Royd 0
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>Who wouldn't even allow us to put 2% into a private account?
Who is stopping you from putting 2% of your own money into a private account of your choice? Identify the brigand and we'll have him thrown in jail!
>I've spent a few hours sitting in a hospital supported by public
>money. That was years ago, and it wasn't pretty. What makes you think
>that they'd ever improve. They're govt. employees.
So were Neil Armstrong and Chuck Yeager. So were the people who developed the nuclear bomb. So were the people who designed our interstates, our air traffic control system, and the irrigation system that lets deserts produce most of our food (out here at least.)
People who work for the government are like people in any other industry. Some are awesome, some suck, most are average. The government has a bigger problem with deadwood than some private companies because people are harder to fire. But as always you get what you pay for.
Who is stopping you from putting 2% of your own money into a private account of your choice? Identify the brigand and we'll have him thrown in jail!
>I've spent a few hours sitting in a hospital supported by public
>money. That was years ago, and it wasn't pretty. What makes you think
>that they'd ever improve. They're govt. employees.
So were Neil Armstrong and Chuck Yeager. So were the people who developed the nuclear bomb. So were the people who designed our interstates, our air traffic control system, and the irrigation system that lets deserts produce most of our food (out here at least.)
People who work for the government are like people in any other industry. Some are awesome, some suck, most are average. The government has a bigger problem with deadwood than some private companies because people are harder to fire. But as always you get what you pay for.
funjumper101 15
Can you please explain how you could make a connection between "lack of political correctness" and being a convicted serial perjurer?Quote
What Bill Clinton has shown is that he is completely unqualified to be a public official of any kind whatsoever.
To condone Clinton's actions shows utter contempt for the USA, the Constitution, and the rule of law. To even consider voting for a douchebag like Clinton is pretty pathetic, even for righties. Perjury is a high crime against our system of law. To condone perjury in any way is completely against everything that America stands for. Have you no shame? No sense of right and wrong?
The USA is in a world of hurt because the lefties have been fucking things up since LBJ was in office. The war on the middle class has been wildly successful. The Democratss are very proud of their success.
I could do the same thing for just about any politician. Should I use Hillary Clinton next? McCain? Romney? Feinstein? Ted Kennedy is too easy.
This is a fine example of the invention of "facts" and the distortion of truth by righties. Nice recitation of the approved talking points.
Bill Clinton was tried on one count of perjury in a Republican controlled House of Representives. He was NOT convicted in the Senate.
Libby was tried and convicted in a court of law - multiple counts, four, IIRC. The prosecutor was appointed by Shrub himself. The judge was appointed by Shrub himself.
Libby lied repeatedly during the course of an investigation into treason.
It is very likely that lots of people died due to the outing of Valerie Plame. It certainly blew up the front company Brewster Jennings. Blowing up Brewster Jennings cost the government tens of millions of dollars and dozens of other blown agents that had used Brewster Jennings as their cover. Plame was involved in nuclear non-proliferation, as in, preventing countries like Iran from getting atomic weapons. Good thing she isn't doing that anymore, isn't it? Good thing we lost all those other covert agents, isn't it?
Clinton lied about a sexual encounter with a consenting adult. He should have known better. The sexual encounter didn't cause any harm to anyone until the rabid righties went crazy about it.
If one is to to exercise moral relativity, most people can tell which perjury was worse than the other.
Shub has so much to hide that he commuted the sentence so that Libby wouldn't talk. He couldn't pardon Libby as that would remove his 5th amendment protections. It would be rather inconvenient for ShrubCo if the truth were to come out. That is why they are doing everything they can to cover up and make sure that no one tells the truth.
The Contract on America started with Reagan and really caught fire in 1994. The results will be with us for generations. The righties are very proud of themselves. Much like Neville Chamberlain was in the thirties.
Kennedy 0
QuotePerjury is a high crime against our system of law. To condone perjury in any way is completely against everything that America stands for. Have you no shame? No sense of right and wrong?
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QuoteWho wouldn't even allow us to put 2% into a private account?
Who's stopping you? Hell, you could put 100% of your earnings into a private account if you wanted to.
QuoteI've spent a few hours sitting in a hospital supported by public money. That was years ago, and it wasn't pretty. What makes you think that they'd ever improve. They're govt. employees.
And, yet, you were there seeking help for whatever problem you may have had.
QuoteSo you would have it run by HUD?
?????? That makes no sence??????? I know several people who were able to get a good home with the help of HUD. Do even have a tiny bit of an idea what HUD is?
QuoteWho signed NAFTA?
NAFTA was well on its way to being signed long before Clinton got into office. GHW Bush signed legislation in 1991 that made it so.
You should research before posting.
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sundevil777 102
QuoteQuoteI like the shirt.
He's very appealing due to his lack of political correctness. An example is that he's not afraid to say he would give a full pardon to Libby.
Can you please explain how you could make a connection between "lack of political correctness" and being in favor of pardoning a convicted serial perjurer?
What Fred Thompson has shown is that he is completely unqualified to be a public official of any kind whatsoever.
Libby was tried, convicted and sentenced in accordance with the laws of the land. To condone pardoning Libby shows utter contempt for the USA, the Constitution, and the rule of law. To even consider voting for a douchebag like Thompson is pretty pathetic, even for righties. Perjury is a high crime against our system of law. To condone perjury in any way is completely against everything that America stands for. Have you no shame? No sense of right and wrong?
The USA is in a world of hurt because the righties have been fucking things up since Reagan was elected. The war on the middle class has been wildly successful. The Republicans are very proud of their success.
Are there no instances, present or past, where you thing the criminal justice system has gone awry - where a pardon is appropriate?
We might disagree on which are worthy of a pardon, but surely there must be some.
Bill Clinton thought there were plenty of people worthy of pardons, despite the fact they were "tried, convicted and sentenced in accordance with the laws of the land." It should be added that Bill found many people worthy of a pardon only after they contributed enough money to the right "cause/library". That is usually considered bribery.
Have YOU no shame?
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
Royd 0
Who wouldn't even allow us to put 2% into a private account?
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Would you put money into a retirment account if you knew the manager was taking it home for his personal use and not investing it.
Had the govt. been serious about an actual retirment account, there would be billions sitting in a "lockbox", but the fact is, that it is nothing more than a petty cash account to them.
I have made a prediction that by the time I reach retirment age, the bar will have been moved to 70 or 75.
There are only two groups of people who potentially get to use the system to its fullest, some who have never invested a dime. Those who, for whatever reason, tap into the system, even they have not contributed,and those who live to be 100. Oh, yea, let's not forget the illegal immigrants who deserve a piece of the pie.
Do you think that it's good to be forced to contribute to a system under the guise of a retirment account, and if you died one day after the day that you could collect money, neither your wife nor your children can collect one dime that has been stolen from you?
GWB made an attempt at rectifying the mess and was shot down for political reasons, not because it wasn't a sound financial move for the investors.
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You were the one who brought up the complaint about the SS system. What is your solution?QuoteWho's stopping you? Hell, you could put 100% of your earnings into a private account if you wanted to.
Would you put money into a retirment account if you knew the manager was taking it home for his personal use and not investing it.
Had the govt. been serious about an actual retirment account, there would be billions sitting in a "lockbox", but the fact is, that it is nothing more than a petty cash account to them.
I have made a prediction that by the time I reach retirment age, the bar will have been moved to 70 or 75.
There are only two groups of people who potentially get to use the system to its fullest, some who have never invested a dime. Those who, for whatever reason, tap into the system, even they have not contributed,and those who live to be 100. Oh, yea, let's not forget the illegal immigrants who deserve a piece of the pie.
Do you think that it's good to be forced to contribute to a system under the guise of a retirment account, and if you died one day after the day that you could collect money, neither your wife nor your children can collect one dime that has been stolen from you?
GWB made an attempt at rectifying the mess and was shot down for political reasons, not because it wasn't a sound financial move for the investors.
QuoteYou were the one who brought up the complaint about the SS system. What is your solution?
My solution is what I had before I got sick. Invest in stock, bonds and a mutal fund. Being fully vested in your 401K is another vehicle that one should persue. I was well on my way to an early retirement untill I had to use the money for medical care. Over $50,000.00 was spent on doctors and lawyers. I am still paying penalties for using that money. To date, I still owe the government $1800.00 in penalties, down from over $6000.00. I have been sued by the government for money that I do not have. All the while I still have to pay for the majority of any healthcare. Money I do not have. Come Sept. I am back on Medicaid (that just riles you, does it not?). Two years ago Gov. Blunt (silver spoon up the ass, piece of shit) threw near everyone off of medicaid. He then set a new poverty level of around $600.00 a month. Anyone making more than that per month was now the new middle class and should pay for their own medical care. Does that tell you anything about how out of touch and uncaring the republican party is. The democratic party in this state fought hard to get sick people back on medical care. It is cheaper and better for society to help the sick than it is to force them deeper into poverty where then society must then deal with the ills that poverty causes. SS and SSDI is a saftey net for many of us. It is not perfect. It is abused by crooks in the private sector as well as by the government itself but, it is needed just the same. You want a great mutal fund to invest in? Try the Investment Corporation of America. It would had made me very well off had I been able to stay in it.
QuoteHad the govt. been serious about an actual retirment account, there would be billions sitting in a "lockbox", but the fact is, that it is nothing more than a petty cash account to them.
So, you like Gore's idea, do ya?
QuoteI have made a prediction that by the time I reach retirment age, the bar will have been moved to 70 or 75.
Many have made the same prediction. People are living far longer than they did 50 years ago. Many would rather not retire as working keeps them active. If you rather not work untill that age, invest in a sound mutal fund that will pay you back and free you from want.
QuoteDo you think that it's good to be forced to contribute to a system under the guise of a retirment account, and if you died one day after the day that you could collect money, neither your wife nor your children can collect one dime that has been stolen from you?
No, actually, I do not think it is ggod to force people to pay into a system that is wrought with problems. However, many are not in the position to invest heavily in stock, bonds and mutal funds. Many live check to check in order to survive. Not everyone is earning $50,000.00 a year or better. Not everyone is set up with great health coverage. Those of us who have a pre-existing condition are barred from getting private insurance and pay near everything out of pocket. Many of us have been sued for medical bills. Many of us have exhuasted our life savings and then must depend on that in which we invested in, our government. Only to be denied untill we end up in court to force the government to pay. Truth is is that the government cares nothing about the people who pay their wages. Uncle Sam much rather those like myself just die and be done with us. SS and SSDI helps many who would otherwise be starving and living on the street. It's not perfect and there is a great latitude for improvement. To just cut everyone off would do far greater damage.
QuoteGWB made an attempt at rectifying the mess and was shot down for political reasons, not because it wasn't a sound financial move for the investors.
He put about as much effort into the problem that he does deciding whether he should put jelly or jam on his toast (jelly and jam that is paid for by the taxpayers). He has not put much effort into problems that are growing bigger each day in this country. From administration to administration not much is ever really done. The presidency is a joke and nothing more than a smoke screen for what really is going on.
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When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
Royd 0
You were the one who brought up the complaint about the SS system. What is your solution?
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Look at the govt, retirement set up in Galveston, Tx. or in Chile. It really isn't that hard to do, it just has to be done. Of course, this would take away much of the socialist control that politicians love.
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If the govt.were investing the money into a private account or a general account specifically set aside for retirement, then the term 'living on SS' wouldn't be a dirty word. Just like private investment, at a certain point, it becomes self sustaining, which would give everyone even more money for their own lives.QuoteMy solution is what I had before I got sick. Invest in stock, bonds and a mutal fund. Being fully vested in your 401K is another vehicle that one should persue
Look at the govt, retirement set up in Galveston, Tx. or in Chile. It really isn't that hard to do, it just has to be done. Of course, this would take away much of the socialist control that politicians love.
QuoteLook at the govt, retirement set up in Galveston, Tx. or in Chile. It really isn't that hard to do, it just has to be done. Of course, this would take away much of the socialist control that politicians love.
I completely agree that it should be taken from the hands of the government as they have proven to not be a very good steward of the peoples money.
Public employees often have excellent retirement accounts.
Possibly, these are the people you are refering to who manage public employee retirement accounts?
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mnealtx 0
QuotePublic employees often have excellent retirement accounts.
I've said for years that the only way that SS can be fixed is to make Congress use it like the rest of us, instead of the pension they qualify for after a single friggin term...
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QuoteQuotePublic employees often have excellent retirement accounts.
I've said for years that the only way that SS can be fixed is to make Congress use it like the rest of us, instead of the pension they qualify for after a single friggin term...
I agree with that. But, I was more speaking of firemen, police officers and such.
Most politicians cease being public servants and on to being professional scum (reps and dems and all the rest) as soon as they are elected
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuotePublic employees often have excellent retirement accounts.
I've said for years that the only way that SS can be fixed is to make Congress use it like the rest of us, instead of the pension they qualify for after a single friggin term...
I agree with that. But, I was more speaking of firemen, police officers and such.
Most politicians cease being public servants and on to being professional scum (reps and dems and all the rest) as soon as they are elected
re: bolded - Boy, ain't THAT the truth!!!
Mike
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Royd 0
Since they seem to be lauding the public opinion on certain things, they should also allow us to determine their work hours, wages and retirement.QuoteI've said for years that the only way that SS can be fixed is to make Congress use it like the rest of us, instead of the pension they qualify for after a single friggin term...
TheAnvil 0
If you'd actually read the Constitution, you'd find a clause in article two, section two I believe about the President having the power to pardon. Availing himself of that power is hardly being contemptuous of the Constitution. Try again.
Your hero, El Jefe Clintonista, all but admitted to perjury in his plea bargain. Plea bargaining your way out of perjury seems a bit more slimy than being pardoned of it, especially after reading a bit about the Libby case. All those bemoaning Libby's crime and not condeming El Jefe Clintonista for an identical one are hypocrites. Period.
Try reading the Constitution. Superb document.
Your war on the middle class is right out of your favorite news station - the far left leaning CNN. Lou Dobbs. Watched an episode or two of that show. Morons who get themselves into debt and then can't pay it off and whining is what I saw. Call that a war on the middle class if you like, but this thing called personal responsibility is a really amazing thing. Those who have and exercise it, succeed for the most part. Those who don't...don't. Duuuuuuuuuuhhhhh.
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Amazon 7
Wow... so wonderfully condescending again. Aw fuck it...if I say what I really thought of that post I would get banned again.
Bottom line.. your right wing guys... can do anything they wish and its ok
Any one in the OTHER Parties..not worthy of being americans in your eyes.
Bottom line.. your right wing guys... can do anything they wish and its ok
Any one in the OTHER Parties..not worthy of being americans in your eyes.
QuoteWow... so wonderfully condescending again. Aw fuck it...if I say what I really thought of that post I would get banned again.
Bottom line.. your right wing guys... can do anything they wish and its ok
Any one in the OTHER Parties..not worthy of being americans in your eyes.
We all have our own unique perception of the world.
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QuoteWow... so wonderfully condescending again. Aw fuck it...if I say what I really thought of that post I would get banned again.
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QuoteQuak... Quack
now i'm really confused......I better go mow the lawn.
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QuoteIf you'd actually read the Constitution, you'd find a clause in article two, section two I believe about the President having the power to pardon. Availing himself of that power is hardly being contemptuous of the Constitution. Try again.
Your hero, El Jefe Clintonista, all but admitted to perjury in his plea bargain. Plea bargaining your way out of perjury seems a bit more slimy than being pardoned of it
Well, there you have the difference. A plea bargain is NOT an admission of guilt. Clinton has not been convicted of anything. Libby was found guilty of a felony by a jury in a US court.
Try reading the Constitution. Superb document.
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Channman 2
QuoteFred Thompson is going to win the GOP primary. You heard it here first.
And you heard it from me on many other threads that McCain would not see popular republicain support nor would he be the republicain nominee.
His immigration stance has hurt him and he will be out of the race late in the year if not before.
For me, there is a lot to like about Fred Thompson, but I also like Newt.
Channman 2
> Florida and Ohio were rigged. I think everyone on both sides realizes that.
Yea, if we could just get those damn meddling dems & reps to leave the process alone, stop knifing tires on campaign cars and voting more than once and preventing the counting of votes from military personnel we would'nt have these problems.
Like in most national elections there is a great deal of fraud going on but little procecution.
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