Zipp0 1 #1 July 13, 2007 I saw this in the local news: http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/base/national-88/1184335785231540.xml&storylist=national He says the sex was consensual, she says she was too drunk, and then the other stuff about word bans in the trial. This is a huge double standard, isn't it? What happens if the guy and girl are BOTH wasted, or only the guy is drunk? I know I have woke up in the morning regretting the extra thick beer goggles that I put on the night before, but I sure as shit didn't go crying "rape!!!!" I accepted that drinking too much lead me to do some things(or women) I probably would not normally do. Should you ask your potential partner for a breathalizer before you go for it? Otherwise, how can you really be sure you are not about to become a rapist and then a registered sex offender for life? Can I go back and bring charges against those fatties that took advantage of me and my drinking back in college? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #2 July 13, 2007 There was a big trial like this in the uk a couple of years ago. I believe the ruling was that if the girl got herself drunk enough to agree to it, it is not rape. If the guy intentionally got the girl parylitic, then it can be. Or something to that effect.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #3 July 13, 2007 1) the woman should control her drinking 2) it depends on the circumstances, if she was physically unconscious or close and unable to consent and he had intercourse it's rape. 3) if he gave her additional alcohol she was unaware of he's on very thin ice, could be rape. 4) If she was totally smashed and made a regrettable decision even with severely diminished capacity it's tough shit and yes it's an amazing double standard WTF is the prosecutor thinking? Very odd case but it depends on shit we'll never learn in an article and stuff that's unprovable. A recent study found that 40% of rape accusations on American college campuses are false based on followup interviews and admissions by the victims. This is very much in line with a long history of similar studies over decades in different areas. We don't need to broaden the scope of this problem by adding this kind of category IMHO. At some point one would hope the scope for reasonable doubt and miscarriage should keep cases away from a jury, but we know that's not the case with American D.A.s, especially in politically charged cases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #4 July 13, 2007 QuoteI saw this in the local news: http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/base/national-88/1184335785231540.xml&storylist=national He says the sex was consensual, she says she was too drunk and that he knew it. Fixed it for you. I find it interesting that no one is talking about the muzzle being placed on the accuser. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #5 July 13, 2007 Quote Quote I saw this in the local news: http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/base/national-88/1184335785231540.xml&storylist=national He says the sex was consensual, she says she was too drunk and that he knew it. Fixed it for you. I find it interesting that no one is talking about the muzzle being placed on the accuser. If she was so drunk, how does she know that he knew? She was too drunk to consent to sex but sober enough to know that he should have know she was too drunk?Sounds like reasonable doubt isn't an issue here. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #6 July 13, 2007 There is a double standard and if you bring it up or mention anything you’re a sexiest woman-hating fuck. We have a double standard in are divorce courts, child molestation cases and accusations of rape. I have asked this question before? What should happen to a person who lies about rape? Like for example the woman in the Duke case. I believe if it were proven beyond a doubt that the accuser is lying they should serve the prison term of the accused would have. If you are not unknowingly drugged, threatened, or forced it is not rape. You decide to drink as an adult, you decide who and where you drink, and you decide to have sex then tough cookie cupcake it’s not rape. Edit to add I wonder if this girl knows how much she hurts woman who have actually been raped, also if I remember correctly rape is not about sex it is about power. So in a case like this where it was about sex there was no violence no threats, no drugs I wonder why she is bent on fucking someone’s life up.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #7 July 13, 2007 I'm guessing she was probably too drunk to put up much of a fight, but still able to protest. The point of my post was just to include a "minor" detail you excluded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #8 July 13, 2007 Quote I'm guessing she was probably too drunk to put up much of a fight, but still able to protest. Doesn't sound at all like that to me. Sounds to me like she is arguing that she was too drunk for her consent to actually mean anything - ie. "I said yes but didn't know what I was doing." Question is, did she get drunk on her own or did he intentionally get her wasted?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #9 July 13, 2007 Quote What should happen to a person who lies about rape? Like for example the woman in the Duke case. I believe if it were proven beyond a doubt that the accuser is lying they should serve the prison term of the accused would have. My thoughts exactly. I think for a man, a false accusation of rape carries a similar emotional and psychological trauma as actually being raped causes a woman. Even if found innocent it always hangs over them. I knew a woman a few years back who almost destroyed a good mans life and career by crying rape. All becasue she was too much of a coward to admit she'd cheated on her fiancee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #10 July 13, 2007 Quote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #11 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck Of course No means No. The issue here seems to be that some women say Yes and the next day think "If I was sober I would have said No to that dude. He was not that hot and my vag deserves some higher quality dick." Sorry, but that is not rape. And she probably didn't complain while raping the poor dudes wallet for free drinks at the bar...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #12 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. A woman who has sex whilst drunk and regrets it later should control her drinking because she is the one who is making bad decisions while drunk. If she does say no, then that is a whole different matter. BTW, I do think that a guy taking advantage of an extremely drunk chick is pretty fucking low, but not criminal.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #13 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck Of course No means No. The issue here seems to be that some women say Yes and the next day think "If I was sober I would have said No to that dude. He was not that hot and my vag deserves some higher quality dick." Sorry, but that is not rape. And she probably didn't complain while raping the poor dudes wallet for free drinks at the bar...... ___________________________________ Damned good point!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #14 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. A woman who has sex whilst drunk and regrets it later should control her drinking because she is the one who is making bad decisions while drunk. If she does say no, then that is a whole different matter. BTW, I do think that a guy taking advantage of an extremely drunk chick is pretty fucking low, but not criminal. ____________________________________ I don't think, I've seen very many 'good' decisions, while someone is drunk. Some more good points!!! You're sooo right about any jerk who takes advantage of a drunk woman. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #15 July 13, 2007 In all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #16 July 13, 2007 QuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #17 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? I do agree with you on the drugs. BTW, did anyone else hear about the 3 yr old that was allegedly (sp?) given x? People like that infuriate the living hell out of me.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #18 July 13, 2007 Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #19 July 13, 2007 Quote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #20 July 13, 2007 Quote Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck When it happens to a guy they just sneak off in the morning and then get laughed at by their friends for several months. Like the time my roommate hooked up with an older woman. Like waaaaaaay older. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #21 July 13, 2007 QuoteAt no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #22 July 13, 2007 Quote Quote At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? That was always our interpretation at the frat house.Seriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. The next day all the ladies thought I was so sweet for hooking up with the poor girl. I ended up getty TONS more poon through that little adventure..... So, I didn't complain about her taking advantage of me in my altered state. And to their credit, my buddies did try to get me away from her...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #23 July 13, 2007 QuoteAlso, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? If she's conscious, reasonably coherent and doesn't say no? There are a lot of people who can remain seemingly coherent and yet not remember what they did the next day. If a guy has sex with a chick in that situation do you think he should face a rape charge? Remember, we're not talking about 'complaining' - we're talking about potentially decades in prison and a lifetime labeled as a rapist.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #24 July 13, 2007 QuoteSeriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. Sorry. Never did the "moped" thing. But I do remember pushing things as far as I could. You know... she moves the hand away, so you give it a rest for a bit... try again a little later. Never had a girl too drunk to resist. Maybe I did, but I wasn't interested in going down that path. My point is I can see where that girl is coming from. It very well could be a case of regrettable sex. I don't know what happened. Some people in this thread seem to think they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #25 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". _____________________________________ Had you read what I wrote, I was asking a question. I was not necessarily referring to the original post. You read something into it that I wasn't saying. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Zipp0 1 #11 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck Of course No means No. The issue here seems to be that some women say Yes and the next day think "If I was sober I would have said No to that dude. He was not that hot and my vag deserves some higher quality dick." Sorry, but that is not rape. And she probably didn't complain while raping the poor dudes wallet for free drinks at the bar...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #12 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. A woman who has sex whilst drunk and regrets it later should control her drinking because she is the one who is making bad decisions while drunk. If she does say no, then that is a whole different matter. BTW, I do think that a guy taking advantage of an extremely drunk chick is pretty fucking low, but not criminal.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #13 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck Of course No means No. The issue here seems to be that some women say Yes and the next day think "If I was sober I would have said No to that dude. He was not that hot and my vag deserves some higher quality dick." Sorry, but that is not rape. And she probably didn't complain while raping the poor dudes wallet for free drinks at the bar...... ___________________________________ Damned good point!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #14 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. A woman who has sex whilst drunk and regrets it later should control her drinking because she is the one who is making bad decisions while drunk. If she does say no, then that is a whole different matter. BTW, I do think that a guy taking advantage of an extremely drunk chick is pretty fucking low, but not criminal. ____________________________________ I don't think, I've seen very many 'good' decisions, while someone is drunk. Some more good points!!! You're sooo right about any jerk who takes advantage of a drunk woman. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #15 July 13, 2007 In all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #16 July 13, 2007 QuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #17 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? I do agree with you on the drugs. BTW, did anyone else hear about the 3 yr old that was allegedly (sp?) given x? People like that infuriate the living hell out of me.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #18 July 13, 2007 Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #19 July 13, 2007 Quote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #20 July 13, 2007 Quote Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck When it happens to a guy they just sneak off in the morning and then get laughed at by their friends for several months. Like the time my roommate hooked up with an older woman. Like waaaaaaay older. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #21 July 13, 2007 QuoteAt no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #22 July 13, 2007 Quote Quote At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? That was always our interpretation at the frat house.Seriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. The next day all the ladies thought I was so sweet for hooking up with the poor girl. I ended up getty TONS more poon through that little adventure..... So, I didn't complain about her taking advantage of me in my altered state. And to their credit, my buddies did try to get me away from her...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #23 July 13, 2007 QuoteAlso, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? If she's conscious, reasonably coherent and doesn't say no? There are a lot of people who can remain seemingly coherent and yet not remember what they did the next day. If a guy has sex with a chick in that situation do you think he should face a rape charge? Remember, we're not talking about 'complaining' - we're talking about potentially decades in prison and a lifetime labeled as a rapist.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #24 July 13, 2007 QuoteSeriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. Sorry. Never did the "moped" thing. But I do remember pushing things as far as I could. You know... she moves the hand away, so you give it a rest for a bit... try again a little later. Never had a girl too drunk to resist. Maybe I did, but I wasn't interested in going down that path. My point is I can see where that girl is coming from. It very well could be a case of regrettable sex. I don't know what happened. Some people in this thread seem to think they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #25 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". _____________________________________ Had you read what I wrote, I was asking a question. I was not necessarily referring to the original post. 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jakee 1,571 #12 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. A woman who has sex whilst drunk and regrets it later should control her drinking because she is the one who is making bad decisions while drunk. If she does say no, then that is a whole different matter. BTW, I do think that a guy taking advantage of an extremely drunk chick is pretty fucking low, but not criminal.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #13 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck Of course No means No. The issue here seems to be that some women say Yes and the next day think "If I was sober I would have said No to that dude. He was not that hot and my vag deserves some higher quality dick." Sorry, but that is not rape. And she probably didn't complain while raping the poor dudes wallet for free drinks at the bar...... ___________________________________ Damned good point!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #14 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. A woman who has sex whilst drunk and regrets it later should control her drinking because she is the one who is making bad decisions while drunk. If she does say no, then that is a whole different matter. BTW, I do think that a guy taking advantage of an extremely drunk chick is pretty fucking low, but not criminal. ____________________________________ I don't think, I've seen very many 'good' decisions, while someone is drunk. Some more good points!!! You're sooo right about any jerk who takes advantage of a drunk woman. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #15 July 13, 2007 In all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #16 July 13, 2007 QuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #17 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? I do agree with you on the drugs. BTW, did anyone else hear about the 3 yr old that was allegedly (sp?) given x? People like that infuriate the living hell out of me.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #18 July 13, 2007 Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #19 July 13, 2007 Quote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #20 July 13, 2007 Quote Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck When it happens to a guy they just sneak off in the morning and then get laughed at by their friends for several months. Like the time my roommate hooked up with an older woman. Like waaaaaaay older. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #21 July 13, 2007 QuoteAt no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #22 July 13, 2007 Quote Quote At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? That was always our interpretation at the frat house.Seriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. The next day all the ladies thought I was so sweet for hooking up with the poor girl. I ended up getty TONS more poon through that little adventure..... So, I didn't complain about her taking advantage of me in my altered state. And to their credit, my buddies did try to get me away from her...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #23 July 13, 2007 QuoteAlso, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? If she's conscious, reasonably coherent and doesn't say no? There are a lot of people who can remain seemingly coherent and yet not remember what they did the next day. If a guy has sex with a chick in that situation do you think he should face a rape charge? Remember, we're not talking about 'complaining' - we're talking about potentially decades in prison and a lifetime labeled as a rapist.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #24 July 13, 2007 QuoteSeriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. Sorry. Never did the "moped" thing. But I do remember pushing things as far as I could. You know... she moves the hand away, so you give it a rest for a bit... try again a little later. Never had a girl too drunk to resist. Maybe I did, but I wasn't interested in going down that path. My point is I can see where that girl is coming from. It very well could be a case of regrettable sex. I don't know what happened. Some people in this thread seem to think they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #25 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". _____________________________________ Had you read what I wrote, I was asking a question. I was not necessarily referring to the original post. You read something into it that I wasn't saying. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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masterrig 1 #13 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck Of course No means No. The issue here seems to be that some women say Yes and the next day think "If I was sober I would have said No to that dude. He was not that hot and my vag deserves some higher quality dick." Sorry, but that is not rape. And she probably didn't complain while raping the poor dudes wallet for free drinks at the bar...... ___________________________________ Damned good point!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #14 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. A woman who has sex whilst drunk and regrets it later should control her drinking because she is the one who is making bad decisions while drunk. If she does say no, then that is a whole different matter. BTW, I do think that a guy taking advantage of an extremely drunk chick is pretty fucking low, but not criminal. ____________________________________ I don't think, I've seen very many 'good' decisions, while someone is drunk. Some more good points!!! You're sooo right about any jerk who takes advantage of a drunk woman. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #15 July 13, 2007 In all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #16 July 13, 2007 QuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #17 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? I do agree with you on the drugs. BTW, did anyone else hear about the 3 yr old that was allegedly (sp?) given x? People like that infuriate the living hell out of me.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #18 July 13, 2007 Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #19 July 13, 2007 Quote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #20 July 13, 2007 Quote Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck When it happens to a guy they just sneak off in the morning and then get laughed at by their friends for several months. Like the time my roommate hooked up with an older woman. Like waaaaaaay older. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #21 July 13, 2007 QuoteAt no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #22 July 13, 2007 Quote Quote At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? That was always our interpretation at the frat house.Seriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. The next day all the ladies thought I was so sweet for hooking up with the poor girl. I ended up getty TONS more poon through that little adventure..... So, I didn't complain about her taking advantage of me in my altered state. And to their credit, my buddies did try to get me away from her...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #23 July 13, 2007 QuoteAlso, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? If she's conscious, reasonably coherent and doesn't say no? There are a lot of people who can remain seemingly coherent and yet not remember what they did the next day. If a guy has sex with a chick in that situation do you think he should face a rape charge? Remember, we're not talking about 'complaining' - we're talking about potentially decades in prison and a lifetime labeled as a rapist.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #24 July 13, 2007 QuoteSeriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. Sorry. Never did the "moped" thing. But I do remember pushing things as far as I could. You know... she moves the hand away, so you give it a rest for a bit... try again a little later. Never had a girl too drunk to resist. Maybe I did, but I wasn't interested in going down that path. My point is I can see where that girl is coming from. It very well could be a case of regrettable sex. I don't know what happened. Some people in this thread seem to think they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #25 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". _____________________________________ Had you read what I wrote, I was asking a question. I was not necessarily referring to the original post. You read something into it that I wasn't saying. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
masterrig 1 #14 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote1) the woman should control her drinking _________________________________ I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. A woman who has sex whilst drunk and regrets it later should control her drinking because she is the one who is making bad decisions while drunk. If she does say no, then that is a whole different matter. BTW, I do think that a guy taking advantage of an extremely drunk chick is pretty fucking low, but not criminal. ____________________________________ I don't think, I've seen very many 'good' decisions, while someone is drunk. Some more good points!!! You're sooo right about any jerk who takes advantage of a drunk woman. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #15 July 13, 2007 In all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #16 July 13, 2007 QuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites millertime24 8 #17 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? I do agree with you on the drugs. BTW, did anyone else hear about the 3 yr old that was allegedly (sp?) given x? People like that infuriate the living hell out of me.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #18 July 13, 2007 Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #19 July 13, 2007 Quote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #20 July 13, 2007 Quote Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck When it happens to a guy they just sneak off in the morning and then get laughed at by their friends for several months. Like the time my roommate hooked up with an older woman. Like waaaaaaay older. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #21 July 13, 2007 QuoteAt no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #22 July 13, 2007 Quote Quote At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? That was always our interpretation at the frat house.Seriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. The next day all the ladies thought I was so sweet for hooking up with the poor girl. I ended up getty TONS more poon through that little adventure..... So, I didn't complain about her taking advantage of me in my altered state. And to their credit, my buddies did try to get me away from her...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #23 July 13, 2007 QuoteAlso, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? If she's conscious, reasonably coherent and doesn't say no? There are a lot of people who can remain seemingly coherent and yet not remember what they did the next day. If a guy has sex with a chick in that situation do you think he should face a rape charge? Remember, we're not talking about 'complaining' - we're talking about potentially decades in prison and a lifetime labeled as a rapist.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #24 July 13, 2007 QuoteSeriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. Sorry. Never did the "moped" thing. But I do remember pushing things as far as I could. You know... she moves the hand away, so you give it a rest for a bit... try again a little later. Never had a girl too drunk to resist. Maybe I did, but I wasn't interested in going down that path. My point is I can see where that girl is coming from. It very well could be a case of regrettable sex. I don't know what happened. Some people in this thread seem to think they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #25 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". _____________________________________ Had you read what I wrote, I was asking a question. I was not necessarily referring to the original post. 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millertime24 8 #15 July 13, 2007 In all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #16 July 13, 2007 QuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #17 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteIn all actuallity she got herself drunk. Was he buying the drinks? Maybe, but she's the one who made the decision to drink them. While this is a morally unnacceptable act in my book, he isn't really breaking the law. If he is drinking too, I think they are equally responsible. It's so completely different from a guy who 'slips her a mickey.' There was another news story in my local paper recently where a guy used Ambien as a date rape drug. He told the girl "Take this - it will make your teeth glow." And she took it, no shit. She was 17 or something, but damn, that is pretty dumb. The guy went to jail, thankfully. Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? I do agree with you on the drugs. BTW, did anyone else hear about the 3 yr old that was allegedly (sp?) given x? People like that infuriate the living hell out of me.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #18 July 13, 2007 Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #19 July 13, 2007 Quote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #20 July 13, 2007 Quote Well if they are, in fact, equally responsible then couldn't the guy also claim rape? _______________________________ I think, too often, men are looked upon as the aggressor. I think, his chances would be slim and none. Then too, if, the woman slipped him some ex or Viagra... Chuck When it happens to a guy they just sneak off in the morning and then get laughed at by their friends for several months. Like the time my roommate hooked up with an older woman. Like waaaaaaay older. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #21 July 13, 2007 QuoteAt no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #22 July 13, 2007 Quote Quote At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". How much of this was stated in the article? Also, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? That was always our interpretation at the frat house.Seriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. The next day all the ladies thought I was so sweet for hooking up with the poor girl. I ended up getty TONS more poon through that little adventure..... So, I didn't complain about her taking advantage of me in my altered state. And to their credit, my buddies did try to get me away from her...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #23 July 13, 2007 QuoteAlso, it seems that your saying that if a woman gets friendly with a guy (let's say kissing)... and she gets hammered, she really has no reason to complain if the guy takes her clothes off and screws her. Is that about right? If she's conscious, reasonably coherent and doesn't say no? There are a lot of people who can remain seemingly coherent and yet not remember what they did the next day. If a guy has sex with a chick in that situation do you think he should face a rape charge? Remember, we're not talking about 'complaining' - we're talking about potentially decades in prison and a lifetime labeled as a rapist.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #24 July 13, 2007 QuoteSeriously though, haven't you ever had a few too many and gone hoggin and regretted it in the morning? That happened to me in college at least once. I was rocked beyond belief and the girl was stone cold sober. Sorry. Never did the "moped" thing. But I do remember pushing things as far as I could. You know... she moves the hand away, so you give it a rest for a bit... try again a little later. Never had a girl too drunk to resist. Maybe I did, but I wasn't interested in going down that path. My point is I can see where that girl is coming from. It very well could be a case of regrettable sex. I don't know what happened. Some people in this thread seem to think they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #25 July 13, 2007 QuoteQuote I'm just curious... Why is it, the woman should control her drinking? It's a two way street. Is that to say that it's o.k. for the guy to load-up on 'booze courage' and have sex with the woman because she didn't control her drinking? If, at any point, the woman says NO... that means NO... drunk or sober. Chuck At no point does it say that the man was drunk or so drunk that he lost control of his will, quite the contrary. The man says it was consensual. The woman claims she was too drunk to consent and had regrettable sex, she also by implication asserts that the man was in control of his faculties, certainly she assumes he consented at the very least. If you've admittedly gotten yourself so drunk to be in this mess then damned right you should control your drinking, in this case the woman should control her drinking, nobody has information on the man to say either way, deal with it. We know she did not say NO, drunk or sober no means no, but since she's blaming the alcohol for her inability to consent the inference is that she did NOT say no. If she had said no she could just say "I said NO" rather than "I was drunk". _____________________________________ Had you read what I wrote, I was asking a question. I was not necessarily referring to the original post. You read something into it that I wasn't saying. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
