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If the conservatives had had their way, blacks would still be segregated, inter-racial marriage would still be illegal, women would not have the right to vote, and Chinese people would still be prevented from becoming naturalized citizens.

You might want to go back and read about the history of discrimination, starting with the Civil War.

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So, do you have a problem with the court making law?

Actually, I'd prefer congress make the laws and the SCOTUS interpret the constitution...and have Bush keep his nose out of it. You know, the way it's supposed to be.

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So, do you have a problem with the court making law?

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Actually, I'd prefer congress make the laws and the SCOTUS interpret the constitution...and have Bush keep his nose out of it. You know, the way it's supposed to be.

Its only a BAD court decision when its NOT some right wing wet dream that is being legislated from the bench.

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So, do you have a problem with the court making law?

Actually, I'd prefer congress make the laws and the SCOTUS interpret the constitution...and have Bush keep his nose out of it. You know, the way it's supposed to be.

Well, technically, the Executive Branch is tasked with enforcement.

quade -
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Actually, I'd prefer congress make the laws and the SCOTUS interpret the constitution...and have Bush keep his nose out of it. You know, the way it's supposed to be.

Its only a BAD court decision when its NOT some right wing wet dream that is being legislated from the bench.

Maybe for you.

Personally, I'm against all judicial activism. Even if I like certain rulings, I'd prefer the juiciary not to legislate at all.

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Personally, I'm against all judicial activism. Even if I like certain rulings, I'd prefer the juiciary not to legislate at all.

One man's "judicial activist" is another man's "fair interpreter".

The Legislative makes the law.
The Executive enforces the law.
The Judicial interprets the law.

Don't they teach this in school any more?

The Courts have always and will always (as long as the U.S. Constitution is in place) interpret the laws passed to see if they are in accordance with the U.S. Constitution. That's their job.

I think you really DO want it to be this way too. Maybe you don't like it when their views don't happen to support YOUR view of the world and you'll then call them "activist judges", but their job isn't to support YOUR view of the world, it's to support the U.S. Constitution.

quade -
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Personally, I'm against all judicial activism. Even if I like certain rulings, I'd prefer the juiciary not to legislate at all.

One man's "judicial activist" is another man's "fair interpreter".

The Legislative makes the law.
The Executive enforces the law.
The Judicial interprets the law.

Don't they teach this in school any more?

The Courts have always and will always (as long as the U.S. Constitution is in place) interpret the laws passed to see if they are in accordance with the U.S. Constitution. That's their job.

I think you really DO want it to be this way too. Maybe you don't like it when their views don't happen to support YOUR view of the world and you'll then call them "activist judges", but their job isn't to support YOUR view of the world, it's to support the U.S. Constitution.

Wow. You certainly did read a lot into that.

[Royd 0]

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The Courts have always and will always (as long as the U.S. Constitution is in place) interpret the laws passed to see if they are in accordance with the U.S. Constitution. That's their job.

I think you really DO want it to be this way too. Maybe you don't like it when their views don't happen to support YOUR view of the world and you'll then call them "activist judges", but their job isn't to support YOUR view of the world, it's to support the U.S. Constitution.

I was trying to bait Jennfly but she wouldn't take it.

By the standard laid out Roe vs. Wade is illegitimate law. You can't, on the one hand, embrace something because it sits well with you, and then scream about someone trampling on the Constitution just because you despise him.

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Actually, I'll let others fight those battles. I hate the man for continuing to wipe his ass with the Constitution.

So, do you have a problem with the court making law?

Hell yes! No court is supposed to make law!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyChimp 0]

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I am just curious.. Oh mighty right wingers... since you have a quaint label for anyone who does not agree with you...libs..dims...Bush Haters...etc ad nauseum....

What is the correct label for those who enjoy taking it up the ass from this administration on every last issue and enjoy it.

Your responses are consistant.... pretense, but consistant.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

[Keith 0]

W is going down in the annals of US history as our Biggest Embarrassment and we'll have the republicans to thank.

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

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W is going down in the annals of US history as our Biggest Embarrassment and we'll have the republicans to thank.

Please don't blame us. He has done numerous things that we don't stand for. He made those choices on his own to step away from our party's belief.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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W is going down in the annals of US history as our Biggest Embarrassment and we'll have the republicans to thank.

Please don't blame us. He has done numerous things that we don't stand for. He made those choices on his own to step away from our party's belief.

Don't blame me, I only voted for him? Take responsibility for your vote.

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

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The Courts have always and will always (as long as the U.S. Constitution is in place) interpret the laws passed to see if they are in accordance with the U.S. Constitution. That's their job.

I think you really DO want it to be this way too. Maybe you don't like it when their views don't happen to support YOUR view of the world and you'll then call them "activist judges", but their job isn't to support YOUR view of the world, it's to support the U.S. Constitution.

I was trying to bait Jennfly but she wouldn't take it.

By the standard laid out Roe vs. Wade is illegitimate law. You can't, on the one hand, embrace something because it sits well with you, and then scream about someone trampling on the Constitution just because you despise him.

The SC, interpreting the law and Dubya saying "fuck you" to the American people ...are the same thing?!?!?!?

You 'patriots' are destroying America.

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Actually, I'll let others fight those battles. I hate the man for continuing to wipe his ass with the Constitution.

So, do you have a problem with the court making law?

Ok folks, keep those shiney objects under cover. Royd is trying formulate words here.

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[tbrown 26]

Is it even lawful to criticize the Dear Leader ?

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[shropshire 0]

Why wouldn't it be? He works for you, not the other way around... It's about time that all of our politicians were reeminded of this fact, instead of feeding their egos.

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Why wouldn't it be? He works for you, not the other way around... It's about time that all of our politicians were reeminded of this fact, instead of feeding their egos.

No, you have that wrong. It's "George Bush's America" and that's all there is to it. His eight years will no doubt be referred to in history as "the Bush Monarchy."
There are so many lost souls that need a king, no matter how corrupted, to do their thinking for them, telling them what to do, whilst taking everything he can from them.
Don't think for one second that Bush works for us. He'd shrub off an impeachment so fast it would make your head spin. And probably turn the military of the US against it's own citizens as he did it.

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That's a truely sad reflection of the world that we live in.....

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Why wouldn't it be? He works for you, not the other way around... It's about time that all of our politicians were reeminded of this fact, instead of feeding their egos.

No, you have that wrong. It's "George Bush's America" and that's all there is to it. His eight years will no doubt be referred to in history as "the Bush Monarchy."
There are so many lost souls that need a king, no matter how corrupted, to do their thinking for them, telling them what to do, whilst taking everything he can from them.
Don't think for one second that Bush works for us. He'd shrub off an impeachment so fast it would make your head spin. And probably turn the military of the US against it's own citizens as he did it.

This might be funny if you didn't seem dead serious.

Do many people really view the current administration and those who elected Bush in such outrageous terms?

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Why wouldn't it be? He works for you, not the other way around... It's about time that all of our politicians were reeminded of this fact, instead of feeding their egos.

No, you have that wrong. It's "George Bush's America" and that's all there is to it. His eight years will no doubt be referred to in history as "the Bush Monarchy."
There are so many lost souls that need a king, no matter how corrupted, to do their thinking for them, telling them what to do, whilst taking everything he can from them.
Don't think for one second that Bush works for us. He'd shrub off an impeachment so fast it would make your head spin. And probably turn the military of the US against it's own citizens as he did it.

This might be funny if you didn't seem dead serious.

Do many people really view the current administration and those who elected Bush in such outrageous terms?

I'd say it was slightly overstated, and I'd only offer a couple of exceptions. I'm not sure that he'd be able to use the military to protect his royal backside. He's already misused the military. And he's so unpopular that I don't think they'd let it happen again very easily, especially on a home front. Also, I think that the majority of Bush voters were/are simply poorly informed. The Bushies dedicated a lot of time to that end. Keep 'em fat, dumb, happy and afraid and you can get 'em to do all sorts of tricks.
I saw a great bumper sticker over the weekend.
"Ignore your rights and they'll go away".

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I'd say it was slightly overstated, and I'd only offer a couple of exceptions. I'm not sure that he'd be able to use the military to protect his royal backside.

Yet several posters bring up the whole militiary takeover/martial law nonsense on a regular basis.

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Also, I think that the majority of Bush voters were/are simply poorly informed. The Bushies dedicated a lot of time to that end. Keep 'em fat, dumb, happy and afraid and you can get 'em to do all sorts of tricks.

Well, it was either that or the fact that the Dems did an exceptionally crappy job of challenging him on '04. I kept waiting for Kerry to make the race about serious topics (other than terrorism) and take the high ground. Instead, I saw him consistently sniping about this petty issue or that petty issue... or trying to be hip with is snowboarding and windsurfing and carrying his water bottle and wearing his yellow bracklet.

To say that Bush got elected because the voters were stupid, implies that Kerry had a better, more compelling message that the voters missed. That's just not the case.

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Yet several posters bring up the whole militiary takeover/martial law nonsense on a regular basis.

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Yeah, well read your history. Hitler allegedly couldn't bring the military to bear either.

The US Government works on a system of checks and balances. Or at least it's supposed to. Those checks and balances have been deteriorating ever since Nixon was in office, and 9/11 gave Bush every excuse he needed to eradicate what is left. There are very few checks and balances anymore. So no, I don't discount that Bush could bring military power to bear over US citizens. He did it in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, what's to prevent him from doing it again with a different intent? After all, it's for our own "protection," right?
One in four Americans are "satisfied" with Bush. Of the remaining three, one is fearful and the remainder merely disgusted with Bush.
This administration will be remembered throughout world history as the most criminal, greedy, power-hungry, manipulative, spin-meistered administration in the US. And we're all the more stupid for allowing it while our sheep of Congresspeople and Senators bray on and wring their hands rather than actually accomplishing anything. Libs, neo-cons...they're equally bad.

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Well, it was either that or the fact that the Dems did an exceptionally crappy job of challenging him on '04. I kept waiting for Kerry to make the race about serious topics (other than terrorism) and take the high ground. Instead, I saw him consistently sniping about this petty issue or that petty issue... or trying to be hip with is snowboarding and windsurfing and carrying his water bottle and wearing his yellow bracklet.

To say that Bush got elected because the voters were stupid, implies that Kerry had a better, more compelling message that the voters missed. That's just not the case.

I won't deny that Kerry did a lousy job on a few issues like being able to speak concisely when it was demanded. Why he couldn't crush the "flip flopper" thing is beyond me. But Bush won because of the misinformation campaign with regard to Iraq and the "war on terror", the partisan factor where "my team has to win regardless of who the candidate is", and the fact that when the right runs a baseless, jingoist smear campaign that they're better at it. Neither side presented a good "vote for me" argument, as usual.
It also doesn't help that our voter turnout is poorer than probably any other "democratic" country in the world, including Iraq.

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The reason why he couldn't crush the flip flop this is because he never got AWAY from it - Kerry's position was whatever the poll de joure said...

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