kallend 2,182 #1 July 20, 2007 From AVWEB: ALOUETTE HELICOPTERS DECLARED ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS BY THE FAA (www.avweb.com/ When Joe Altizer's employer (Marpat Aviation of Logan, West Virginia) bought three French-built Alouette helicopters, they'd all been flying previously in the U.S. All three came certified in the standard category and with current airworthiness certificates. A couple of weeks ago, FAA inspectors, accompanied by state troopers, visited Altizer's hangar and grounded the helicopters, resulting in the layoff of two pilots and a very uncertain future for the company. The FAA says the absence of a piece of paperwork called a Certificate of Airworthiness for Export, which should have been with the aircraft when they were originally certified in the U.S., means they aren't eligible for that certification, and inspectors are tracking down all the Alouettes in the U.S. to possibly ground them as well. What's frustrating Altizer and other Alouette operators is the FAA doesn't seem to have a solution for a bureaucratic error of their own making and it's the current aircraft owners who are paying the price. We've contacted the FAA and expect a response from them shortly, but, in the meantime, AVweb's Russ Niles talked with Altizer about the unusual situation and the burden it's placing on unsuspecting Alouette owners.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 July 20, 2007 Credit goes to a friend.. "The FAA - We're not happy, until you're not happy" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itllclear 1 #3 July 20, 2007 Arguing with an FAA Inspector is like wrestiling with a pig in the mud. After an hour you realize the pig likes it."Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 July 20, 2007 QuoteThe FAA says the absence of a piece of paperwork called a Certificate of Airworthiness for Export, which should have been with the aircraft when they were originally certified in the U.S., means they aren't eligible for that certification... So you want the FAA to allow aircraft to fly that aren't certified as airworthy? This is just a bureaucratic paperwork snafu, and not an attempt by the Feds to be "against aviation". Now if that had been an unregistered machinegun, then the owner would be facing 10 years in prison, rather than just chasing down some paperwork. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 July 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe FAA says the absence of a piece of paperwork called a Certificate of Airworthiness for Export, which should have been with the aircraft when they were originally certified in the U.S., means they aren't eligible for that certification... So you want the FAA to allow aircraft to fly that aren't certified as airworthy? Now if that had been an unregistered machinegun, then the owner would be doing 10 years in prison. Uh, but they HAVE airworthiness certs right now so they have the paperwork. The FAA issues that paperwork and is now saying because we (the FAA) did not give you that first piece of paper the second peice of paper is no good? Im I understanding this correctly??"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 July 20, 2007 Yep. Typical FAA situation. They needed to have more paperwork so they create new forms to fill out. The FAA tried to ground all the Otters a few years ago since the paperwork to remove the doors on them wasn't exactly want they wanted in a field inspection even though the headquarters passed it off as fine years before.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 July 20, 2007 Quote Yep. Typical FAA situation. They needed to have more paperwork so they create new forms to fill out. The FAA tried to ground all the Otters a few years ago since the paperwork to remove the doors on them wasn't exactly want they wanted in a field inspection even though the headquarters passed it off as fine years before. Some Fed Depts have to find reasons to justify thier pay, even if they need to invent it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #8 July 20, 2007 Failing to have a Certificate of Airworthiness for Export is the fault of the FAA? How so? Seems the fault would lie with the exporter and importer. Whenever I shipped a truck overseas it was my responsibility to make sure all paperwork was in order, not the governments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites