nigel99 607 #51 July 12, 2007 I know New Zealand is anti-nuke as kiwi friends love bragging how NZ pissed off the US by not letting its navy into its waters - I didn't realise Aussie was the same. My point was however that IF countries like this wanted nukes I am sure the US would object given the argument that I responded to about "dilution of power". What I am not certain about is that Iran is any more likely to be irresponsible with Nukes than old GWB. I know that they posture and such, but so does your glorious leader. From an objective point of view what is the difference between "Allah told us that Israel is bad" and "God told me to take out Saddam"? Both sound pretty much like religous fundamentalism setting foreign policy.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #52 July 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI do wonder how members of the EU would react, both publicly and privately, if Germany decided to pursue development. France and Belgium would be nervous. More so. Germany has a pretty bad record of aggression in the last century. Iran does not. Are you saying that Iran is planning to invade France and Belgium? I didn't mention France or Belgium at all. Iran does NOT have a record of aggression against its neighbors. In fact based on history (as opposed to rhetoric), Iran seems to be the least aggressive of all the nuclear and potentially nuclear powers. Let's not forget that the US engineered the overthrow of the elected Iranian government in 1953. We are hardly in a position of having the moral high ground here. Then why are you so worried about Iran and Germany forming an alliance and attempting to take over Europe via the BeNeLux route? They have more airpower nowadays - SHEEESH ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #53 July 12, 2007 QuoteMy point was however that IF countries like this wanted nukes I am sure the US would object given the argument that I responded to about "dilution of power". if a Commonwealth nation decided to do so, I'd expect the US to bless, and try to sell the nukes. Quote What I am not certain about is that Iran is any more likely to be irresponsible with Nukes than old GWB. I know that they posture and such, but so does your glorious leader. From an objective point of view what is the difference between "Allah told us that Israel is bad" and "God told me to take out Saddam"? Both sound pretty much like religous fundamentalism setting foreign policy. One is a person, a ruthless dictator by anyone's POV. The other is an entire nation. That is the difference between assassination and genocide. And recall that Bush did offer him the chance to abdicate. Not a very serious offer or one that Bush expected him to accept, but it was made. The odds of Iran using a nuke on Israel openly is zero. The odds of them allowing a nuclear device to 'fall into the wrong hands' and be used is also fairly low, because plausible deniability isn't good enough in such an event. But I wouldn't expect Israel to leave that up to chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #54 July 12, 2007 QuoteNow if I'm accelerating in my car and I ease up on the gas pedal to reduce the rate of acceleration am I slowing down or still going faster & faster? Speed faster Rate of acceleration slower. Stupid comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
