Question for the gun guys/gals. (Non-political question)

[Darius11 12]

I was at the range this weekend to shoot my new toy. Glock 19 (used but in great shape).

I fired about 500 rounds in the past two days and I clean and lube it after every firing. (250 rounds each day)

On 4 occasions the gun miss-loaded, also the gun remains open when you run out of round. This is so you can slam another clip in and be read to go. It also did not remain open on 3 occasions as well.

Is this normal or should I return the gun and get a new one.

Not much experience with pistols, but in the 5000+ rounds I have fired from my AK it has miss-loaded only once.

I think it might have been my loading of the clip but trying to get what is considered normal for a pistol.

Thank you for your help.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Amazon 7]

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On 4 occasions the gun miss-loaded, also the gun remains open when you run out of round. This is so you can slam another clip in and be read to go

I have seen misloads or jams if the rounds were not the proper length.. or for some of the cheaper hollow points

See I get to play too.. neener neener..

[Darius11 12]

it is fun as heck

the target rounds are
9mm Lugar 115 Grain Full Metal Jacket


I have the really good hollow points in the other clip.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Amazon 7]

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I have the really good hollow points in the other clip

Dont forget to blow a few of them thru the gun too....to make sure they feed and fire properly...

It would be a bad thing to find out about probems with the loads...... when you REALLLY need them.

[Armour666 0]

Check for wear on the slide catch, Also inspect your mag’s is it happening with the same one? I would check the springs. If the springs are weak can cause feed problems and not put enough pressure on the slide catch when reaching empty. Also inspect the body of the mag for dents and are clean oiled and then wiped dry, ensure there are no friction points on the inside that could be impeding the feed tray.

SO this one time at band camp.....

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[JohnRich 4]

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On 4 occasions the gun miss-loaded

Were you using the cheap aluminum-case ammo? Brass feeds better than aluminum.

Was this round-nose ammo? That slides up the feed ramp better than hollow-points or wad-cutters which can have sharp edges on them that can hang up on something.

The magazines can be very finicky and cause a lot of problems. If the feed lips are bent, for example. Try different magazines.

If the ammo is not stacked perfectly inside the magazine, that can be problematic too. For example, you don't want the nose dragging on the front of the magazine. And you want the back ends all stacked up nicely, so that the rim of one won't catch in the groove of another.

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also the gun remains open when you run out of round. This is so you can slam another clip in and be read to go. It also did not remain open on 3 occasions as well.

That can be the magazine again. I don't know the particulars of Glocks, but on many handguns the magazine has a little protrusion on it that causes the slide to lock back after the last round is fired. If that is bent or worn, it can cause the slide to skip over it. Check the strength of the magazine spring too.

The first thing to try would just be a new factory magazine. There are a lot of cheap imitations out there that aren't made to the same exacting specifications.

[Darius11 12]

Yep fired 5 rounds of the expensive stuff. It was $23.99 for 20 rounds maybe I am just cheap.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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Were you using the cheap aluminum-case ammo?

This stuff
9mm Lugar 115 Grain Full Metal Jacket
Round nose

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If the ammo is not stacked perfectly inside the magazine, that can be problematic too. For example, you don't want the nose dragging on the front of the magazine. And you want the back ends all stacked up nicely, so that the rim of one won't catch in the groove of another.

I think this might be the issue more then any thing. I was rushing and not taking my time loading the mags.
I will take my time and load two mags properly and see if it still happens under rapid fire.

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That can be the magazine again. I don't know the particulars of Glocks, but on many handguns the magazine has a little protrusion on it that causes the slide to lock back after the last round is fired. If that is bent or worn, it can cause the slide to skip over it. Check the strength of the magazine spring too.

The first thing to try would just be a new factory magazine. There are a lot of cheap imitations out there that aren't made to the same exacting specifications.

All the mags are Glocks but they are used so I will check them tonight when I get home.

Thank you and everyone else for taking the time to respond.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Nightingale 0]

I had a misfeed problem with my .22. Turns out the mag had a weak spring. The store replaced the mag, no problems since. =)

[Darius11 12]

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Check for wear on the slide catch, Also inspect your mag’s is it happening with the same one?

Hmm that is a good question. I will mark them and see.
Thank you.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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On 4 occasions the gun miss-loaded, also the gun remains open when you run out of round.

This is so you can slam another clip in and be read to go. It also did not remain open on 3 occasions as well.

The most likely problem is the slide is not recoiling far enough for the next round to properly slide under the extractor claw or engage its lock when empty.

Two possible causes are ammunition with too light a charge and the operator limp-wristing the gun which allows the frame to move so the recoil spring can't be compressed between it and the slide. Weak commercial (not reloaded) ammo is unlikely. Operator error is common on reasonably powerful pistols (9mm qualifies compared to .25 ACP) built on light (Polymer definately qualifies) frames.

You need to hang on firmly enough that the recoil spring can compress instead of the frame moving. Don't anticipate the recoil and push down.

The problem is much less common on guns that have a lot of stationary mass relative to the recoil spring strength; the big hunk of steel takes a larger impulse to get it moving so it stays still enough without much help from the user. A Ruger .22 with a fixed 1" diameter steel bull barrel won't hiccup. The problem becomes more noticeable as the gun empties and looses weight.

You may also have weak magazine springs, especially if the problem shows up near the end of a magazine. Aftermarket floor plates which let you squeeze in an extra round or two may reduce reliability when not combined with a stronger spring.

Bent magazine lips cause feeding problems but shouldn't prevent proper slide-lock operation.

My polymer framed HK USP .40 stove-piped too often when I first got it, especially when shooting left-handed. Hanging on more firmly made it reliable.

[Clownburner 0]

A lot of cheaper ammo, particularly the eastern european brands (Wolf, Golden Bear) are prone to jams and misfires, usually because of inconsistent sizing and loading in manufacture. Around here, most of the ranges prohibit those brands for that reason.

It's not normal for a Glock to misfeed or jam; there may be an issue with the return spring or feed ramp. I'd have a qualified Glock gunsmith check it out.

My Glock and HK are less than 1 jam in 10,000 rounds at this point, and that's what I'd expect from those manufacturers.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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A lot of cheaper ammo, particularly the eastern european brands (Wolf, Golden Bear) are prone to jams and misfires, usually because of inconsistent sizing and loading in manufacture. Around here, most of the ranges prohibit those brands for that reason.

Is the real reason that these cheap rounds aren't brass and have to be picked out of the floor casings that they happily collect and sell?

[bch7773 0]

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A lot of cheaper ammo, particularly the eastern european brands (Wolf, Golden Bear) are prone to jams and misfires, usually because of inconsistent sizing and loading in manufacture. Around here, most of the ranges prohibit those brands for that reason.

Is the real reason that these cheap rounds aren't brass and have to be picked out of the floor casings that they happily collect and sell?

we have a winner!!!

why would the range care if you are having malfunctions in your gun because of cheap ammo? However, they do care about having to spend extra time to get brass salvage money.

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[Zipp0 1]

Not true in right weapon. My Makarov feeds any of the cheap/surplus ammo and has never, ever jammed or done anything it was not supposed to do.

I have used Wolf FMJ 109 gr,, Silver Bear 94 Gr HP, and Glasser Safety Slugs. No problems whatsoever.

Oh, and the accuracy is superb.

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[Amazon 7]

Also if you look down inside the casing you will see two small holes... Berdan primed stuff does not lend itself to reloading as easy as our Boxer primed stuff with the single large flash hole from the primer.

[JohnRich 4]

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why would the range care if you are having malfunctions in your gun because of cheap ammo?

It's not the malfunction, but rather the clearing of the malfunction. A lot of shooters don't have a clue what to do when a live round is jammed in the action. And then some very dangerous behavior can start to occur as they try to clear it...

It's then a good idea to go stand directly behind the shooter, so that in order to kill you, he's got to put the bullet through himself first.

[kbordson 8]

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The most likely problem is the slide is not recoiling far enough for the next round to properly slide under the extractor claw or engage its lock when empty.

Two possible causes are ammunition with too light a charge and the operator limp-wristing the gun which allows the frame to move so the recoil spring can't be compressed between it and the slide. Weak commercial (not reloaded) ammo is unlikely. Operator error is common on reasonably powerful pistols (9mm qualifies compared to .25 ACP) built on light (Polymer definately qualifies) frames.

You need to hang on firmly enough that the recoil spring can compress instead of the frame moving. Don't anticipate the recoil and push down.

The problem is much less common on guns that have a lot of stationary mass relative to the recoil spring strength; the big hunk of steel takes a larger impulse to get it moving so it stays still enough without much help from the user. A Ruger .22 with a fixed 1" diameter steel bull barrel won't hiccup. The problem becomes more noticeable as the gun empties and looses weight.

You may also have weak magazine springs, especially if the problem shows up near the end of a magazine. Aftermarket floor plates which let you squeeze in an extra round or two may reduce reliability when not combined with a stronger spring.

Bent magazine lips cause feeding problems but shouldn't prevent proper slide-lock operation.

My polymer framed HK USP .40 stove-piped too often when I first got it, especially when shooting left-handed. Hanging on more firmly made it reliable.

Agreed.

[warpedskydiver 0]

DO NOT EVER SHOOT RELOADS IN A GLOCK

having said that, I see no reason for it to have a FTF.

some ammunition is notorius for having failures.

when you have a FTF does it make a pop?
Is there a dent in the primer?

When it failed to hold open it may have been due to insufficient charge of powder in the loaded round.

What brand, and if possible, lot number?

[warpedskydiver 0]

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it is fun as heck

the target rounds are
9mm Lugar 115 Grain Full Metal Jacket


I have the really good hollow points in the other clip.

BTW it is a magazine, not a clip

[Armour666 0]

a few clips.

SO this one time at band camp.....

"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."

[mnealtx 0]

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A lot of cheaper ammo, particularly the eastern european brands (Wolf, Golden Bear) are prone to jams and misfires, usually because of inconsistent sizing and loading in manufacture. Around here, most of the ranges prohibit those brands for that reason.

Is the real reason that these cheap rounds aren't brass and have to be picked out of the floor casings that they happily collect and sell?

we have a winner!!!

why would the range care if you are having malfunctions in your gun because of cheap ammo? However, they do care about having to spend extra time to get brass salvage money.

Wolf ammo BLOWS.

The steel case is a LOT harder on feed ramps/chambers, and the lacquer coating gums up the chamber.

If you MUST use Wolf, make DAMN sure your weapon is spotlessly clean, and I *do* mean SPOTLESSLY. A FTF when you life is on the life could just ruin your whole day.

Mike
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[birdlike 0]

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I had a misfeed problem with my .22. Turns out the mag had a weak spring. The store replaced the mag, no problems since. =)

I assume you mean a .22 caliber, not a Glock 22...?

In my experience, .22 cal. is, it's fair to say, notorious for misfeeding. I had experience with a Beretta Bobcat .22 that I would simply never be willing to use defensively unless every other gun I had was somehow missing. (In other words, I would never opt for using it for CCW or home defense by choice.)

I have never had a problem with misfeeds in a Glock; the problem as described really does seem to me like a weak magazine spring issue. That would explain the misfeeds at the same time as it would explain the failure to achieve slide lock. The magazine follower (the plastic base that the first cartridge sits on) has to engage the slide stop lever. In order to do that, the lever must not be worn, and the magazine spring must push with enough force. Think about the fact that the mag spring's tension is least when the mag is empty, and that's when it's trying to do its slide-stop magic.

Try any other magazine(s) and see if the problem persists. Darius, did you attempt to narrow this down to one specific magazine?

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[Nightingale 0]

Yes. I meant .22 caliber. It's a ruger 22/45. Hadn't had a single misfeed until I switched magazines, then it was misfeeding every few rounds. The store replaced the magazine, and the problem hasn't shown up since. I wouldn't use it for self-defense unless I couldn't get to my shotgun, but my concern would be the small caliber, not a potential misfeed. I'm looking into getting my CCW and another weapon, but that'll have to wait a while.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Shotguns are nice for home protection if you live alone.

Use 00 buckshot or BBB

If there are others in your houshold you may want an AR15 with a red dot sight (eotech etc.)

With proper ammuntion, the penetration through walls is less that that of a 9mm.

I have never touched a firearm in my life, but I did stay in a holiday inn once.

I use all three you just never know what you may need.