Guest #1 July 24, 2007 Tres Kewl! Check out Page 3. That is an insanely high AOA on the launch! mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #2 July 24, 2007 Sweet picture . #3 is excellent (Great timing) Not sure if it's the AOA or climb angle (cant tell from a single still) but what a great photo. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #3 July 24, 2007 On second thought, maybe it was just a touch & go. Still wicked-looking, though. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick 0 #4 July 24, 2007 Not an aircraft expert but from what I understand a delta wing such as that on the Rafale is pretty inefficient at low speed and requires a high AOA, probably fairly normal. Nick Gravity- It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seedy 0 #5 July 24, 2007 Doesn't look like a touch and go because it appears that he has caught the cable. I intend to live forever -- so far, so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #6 July 24, 2007 The rafale is actually pretty damned good at relatively low speeds, per the design requirements. Computers and FBW are wonderful things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 July 24, 2007 You are correct, it is a fantasic photo.... very sharpe. the shutter speed must have been really fast. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #8 July 24, 2007 QuoteNot an aircraft expert but from what I understand a delta wing such as that on the Rafale is pretty inefficient at low speed and requires a high AOA, probably fairly normal. Not really inefficient. The L/D curve has a smaller slope, but the AOA at stall is higher. They get a lot of vortex lift at high AOA.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #9 July 24, 2007 Isn't it fun that despite our differences and disagreements, we can all groove out on something neat? mh . "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdiver 0 #10 July 24, 2007 awesome pics, but aoa doesnt look all that high its probably between 15 and 20 degreeslight travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #11 July 24, 2007 Quote Isn't it fun that despite our differences and disagreements, we can all groove out on something neat? mh . Indeed.. I have spent time at sea on both the Ike and the Carl Vinson. Watching carrier ops from the flight deck is just awesome.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #12 July 25, 2007 Quote Sweet picture . #3 is excellent (Great timing) Not sure if it's the AOA or climb angle (cant tell from a single still) but what a great photo. You sure its not just very carefully parked? The french are known for their drivingNever try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 July 25, 2007 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #14 July 25, 2007 I still suggestthat you can not tell the AOA accurately from a still photo... because you do not know the true direction of travel of the a/c.... you can see where the nose is pointing, but that's all. To work out the AOA you need to know about the air flow over the wings. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #15 July 25, 2007 QuoteI still suggestthat you can not tell the AOA accurately from a still photo... because you do not know the true direction of travel of the a/c.... you can see where the nose is pointing, but that's all. To work out the AOA you need to know about the air flow over the wings. But since the plane has essentially a zero climb rate at that point, and the airflow over the deck is parallel to it, the aoa should be the angle between the deck and plane shown in the pic, right? It does look like a pretty high aoa though. Maybe the canards have something to do with it. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #16 July 25, 2007 Quote Quote Maybe the canards have something to do with it. I agree. Dem are sum big canards.What's French for "Awesome!" ? mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #17 July 25, 2007 Quote Quote Isn't it fun that despite our differences and disagreements, we can all groove out on something neat? mh . Indeed.. I have spent time at sea on both the Ike and the Carl Vinson. Watching carrier ops from the flight deck is just awesome. CV rocks. Always has, always will. Naval aviators are the best pilots in the world.mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #18 July 25, 2007 Not too sure... I'll need to think about that a bit longer... Still a great picture tho' irrespective of aerodynamic augments....... he is just about used up all of the flight deck!! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #19 July 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteI still suggestthat you can not tell the AOA accurately from a still photo... because you do not know the true direction of travel of the a/c.... you can see where the nose is pointing, but that's all. To work out the AOA you need to know about the air flow over the wings. But since the plane has essentially a zero climb rate at that point, and the airflow over the deck is parallel to it, the aoa should be the angle between the deck and plane shown in the pic, right? . Correct.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdiver 0 #20 July 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteI still suggestthat you can not tell the AOA accurately from a still photo... because you do not know the true direction of travel of the a/c.... you can see where the nose is pointing, but that's all. To work out the AOA you need to know about the air flow over the wings. But since the plane has essentially a zero climb rate at that point, and the airflow over the deck is parallel to it, the aoa should be the angle between the deck and plane shown in the pic, right? It does look like a pretty high aoa though. Maybe the canards have something to do with it.the horizon in the back ground gives a pretty good refrence as to the aoa in my opinionlight travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
