idrankwhat 0 #76 July 16, 2007 QuoteThe reason why he couldn't crush the flip flop this is because he never got AWAY from it - Kerry's position was whatever the poll de joure said... He could have crushed it, especially the "voted for it before....." gift that he gave his detractors. All he had to do was state, in fewer words than he's used to, that he voted for one form of the bill that contained a method to pay for the war and against the version of the bill that wanted borrow that money. He also might have been able to play on it by illustrating that changing your mind occasionally is a good idea, especially when all evidence indicates that you were wrong in the first place. Barging ahead when all indicators point that sanity is in the other direction is not the sign of a good leader, only a hard headed one like we have now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #77 July 16, 2007 QuoteThe reason why he couldn't crush the flip flop this is because he never got AWAY from it - Kerry's position was whatever the poll de joure said... That's not "flip-flopping", it's "pandering". Get it straight. It's not the same thing at all. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #78 July 16, 2007 Quote Quote The reason why he couldn't crush the flip flop this is because he never got AWAY from it - Kerry's position was whatever the poll de joure said... That's not "flip-flopping", it's "pandering". Get it straight. It's not the same thing at all. That's very true. And it's also very sad that you can't get elected unless you do it and that more people don't recognize it for what it is. As a side bar, I'd like to propose that we get a Congressman to slip a provision into a spending bill (it'll never get noticed that way). I propose that the US adopt China's method for dealing with government employees who are found to be corrupt and derelict in their duties Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #79 July 17, 2007 Quote That's very true. And it's also very sad that you can't get elected unless you do it and that more people don't recognize it for what it is. As a side bar, I'd like to propose that we get a Congressman to slip a provision into a spending bill (it'll never get noticed that way). I propose that the US adopt China's method for dealing with government employees who are found to be corrupt and derelict in their duties While that's ONE way to get a 'start over' in regards to Congress, it'd be sorta hard on the Congresscritters, don't ya think?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #80 July 17, 2007 Quote I propose that the US adopt China's method for dealing with government employees who are found to be corrupt and derelict in their duties Quote While that's ONE way to get a 'start over' in regards to Congress, it'd be sorta hard on the Congresscritters, don't ya think? I consider it "tough love". It would work out better in the long run for almost everybody. The Congresscritters would just have to show up, do their job of legislating, not waste their time and our money getting stroked by lobbyists, and go home. The lobbyists would probably get pissed off because they'd have a lot more trouble buying legislation, so hopefully they'd quit. Then, as a bonus, everything would get cheaper for the consumer because the large corporations wouldn't have to spend billions of dollars per year on bribes, I mean lobbying. What's not to love? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #81 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote I propose that the US adopt China's method for dealing with government employees who are found to be corrupt and derelict in their duties Quote While that's ONE way to get a 'start over' in regards to Congress, it'd be sorta hard on the Congresscritters, don't ya think? I consider it "tough love". It would work out better in the long run for almost everybody. The Congresscritters would just have to show up, do their job of legislating, not waste their time and our money getting stroked by lobbyists, and go home. The lobbyists would probably get pissed off because they'd have a lot more trouble buying legislation, so hopefully they'd quit. Then, as a bonus, everything would get cheaper for the consumer because the large corporations wouldn't have to spend billions of dollars per year on bribes, I mean lobbying. What's not to love? I'd start with all lawyers and work up from there.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #82 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote I consider it "tough love". It would work out better in the long run for almost everybody. The Congresscritters would just have to show up, do their job of legislating, not waste their time and our money getting stroked by lobbyists, and go home. The lobbyists would probably get pissed off because they'd have a lot more trouble buying legislation, so hopefully they'd quit. Then, as a bonus, everything would get cheaper for the consumer because the large corporations wouldn't have to spend billions of dollars per year on bribes, I mean lobbying. What's not to love? I'd start with all lawyers and work up from there. Can we keep our resident ones? I mean, we've got 'em all housebroken and stuff... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
