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Because he did not dohas not YET been found guilty of anything illeagal?



So, we can't let the system run for him huh? I thought the system, that you defend so hard for Libby, says he is inocent until found guilty and hell man, he hasn't even been charged?

So which is it ? Should the system be allowed to run or not? Hhhhmmmmmm?


Just correcting your logic, mate. (1) We don't know if he's done anything illegal or not. Which is why you support fishing trips like what happened to Libby and was tried on Rush Limbaugh!! (by the way, a court found that Florida could not do that to Rush so since it went through the system are you OK with that??)(2) He can be dismissed without having been found guilty by a court.Sure, but what does that have to do with the context of this thread? (Oh, I remember, you like misdirection and misleading off topic posts) A "Caesar's wife" kind of thing.


If I remember right all are inocent in this country until proven otherwise.

But, I know for you it is how serious the charge is because that is what turns your crank:D

So, why is he still in office? Cause he aint even been charged let along proven guilty of anything:D:D Dam the hypocrisy here (not to mention the irony) is amazing:D:D
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So, why is he still in office? Cause he aint even been charged let along proven guilty of anything Dam the hypocrisy here (not to mention the irony) is amazing

Neither was Janet Reno. So I guess you're OK with that, too, right? :)

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So, why is he still in office? Cause he aint even been charged let along proven guilty of anything:D:D Dam the hypocrisy here (not to mention the irony) is amazing:D:D



Is lying to Congress illegal? It seems he's done that.
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So, why is he still in office? Cause he aint even been charged let along proven guilty of anything Dam the hypocrisy here (not to mention the irony) is amazing

Neither was Janet Reno. So I guess you're OK with that, too, right? :)

Wendy W.


Now you're talking about politics.

Most of people screaming Gonzalez's ouster seem intent on trying to make this about something much more serious than partisanship.

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So, why is he still in office? Cause he aint even been charged let along proven guilty of anything:D:D Dam the hypocrisy here (not to mention the irony) is amazing:D:D



Is lying to Congress illegal? It seems he's done that.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D I love this one:D
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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So, why is he still in office? Cause he aint even been charged let along proven guilty of anything:D:D Dam the hypocrisy here (not to mention the irony) is amazing:D:D



Is lying to Congress illegal? It seems he's done that.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D I love this one:D


I'm unclear why you think it funny when the AG lies to Congress.

By John Solomon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 10, 2007; A01

As he sought to renew the USA Patriot Act two years ago, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales assured lawmakers that the FBI had not abused its potent new terrorism-fighting powers. "There has not been one verified case of civil liberties abuse," Gonzales told senators on April 27, 2005.

Six days earlier, the FBI sent Gonzales a copy of a report that said its agents had obtained personal information that they were not entitled to have.
It was one of at least half a dozen reports of legal or procedural violations that Gonzales received in the three months before he made his statement to the Senate intelligence committee, according to internal FBI documents released under the Freedom of Information Act.

The acts recounted in the FBI reports included unauthorized surveillance, an illegal property search and a case in which an Internet firm improperly turned over a compact disc with data that the FBI was not entitled to collect, the documents show. Gonzales was copied on each report that said administrative rules or laws protecting civil liberties and privacy had been violated.

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So, why is he still in office? Cause he aint even been charged let along proven guilty of anything Dam the hypocrisy here (not to mention the irony) is amazing

Neither was Janet Reno. So I guess you're OK with that, too, right? :)

Wendy W.


Now you're talking about politics.

Most of people screaming Gonzalez's ouster seem intent on trying to make this about something much more serious than partisanship.


Maybe it's because people don't like a dishonest AG.

www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/17459/1/TDS-Gonzo-Comey.wmv/ From his own mouth.:D:D:D
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?



I'm still waiting to find out what it is, exactly he did wrong.

All I'm hearing is that he may, or may not have consulted with the President, who dismissed several AGs. ....and...
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
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'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?



I'm still waiting to find out what it is, exactly he did wrong.

All I'm hearing is that he may, or may not have consulted with the President, who dismissed several AGs. ....and...



I'm trying to figure that one out, myself...especially seeing as how, in '93, Clinton/Reno fired 93 of them...
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?



I'm still waiting to find out what it is, exactly he did wrong.

All I'm hearing is that he may, or may not have consulted with the President, who dismissed several AGs. ....and...


It is starting to get to them. How many investigation, acusations and charges have we seen? And they can't get a big one yet.[:/]
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So I see how you guys REALLLY see morality ... and all that crap you lay at Clintons feet about lieing... but you are just peachy keen when Gonzales does it.. even some of his subordinates grew a set of balls and told the truth...

Party of Morality.. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT..

Good to know you fully support liars..

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So I see how you guys REALLLY see morality ... and all that crap you lay at Clintons feet about lieing... but you are just peachy keen when Gonzales does it.. even some of his subordinates grew a set of balls and told the truth...

Party of Morality.. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT..

Good to know you fully support liars..

:D
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?



I'm still waiting to find out what it is, exactly he did wrong.



Lying to Congress is OK with you? The evidence for that is overwhelming.
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?



I'm still waiting to find out what it is, exactly he did wrong.



Lying to Congress is OK with you? The evidence for that is overwhelming.



Okay, that's probably one of the rare instances where you gave me a straight answer. If that is what happened, why is the press not making an issue with it? In fact, why aren't members of Congress at their usual shrill level about it? Seriously, even Katie Couric isn't talking about this. I think there could be a piece missing from your assessment.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Because he did not do anything illeagal?



I'm still waiting to find out what it is, exactly he did wrong.



Lying to Congress is OK with you? The evidence for that is overwhelming.



Okay, that's probably one of the rare instances where you gave me a straight answer. If that is what happened, why is the press not making an issue with it? In fact, why aren't members of Congress at their usual shrill level about it? Seriously, even Katie Couric isn't talking about this. I think there could be a piece missing from your assessment.



to avoid repetition:
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2881993#2881993

And then there are his completely contradictory statements about the role of Deputy AG McNulty in the firings of the US attorneys.
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?



I'm still waiting to find out what it is, exactly he did wrong.



Lying to Congress is OK with you? The evidence for that is overwhelming.



Okay, that's probably one of the rare instances where you gave me a straight answer. If that is what happened, why is the press not making an issue with it? In fact, why aren't members of Congress at their usual shrill level about it? Seriously, even Katie Couric isn't talking about this. I think there could be a piece missing from your assessment.



to avoid repetition:
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2881993#2881993

And then there are his completely contradictory statements about the role of Deputy AG McNulty in the firings of the US attorneys.



Again, there is little to anything to be found about this in the broad view. Procedural or technical violations beging "reported" does not equal what he worded as "...verified case..."

What I think is funny about all of this is that nobody gave a sh*t about AG Gonzales when he replaced Ashcroft. It wasn't until the press reported (in a small amount btw) about the President dismissing some AGs, and since then it's been pretty much one guy, Sen. Schumer leading the chant at the wailing wall. The rest have literally been "sheep to the slaughter"...people are just yelling, "He's bad! He's Bad!" All because of what a couple reporters and one Senator are saying. Not even the politics behind it is strong, there's been no avalanche of condemnation outside of a few Senators.

If there was something of substance at this point, it would have broke out by now.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?




This fact (at this point despite your greatest hopes) that he has not been convicted of anything illeagal.

Come on kallend, this is for the courts to decide. Just like they did with Libby. You defended that procedure vehomanlty. Do you now have a change of heart in the justice system??
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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You are forgetting WHERE the stuff came from that the Supremes have shot down as unconstitutional.... his "legal" opinions on how to treat prisoners... how to treat enemy combatants.... what the administration can do to circumvent the constitution..... you can lay most of that crap right at his feet. He is the worst kind of YES MAN.. coing up with unconstitutional ways for the Administration to circumvent our laws.

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The guy has no respect for the Constitution, nor the civil liberties of Americans. How has he not been kicked out of office?



I agree.

I was about to say that we'd be even better off with Janet Reno but then I realized...































that'd just be fuckin' crazy! :S She was a Constitution-shreddin' fuckin' psychopath!
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?




This fact (at this point despite your greatest hopes) that he has not been convicted of anything illeagal.

Come on kallend, this is for the courts to decide. Just like they did with Libby. You defended that procedure vehomanlty. Do you now have a change of heart in the justice system??



Libby resigned prior to being convicted. Agnew resigned prior to being convicted. Nixon resigned prior to being charged. Delay resigned prior to being convicted. This thread is about resignation, not conviction.

Gonzales is an embarrassment to his position. It is inappropriate for someone who lies in congressional hearings, who advises the president to circumvent the Constitution and who considers the Geneva Conventions "quaint" to be the AG of the USA.

Even though I disagreed with Ashcroft, he was an honorable man. Gonzales is not.
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?



I'm still waiting to find out what it is, exactly he did wrong.


Lying to Congress is OK with you? The evidence for that is overwhelming.

Overwhelming? Wow! I await the trial that will convict him. If that does not happen then he has followed in the footsteps of your hero:o
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?




This fact (at this point despite your greatest hopes) that he has not been convicted of anything illeagal.

Come on kallend, this is for the courts to decide. Just like they did with Libby. You defended that procedure vehomanlty. Do you now have a change of heart in the justice system??



Libby resigned prior to being convicted. Agnew resigned prior to being convicted. Nixon resigned prior to being charged. Delay resigned prior to being convicted. This thread is about resignation, not conviction.

Gonzales is an embarrassment to his position. It is inappropriate for someone who lies in congressional hearings, who advises the president to circumvent the Constitution and who considers the Geneva Conventions "quaint" to be the AG of the USA.

Even though I disagreed with Ashcroft, he was an honorable man. Gonzales is not.



Ooook, so running someone out of office politically is ok when it agrees with your postion. In this case a court and trial does not count?
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Because he did not do anything illeagal?




This fact (at this point despite your greatest hopes) that he has not been convicted of anything illeagal.

Come on kallend, this is for the courts to decide. Just like they did with Libby. You defended that procedure vehomanlty. Do you now have a change of heart in the justice system??



Libby resigned prior to being convicted. Agnew resigned prior to being convicted. Nixon resigned prior to being charged. Delay resigned prior to being convicted. This thread is about resignation, not conviction.

Gonzales is an embarrassment to his position. It is inappropriate for someone who lies in congressional hearings, who advises the president to circumvent the Constitution and who considers the Geneva Conventions "quaint" to be the AG of the USA.

Even though I disagreed with Ashcroft, he was an honorable man. Gonzales is not.



Ooook, so running someone out of office politically is ok when it agrees with your postion. In this case a court and trial does not count?



I think you missed this bit: Libby resigned prior to being convicted. Agnew resigned prior to being convicted. Nixon resigned prior to being charged. Delay resigned prior to being convicted. This thread is about resignation, not conviction.

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