Is This Appropriate?

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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbgaybooks0711nbjul11,0,6811471.story?coll=sfla-news-broward

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Fort Lauderdale approves gay library with sexually oriented material on city site

FORT LAUDERDALE -- Mayor Jim Naugle took another swipe at gays Tuesday, attacking a request that the Stonewall gay and lesbian book archive be housed on city property.

The tiff over the adult book collection brought to City Hall a war that started last week between Naugle and gays in the city. Naugle's comments about gays, published last week in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, touched off a fierce controversy. In recent days, e-mails spilled into City Hall demanding that Naugle be rebuked and that he publicly apologize.

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Some of the titles on a list that city staff compiled: 100 Percent Beef, Arab Slave Boys, and Lesbian Bedtime Stories.

"I had no idea this was what the homosexual book collection was all about," Naugle said before the meeting, showing a pack of nude gay magazines that city staff said are part of the Stonewall collection.

"It's a shame it had to come out during this whole toilet controversy," he said. "They'll think it's some anti-gay thing — um, anti-homosexual."

Naugle and Commissioner Christine Teel voted against the request. Teel said it wasn't a smart financial move for the Stonewall collection, which will have to move again in 2009.

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[Nightingale 0]

No more or less appropriate than libraries carrying Playboy or Hustler or Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty trilogy, and many libraries do.

[SlyFox 0]

I guess it has been a long time since I been at a public library, I have never seen a playboy or hustler at one.

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[wmw999 2,584]

It serves a subset of the population. So do children's libraries, medical libraries, and bookmobiles. As long as it's not disproportionately expensive, then no, no real problem.

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[Nightingale 0]

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I guess it has been a long time since I been at a public library, I have never seen a playboy or hustler at one.

You generally have to ask for them.

[rushmc 23]

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No more or less appropriate than libraries carrying Playboy or Hustler or Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty trilogy, and many libraries do.

While I really don't care I see it a bit different. If they create space for every other self proclaimed group then whats the difference. If they won't, under todays political climate, it is discriminatory.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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I guess it has been a long time since I been at a public library, I have never seen a playboy or hustler at one.

You generally have to ask for them.

How would you know that?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Nightingale 0]

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How would you know that?

My best friend is a librarian.

[rushmc 23]

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How would you know that?

My best friend is a librarian.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Nightingale 0]

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While I really don't care I see it a bit different. If they create space for every other self proclaimed group then whats the difference. If they won't, under todays political climate, it is discriminatory.

Well, the local library here has a pretty extensive section of books on various religions, books in many languages, and cultural literature from pretty much anywhere, but then again, I'm in LA, and there's a ton of cultures here, so there's demand. So, yeah, pretty much anyone has a spot if they want it, and if the library doesn't have a book you want, they'll order it from another library.

[rushmc 23]

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While I really don't care I see it a bit different. If they create space for every other self proclaimed group then whats the difference. If they won't, under todays political climate, it is discriminatory.

Well, the local library here has a pretty extensive section of books on various religions, books in many languages, and cultural literature from pretty much anywhere, but then again, I'm in LA, and there's a ton of cultures here, so there's demand. So, yeah, pretty much anyone has a spot if they want it, and if the library doesn't have a book you want, they'll order it from another library.

Hmm, then in the context of this thread shouldn't those wanting specific books just order them? Then if the library sees enough demand they add them to their inventory? As opposed to demanding a space?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Nightingale 0]

Donating books for a library to add to their inventory is pretty common. It's the job of a library to make books available, not to decide which books are appropriate for people to read. Special interest groups donate books all the time, and most of the time, the books are just added to the shelf. The Second Amendment Foundation actively encourages their members to do so. http://www.ulster.net/~jperz/saf02.htm.

[rushmc 23]

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Donating books for a library to add to their inventory is pretty common. It's the job of a library to make books available, not to decide which books are appropriate for people to read.I have no problem with this Special interest groups donate books all the time, and most of the time, the books are just added to the shelf. The Second Amendment Foundation actively encourages their members to do so. http://www.ulster.net/~jperz/saf02.htm.

Hey I am fine with that. Your explination helps! Thank You

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andrewwhyte 1]

I used to rent a room from a guy who was a long term member of the local library board. Whenever there was a meeting to discuss the appropriateness of a certain book or subject he would leave his suit at home and wear a T-shirt that proudly proclaimed, "I have something in my library to offend everyone."

[Channman 2]

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Donating books for a library to add to their inventory is pretty common. It's the job of a library to make books available, not to decide which books are appropriate for people to read. Special interest groups donate books all the time, and most of the time, the books are just added to the shelf. The Second Amendment Foundation actively encourages their members to do so. http://www.ulster.net/~jperz/saf02.htm.

Its a library responsiblity to make books available? Sould that include books that teach adults how to have sex with children? Maybe these types of books are allowed in LA, because you have a diverse group of preverts looking for a Husler mags or child porn and a private area to read it in.

It's my hope this is not the norm throughout America.

[billvon 3,109]

>If they create space for every other self proclaimed group then whats the difference.

Agreed. As long as they accommodate any group that is requested by customers, then there's no problem. If they allow this but not (for example) wiccan literature (provided people ask for it of course) then there's a problem.

[rushmc 23]

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>If they create space for every other self proclaimed group then whats the difference.

Agreed. As long as they accommodate any group that is requested by customers, then there's no problem. If they allow this but not (for example) wiccan literature (provided people ask for it of course) then there's a problem.

As long as there is a need seen by the library. Just to put one in because it is requested would be stupid. Hell, the Global warming alarmists nuts would ask to put in crap not even they would read

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Nightingale 0]

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Sould that include books that teach adults how to have sex with children? .

I would hope that books like that would be available. I imagine that the information would be quite valuable to anyone profiling or studying pedophiles.

The thing is, information lacks intent. It is a neutral tool. There is no good or bad information. It is how we use that information that gives it a positive or negative character, and that use reflects far more on the user than on the information itself.

[shropshire 0]

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I hope that was a typo. I can see no value in such books. Profilers would not need help in that direction, surely?

If they did exit, they would no doubt end up in the wrong hands (as if there were any right hands).

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[billvon 3,109]

>As long as there is a need seen by the library.

The library serves a community, not itself. The community determines what the needs are. If it's an irish academic community, and they want complete collections of Joyce, Shaw, Wilde, Yeats, Beckett and O'Brien, then that's what they should get. If a lot of teenage women want Cosmo, 17 and Teen Magazine, they should get those periodicals. If climatologists want Science and Nature periodicals, then they should get them.

The users of the library, not the library, pays the bills, and the people, not the library, decides what the needs are.

[rushmc 23]

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>As long as there is a need seen by the library.

The library serves a community, not itself. The community determines what the needs are. If it's an irish academic community, and they want complete collections of Joyce, Shaw, Wilde, Yeats, Beckett and O'Brien, then that's what they should get. If a lot of teenage women want Cosmo, 17 and Teen Magazine, they should get those periodicals. If climatologists want Science and Nature periodicals, then they should get them.

The users of the library, not the library, pays the bills, and the people, not the library, decides what the needs are.

We agree then

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Nightingale 0]

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I hope that was a typo. I can see no value in such books. Profilers would not need help in that direction, surely?

If they did exit, they would no doubt end up in the wrong hands (as if there were any right hands).

The job of a profiler is to get inside the mind of a criminal, figure out who he is, what he's thinking, and what he's going to do next. Research studying sexual predators and their methods would be very valuable. In addition, the research could be used by psychologists to attempt to diagnose and treat pedophiles. Again, I do not believe that information itself is positive or negative. It is how that information is used that is key.

[shropshire 0]

Excuse me if I misunderstood, but [maybe] somethings should never be documented in the public domain..... but worth a debate none the less.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Nightingale 0]

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Excuse me if I misunderstood, but [maybe] somethings should never be documented in the public domain..... but worth a debate none the less.

The problem here is that then you get one group deciding what it's okay for another group to know. And honestly, in this age of technology, I can find out pretty much anything I want to know on the internet. Restricting what's in the library isn't going to accomplish much.

We've already managed to create a black market for drugs and weapons. Do we really want to create a black market for information as well?

[shropshire 0]

I agree with you, that you can pretty much get any information but making some information readily available at a public library and public expense could be problematic.

Sensorship and prohibition do carry their own problems too, this I realise.

But, I would not want to see kiddie porn, terrorist hand-books, Torture manuals etc... openly available and I'm sure that I'm not alone.

Regards,

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome