rehmwa 2 #51 July 19, 2007 Quotehire more instructors is another 'solution' founded in ignorance.........So, we have nursing schools, nationwide, with no positions available ......mega-experienced nurses in their 50's.........quite eager to teach, and long waiting lists for nursing school (instructors choked off due to lack of gov grants) Amazing, this incredible market, with great potential to make a ton of profit. And everyone crying and waiting for the government to step in and fix it. ok, let's wait for the gov to fix it. eventually. In the meantime, what about private schools taking advantage of this opportunity and accepting those willing to pay sufficient tuition to hire those instructors for what they are worth? How do we encourage that? Better question? If the opportunity is so amazingly present, WHY isn't it happening? What's keeping it from happening? Something has to be in place that is restricting this from happening? Fix that. or is a combination of socialism (go get grants) and free market (let those brave enough to open private nursing schools do it) also repugnant? Yes, it would be hard (edit: in the spirit of your style - I suspect that there are plenty of nurses in the their 50's that will work circles around you once you (eventually) graduate and don't appreciate your implication that they are worn out and not capable) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #52 July 19, 2007 QuoteI'm suggesting quite clearly (to anyone not simply interested in scoring debating points) that the free market is unlikely to work in situations like this. The Scientific American article gives a mathematical analysis of a situation where rational decision making actually leads to the worst possible outcome. My point, which was implied earlier, is this issue (especially in the context of that article) is irrelevant to the OP topic. It never was relevant. While some posters may have tried to make it an issue, that dog don't hunt. The article you mentioned is all very interesting, but it has nothing to do with state funded, higher education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #53 July 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm suggesting quite clearly (to anyone not simply interested in scoring debating points) that the free market is unlikely to work in situations like this. The Scientific American article gives a mathematical analysis of a situation where rational decision making actually leads to the worst possible outcome. My point, which was implied earlier, is this issue (especially in the context of that article) is irrelevant to the OP topic. It never was relevant. While some posters may have tried to make it an issue, that dog don't hunt. The article you mentioned is all very interesting, but it has nothing to do with state funded, higher education. So what? It has to do with decision making. You take a very NARROW view of things when it suits you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #54 July 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm suggesting quite clearly (to anyone not simply interested in scoring debating points) that the free market is unlikely to work in situations like this. The Scientific American article gives a mathematical analysis of a situation where rational decision making actually leads to the worst possible outcome. My point, which was implied earlier, is this issue (especially in the context of that article) is irrelevant to the OP topic. It never was relevant. While some posters may have tried to make it an issue, that dog don't hunt. The article you mentioned is all very interesting, but it has nothing to do with state funded, higher education. So what? It has to do with decision making. You take a very NARROW view of things when it suits you. Narrow view. I was just responding to your statement: "the free market is unlikely to work in situations like this." You seem so hard to track. On the one hand, you make a general claim (with a couple of conditions) about tax revenues not going up and then offer a NARROW fairyland scenario (none of which was mentioned in your initial claim) to justify it. Now you're claiming a point you made about "situations like this", was intended to be a general statement. You crack me up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #55 July 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm suggesting quite clearly (to anyone not simply interested in scoring debating points) that the free market is unlikely to work in situations like this. The Scientific American article gives a mathematical analysis of a situation where rational decision making actually leads to the worst possible outcome. My point, which was implied earlier, is this issue (especially in the context of that article) is irrelevant to the OP topic. It never was relevant. While some posters may have tried to make it an issue, that dog don't hunt. The article you mentioned is all very interesting, but it has nothing to do with state funded, higher education. So what? It has to do with decision making. You take a very NARROW view of things when it suits you. Narrow view. I was just responding to your statement: "the free market is unlikely to work in situations like this." You seem so hard to track. On the one hand, you make a general claim (with a couple of conditions) about tax revenues not going up and then offer a NARROW fairyland scenario (none of which was mentioned in your initial claim) to justify it. Now you're claiming a point you made about "situations like this", was intended to be a general statement. You crack me up. I'm sure others can see a connection between decision making and the role of government vs the private sector in making decisions about nursing schools, even if you can't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #56 July 19, 2007 QuoteI'm suggesting quite clearly (to anyone not simply interested in scoring debating points) that the free market is unlikely to work in situations like this. The Scientific American article gives a mathematical analysis of a situation where rational decision making actually leads to the worst possible outcome. This does seem to be a different situation. Early on, I talked about student demand setting the market, but if the issue is a lack of instructors as it appears to be for nursing, then it may fail as private schools are loathe to take a big risk on the upfront costs. Nursing salaries to start aren't high enough to justify paying private school tuition rates, so you have that concern as well with leaving it be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #57 July 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm suggesting quite clearly (to anyone not simply interested in scoring debating points) that the free market is unlikely to work in situations like this. The Scientific American article gives a mathematical analysis of a situation where rational decision making actually leads to the worst possible outcome. This does seem to be a different situation. Early on, I talked about student demand setting the market, but if the issue is a lack of instructors as it appears to be for nursing, then it may fail as private schools are loathe to take a big risk on the upfront costs. Nursing salaries to start aren't high enough to justify paying private school tuition rates, so you have that concern as well with leaving it be. Right. A decades long nursing shortage seems inconsistent with low salaries under rational free market theory.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
