rude awakening occurs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #53 July 13, 2009 QuoteIt does make me think he is a teenage anarchist. I had exactly the same thought, actually. "I'm so young and rebellious...I'm so cool....yeah....death is so cool..."-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #54 July 13, 2009 His opinions remind me of dog shit on a shoe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #55 July 13, 2009 Quote I support his right to say whatever he wants to in the presence of a few Squaddies. Good point ... well made. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #56 July 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteIt does make me think he is a teenage anarchist. I had exactly the same thought, actually. "I'm so young and rebellious...I'm so cool....yeah....death is so cool..." That may be the most common thought of young prats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #57 July 13, 2009 If I thought he actually had any life experiance, was over 16 years old or was a Skydiver I'd raise the effort to be offended. As it is he just reinforces my view that his 'opinion' is insincere and expressed mearly to engender a outraged reaction. Luckily for him there are Soldiers who are prepared to die so that he can expouse his odorus views. Personally I suggest he takes a trip to Afghanistan and trys to embrace the Taliban and drug lords he so clearly admires. I look forward very much to seeing him on You Tube. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #58 July 13, 2009 QuoteAmen. The Uk has now lost 15 men since the start of the month. UK has now lost more soldiers in Afghanistan than it did in Iraq,... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #59 July 13, 2009 We hear a lot (rightly) about those who loose their lives in the service of our country but next to nothing about those who loose their arms limbs and health. Here is the news of their sacrifice the BBC ignores.. http://in.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idINB39649420090712?rpc=401& in one day alone 30 British casulties require hospital treatment.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #60 July 14, 2009 Quote Don't you have some homework to do or something? I get by ok in the education department but the fact you cannot even take on board the perspectives of others, a fairly simple and rational skill taught at a high school level, would indicate you would be a more likely candidate for homework. If foreign troops were in Ireland, and they have been, I did not and would not support them. I will leave you to consider whether or not you are a pathetic hypocrite or principled advocate of foreign occupation. Oh no wait... there is more... Quote If I thought he actually had any life experiance, was over 16 years old or was a Skydiver I'd raise the effort to be offended. As it is he just reinforces my view that his 'opinion' is insincere and expressed mearly to engender a outraged reaction. I am pretty sincere. I am glad when those who militarily occupy the lands of others, die. You don't seem to be able to get past your own, and more than likely nationalist and racist, attitudes and even understand the views of other people in the world. How could anyone say such a thing about brave young handsome white Irish men? Are the primary characteristics of Chinese soldiers in the West provinces 'brave' and 'young' when they open fire on minority groups? Were the Indonesian boys 'young' and 'brave' when they entered Timor 30+ years ago and culled half the population? No, those aren't the primary characteristics are they? Soldiers are only 'young' and 'brave' when they are YOUR soldiers. Quote Luckily for him there are Soldiers who are prepared to die so that he can expouse his odorus views. Personally I suggest he takes a trip to Afghanistan and trys to embrace the Taliban and drug lords he so clearly admires. I look forward very much to seeing him on You Tube. Luckily for me its not too often I encounter a moron who considers Western forces occupying rural parts of Central Asia somehow equating to the freedom of regular people. FYI seeing as you are such a bright spark - I don't admire the Taliban - but you, i.e. someone who fails to understand that people don't all think the same, probably can't understand anything beyond the 'with us or against us' mentality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #61 July 14, 2009 Quote Quote Am I reading you right? ... Are you saying that it's GOOD that we've lost brave young men? I fucking hope not!! Yes is is and he is glad they were killed. Welcome To Errico's screwed up world. Of course he will never tell people who he is so that they will never know what he really thinks of others. Foreign military occupiers can expect nothing else but a bullet and I'm glad when they get it. Be it British troops in Afghanistan or the Chinese in the USA during some dystopian future. The difference is I actually stand by my principles - I can't imagine you cheering on the Chinese when they start beaching in California with lofty rhetoric about democracy while their unmanned drones kill thousands. Quote I support his right to say whatever he wants to in the presence of a few Squaddies. Quote In 1984 I witnessed some tosser say some really shitty things to just one trooper, he responded by telling the guy off. The pissant got offended and tried to push the trooper. hehehehe... I had to stop him before we got in trouble, a quick getaway is a tactical considerationPeople like that think they can gob off because nobody has ever stood up to them. Then the rude awakening occurs. Dry your eyes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #62 July 14, 2009 Quote If foreign troops were in Ireland, and they have been, I did not and would not support them. I will leave you to consider whether or not you are a pathetic hypocrite or principled advocate of foreign occupation.. Northern Ireland is part of the UK so what foreign troops are you talking about? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #63 July 14, 2009 QuoteForeign military occupiers... In the final analysis, we are all foreigners (or not) depending on where you draw the borders. Are the chinese "foreign occupiers" in Tibet? What about Xinjian? Manchuria? Would national guardsmen from Connecticut be considered foreign occupiers if they were deployed to New Orleans?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #64 July 14, 2009 Quote...I encounter a moron... Please desist from making personal attacks on other posters.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelyubin 0 #65 July 14, 2009 Quote My son is serving in Afghanistan.. Funny thing is I trained Afghan officers in 1978-79 You probably were mistaken with dates? At this time preparation officer and sergeants of structure of the Afghani army (advisers) spent Soviet the instructor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #66 July 14, 2009 I notice you don't refute your tender age or the fact that you aren't a Skydiver. Never mind, let look at some of your other 'points' Quote If foreign troops were in Ireland, and they have been What foreign troops are you referring to? British Soldiers were in Ireland when it was part of Britain and Northern Ireland is British (not by force but by the democratic decision of the people who live there) so exactly what troops are you talking about? Quote You don't seem to be able to get past your own, and more than likely nationalist and racist, attitudes and even understand the views of other people in the world. How could anyone say such a thing about brave young handsome white Irish men? Nationalist... Clearly you don't even understand the meaning in the context of Irish politics. Racist Like most non white people you mean? White Irish Not even close Three strikes...Your outSince you could clearly benefit from some homework I'm going to set some for you. History lesson 1) Read some contemporary Irish history, discover what Nationalist means in the context of Irish politics. Geography 2) Learn the territories that make up the UK Social studies 3) Discover the likelihood of a non white person being a white supremacist. Philiosphy 4) read and discuss: 'There are many different kinds of objects that can reasonably be respected and many different reasons why they warrant respect; thus warranted responses can take different forms beyond attention, deference, and judgment. Some things are dangerous or powerful and respect of them can involve fear, awe, self-protection, or submission. Other things have authority over us and the respect they are due includes acknowledgement of their authority and perhaps obedience to their authoritative commands. Other forms of respect are modes of valuing, appreciating the object as having an objective worth or importance that is independent of, perhaps even at variance with, our antecedent desires or commitments. Thus, we can respect things we don't like or agree with, such as our enemies or someone else's opinion.' A lack of respect for a individual as a human displays a lack of humanity. The lack of respect for the dead shows no respect or understanding for the value of lifeWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #67 July 14, 2009 Not mistaken at all. I remember when I first encountered officers from the Afghan army. They dressed like soviet officers when in garrison. They were brought to Camp Mackall for training steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #68 July 14, 2009 Never mind that you were actually there Steve. That guys reality is one that comes from whatever he saw on TV. TV trumps real life Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammindave 0 #69 July 14, 2009 hey man, were just visiting. let's back up to WWII, what would you do different? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelyubin 0 #70 July 14, 2009 QuoteNot mistaken at all. I remember when I first encountered officers from the Afghan army. They dressed like soviet officers when in garrison. They were brought to Camp Mackall for training Very strange, the form of Afghan soldiers differed significantly from the Soviet. Interesting fact. At the level of ravitelstva, army, special services of the United States and Afghanistan does not cooperate. Troops in Afghanistan have been trained in the Soviet Union. It was only after entering Soviet war (December 1979) United States interested in this region. First American Taliban instructor (CIA) began to secretly train in Pakistan starting from 1981. These were the representatives (relatives), the royal family? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #71 July 14, 2009 I ETSed in Dec 1979, so I know it was either summer of '79 or '78. I asked one officer why they were here and I remember him saying they were preparing for a soviet invasion. Looks like they (and the SF) knew well before it happened. BTW, in USA "Special Services" hands out basketballs and tennis rackets in a gym. "Special Forces" are the Green Berets. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #72 July 14, 2009 Quote BTW, in USA "Special Services" hands out basketballs and tennis rackets in a gym. "Special Forces" are the Green Berets. You probably ought to cut the guy some slack on that--I know I can't express the difference in Russian, and I give him some credit for trying even though he's well out of his language.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #73 July 14, 2009 I know, I know. hence the steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelyubin 0 #74 July 14, 2009 Between the USSR and Afghanistan, there was an agreement on mutual assistance and cooperation (in military affairs). The inmate, even before the start of World War 2. The first part was introduced in Afghanistan back in 1977 (battalion VDV) for the protection of Bagram airfield. On an ongoing basis in Afghanistan was more than 500 Soviet military advisers. Amin and comes after his overthrow Karmal were Communists. They received military training in the USSR. For help to the American authorities (the military) not treated (fact). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #75 July 14, 2009 your english is much better than my russion, but i don't understand your point is unless you are saying I was wrong, but I know what I did ... steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
