NCclimber 0 #1 July 19, 2007 What do you think would happen in the Middle East if we just cut bait? I'm not talking about the impact on US soldiers and military spending. That's pretty much a no-brainer. What would happen in that region? What would the subsequent ripple effects be to the rest of the world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 July 19, 2007 LEAVE... and let THEM sort it out for themselves. Let THEM draw their countries boundaries. Let THEM police themselves Let THEM sell their oil to whoever can afford it...let the markets worldwide work. If THEY form a government that is a real threat to us.. then DESTROY them and let them start over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 894 #3 July 19, 2007 sounds oddly like all the reasons the government gave us for going there in the first place.. but hang on ... we're just starting with Pakistan and Iran.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #4 July 19, 2007 QuoteLEAVE... and let THEM sort it out for themselves. Let THEM draw their countries boundaries. Let THEM police themselves Let THEM sell their oil to whoever can afford it...let the markets worldwide work. If THEY form a government that is a real threat to us.. then DESTROY them and let them start over. So what you're saying is you don't give a shit. We get it. Now... how about answering the question(s). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 July 19, 2007 QuoteSo what you're saying is you don't give a shit. We get get it. I wouldnt have expected you to get it for even a heartbeat... I do give a shit... I am tired of seeing our young people sent into a maelstrom of hatred that has existed for well over a thousand years. I do give a shit about a bunch of fucking greedy NEO CONS getting rich off the suffering of THOUSANDS of American families. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 894 #6 July 19, 2007 would you have had the same views on WWII? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #7 July 19, 2007 QuoteLEAVE... and let THEM sort it out for themselves. Let THEM draw their countries boundaries. Let THEM police themselves Let THEM sell their oil to whoever can afford it...let the markets worldwide work. If THEY form a government that is a real threat to us.. then DESTROY them and let them start over. This hurts...but I agree with every word you said here. It sums up my philosophy from the outset. Shoot me now.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #8 July 19, 2007 Quotewould you have had the same views on WWII? Apparently you missed this bit: "If THEY form a government that is a real threat to us.. then DESTROY them and let them start over". Germany and Italy declared war on the US on December 11, 1941. Japan attacked the US on December 7, 1941. Please pay attention.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 July 19, 2007 Quotewould you have had the same views on WWII? Nope.. a And since my father was a Marine in the 1st Div... he got to go fight for our country in the Pacific against a terrible enemy that actually attacked us. I did 8 years during the last....... years long EXCELLENT adventure in Asia..1971 to Dec 0f 1979. We need to use our people wisely and only when needed.. not at the whim of a few fucknuggets who do not respect the lives of those who serve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #10 July 19, 2007 QuoteQuotewould you have had the same views on WWII? Apparently you missed this bit: "If THEY form a government that is a real threat to us.. then DESTROY them and let them start over". Germany and Italy declared war on the US on December 11, 1941. Japan attacked the US on December 7, 1941. Please pay attention. After you're done chastising others, perhaps you could address the questions of the OP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #11 July 19, 2007 WW2 was a completely different situation alltogether.. Apples & Oranges. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #12 July 19, 2007 QuoteWhat do you think would happen in the Middle East if we just cut bait? I'm not talking about the impact on US soldiers and military spending. That's pretty much a no-brainer. What would happen in that region? What would the subsequent ripple effects be to the rest of the world? Yeah, I got sucked in too. 1) The factions would descend into middle-age barbaric conflict and hundreds of thousands, maybe millions would die or be displaced. 2) The surrounding states would posture for control. I think Iran would win that one. 3) Gas would hit $6.00 within 3 months. Which, I think is a good thing. Market demand would force the hand of auto makers into going electric, hydrogen, something other than petroleum. Which would end up sending the middle east back to the 7thC. B.C. where they want to be anyway. I say suck it up and ride a bicycle for a bit until things settle down sans oil. Screw them. Just my $.02.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 July 19, 2007 <> A forum thread is a conversation and can take many directions during it's life )often more fun that way too). There are no rules to say that the OP needs to be addressed. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #14 July 19, 2007 Quote Quote Quote would you have had the same views on WWII? Apparently you missed this bit: "If THEY form a government that is a real threat to us.. then DESTROY them and let them start over". Germany and Italy declared war on the US on December 11, 1941. Japan attacked the US on December 7, 1941. Please pay attention. After you're done chastising others, perhaps you could address the questions of the OP. When did you become a moderator?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #15 July 19, 2007 Quote Quote Please pay attention. When did you become a moderator? Pot, kettle... mirror. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #16 July 19, 2007 The Middle East will remain destablised (a process enhanced by the last few years of Alliance action). The US will expect the UN to take over and clean up their mess and moan like fuck (as usual) about how crap they are. The troops will be redeployed to Afghanistan - where, if the truth be told , they should have been (if anywhere) anyway. Rich people will become richer and the poor will continue to get poorer. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #17 July 19, 2007 Quote What would happen in that region? What would the subsequent ripple effects be to the rest of the world? A shitload of Sunnis and Shiites would kill eachother. Kurdistan would be born, with Turkey maybe pushing the border a bit further south with a huge contingent of troops. Iraq would undergo the birthing process and pain a newly free nation, much as our own, must endure - civil war until one side wins. The world overall would not see much change, as the middle East is already in relative chaos. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #18 July 19, 2007 >What would happen in that region? Sectarian violence would increase dramatically. It would take a while for the civil war to burn itself out. Afterwards the government would be primarily Shi'a, with Sunnis either not caring and living with them or hanging out with warlords in the outer cities (much like Afghanistan is now.) There might be something of a coup, with a military warlord (aka Pakistan) taking over for a while. He would justify this by saying it's "just to restore stability." Iran and Syria would get a lot more involved in the politics of the area. Kurdistan would likely secede, although not right away. Overall, stability in the area would go down somewhat, and then recover once the war concluded. (Not that it's all that stable now.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 894 #19 July 19, 2007 but our government...the one you give explicit trust in...decided they were. are we not to back the decisions of our government when they involve our military??? you're a fickle bugger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #20 July 19, 2007 Quote<> A forum thread is a conversation and can take many directions during it's life )often more fun that way too). There are no rules to say that the OP needs to be addressed. I agree. When I started this I was hoping to start a new discussion, instead watching the usual suspects beat the same old dead horse. I intentionally referenced that dead horse, hoping people would leave it alone. Looks like the emotionalism is too strong to let it lie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #21 July 19, 2007 Quote but our government...the one you give explicit trust in...decided they were. are we not to back the decisions of our government when they involve our military??? you're a fickle bugger Our government lied. On the topic of "fickle", have you counted the number of times the rationale for going to war with Iraq has changed?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #22 July 19, 2007 If the thread is strong enough... it doesn't need baby sitting... if it's not then it doesn't matter any way (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 894 #23 July 19, 2007 no kidding! who voted for those people??? It therefore makes it doubly challenging and frustrating everytime they deliver new intel to us regarding the middle east. It's getting very difficult to find accurate and neutral information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #24 July 19, 2007 Here's an interesting piece: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/13/AR2007041301878.html QuoteWhile the toll in Iraq has been tremendous -- at least 75,000 civilians have been killed since the war began in March 2003, the Brookings Institution estimates -- this number could increase tenfold or more should all-out civil war emerge. Such a development would signal the death knell of the main Democratic foreign policy legacy of the 1990s: the principle of "no more Rwandas."... In 1998, President Bill Clinton apologized to the people of Rwanda for America's failure to help stem the killing that occurred on his watch. Should Iraq descend into all-out civil war, there will be far more to apologize for in the decades to come. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #25 July 19, 2007 <> Agh, the fog of war/politics.... that's how they want it. Believe nothing, then you wont be disappointed. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
