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[billvon 3,120]

>Why do you take this to a point of being an insult?

Why are you taking that as an insult? You have indeed posted several hundred times. A quick search of "warming" under your name returned 354 posts by you, most concerning your dislike of the "global warming crowd." (or as you call them "alarmists" "liars" "boy who called wolf" etc.) That is a political position.

>And acording to the site response to this position you are lieing.

Of course. That site has zero reason to question its own signers. Why should they? It sounds a lot more impressive when you inflate the numbers. Heck, you fell for it.

>But, can't aregue the point?

I have argued the point over and over, which is the science. You ignore the science and post yet another website claiming that global warming is all a bunch of hooey. I check out the site and note that many of the signatories are NOT what you claim they are, and you find that offensive. So be it.

>expect all to bow to your suprior position of ecducation and caring

?? Bow to whoever you like - political party, god, media, take your pick. If you want to debate the science, I'm all ears. If you just post yet another politically motivated website, and I discuss the science contained therein, and you get offended again because of my "suprior position of ecducation" - then your postings are somewhat self-defeating, no?

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I wonder what internet forums would have looked like when some alarmist (probably with a "political agenda") first hinted that tobacco smoking/chewing could have negative health effects...

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[Rookie120 0]

Can I take this thread back to the original topic which was a lot of these asshats who are telling us to change our lifestyle are not doing a damn thing themselves. With the exception of Billvon who else do you see preaching about global warming actually doing something about it besides tell me how I need to change my habits.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[rushmc 23]

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>Why do you take this to a point of being an insult?

Why are you taking that as an insult? You have indeed posted several hundred times. A quick search of "warming" under your name returned 354 posts by you, most concerning your dislike of the "global warming crowd." (or as you call them "alarmists" "liars" "boy who called wolf" etc.) That is a political position.BullShit, it is what you call it to mimimize another position. Alarmists are ones who say the sky if falling. Alarmists say that it is agreed in the scientific comunity. A "consense" has been formed so we don't talk about it anymore. Alarmists call others opionions political to try and shut them up because in thier mind the debate is over.

>And acording to the site response to this position you are lieing.

Of course. That site has zero reason to question its own signers. Why should they? It sounds a lot more impressive when you inflate the numbers. Heck, you fell for it.No one knows better than you! Just ask yourself

>But, can't aregue the point?

I have argued the point over and over, which is the science. You ignore the science and post yet another website claiming that global warming is all a bunch of hooey. I check out the site and note that many of the signatories are NOT what you claim they are, and you find that offensive. So be it.No you claim they are not what they claim to be. That is political. What I find offensive is a condesending seff important I am never wrong so I will tell someone else what thier "real" poisiton is bullshit.

>expect all to bow to your suprior position of ecducation and caring

?? Bow to whoever you like - political party, god, media, take your pick. If you want to debate the science, I'm all ears. If you just post yet another politically motivated website, and I discuss the science contained therein, and you get offended again because of my "suprior position of ecducation" - then your postings are somewhat self-defeating, no?

Wrong again, you claim politics when you can not debate the point. EVERY site which disagrees with your knowlege is political. Nice

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Can I take this thread back to the original topic which was a lot of these asshats who are telling us to change our lifestyle are not doing a damn thing themselves. With the exception of Billvon who else do you see preaching about global warming actually doing something about it besides tell me how I need to change my habits.

I have huge respect for someone that walks the talk as billvon does. As I have posted before, I had much respect for Wellstone of MN. I did not agree with anything he spoke of but he never hid from what he was and he respected others views.
10 years ago I believed in gun control. I was only around a shot gun on the farm and I bought into the control crowd retoric. Something around 6 years ago caused me to look into what the hoopla was all about. Most know my position on this topic today.

5 years ago I was inclinded to believe man was causing planetary warming, two years ago I was inclinded to think man was just acelarting the warming, today I am skeptical to say the least. Now that I am skeptical I have a political view. Rediculas

The claim is, the temp is rising, CO2 is increasing, man is causing the increase in CO2, therfore man is causing the temp to increase. It is said to be that simple. THEN, I think you (or someone else pointed out) the point was raised that the temps 500 years ago were much higher than today and well now it is not so simple.
Then, it is stated on this site the ice core samples prove thier point and when a more detailed and controled report comes out well, that is just political bs.

I understant they have to hurry to implement the "POLITCAL" changes to enforce their views on the rest of us however. Research continues and therefore time is running out.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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And acording to the site response to this position you are lieing. But, can't aregue the point? Go after the source, Real crediible huh?

Now, what were you saying about the IPCC?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Royd 0]

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Anyone who doesn't want to do something can come up with a million reasons why they can't do it.

Yep. Right now we could be pulling oil out of ANWAR and the Gulf of Mexico.

[kallend 2,150]

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Anyone who doesn't want to do something can come up with a million reasons why they can't do it.

Yep. Right now we could be pulling oil out of ANWAR and the Gulf of Mexico.

How will that cut CO2 emissions? Are ANWAR and Gulf crudes deficient in carbon?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,120]

>Right now we could be pulling oil out of ANWAR and the Gulf of Mexico.

When will we really need that oil? Now, when we have the cheapest gas on the planet? Or in a few decades, when Iraq has the only remaining oil left?

It would be nice to think that we will switch our military over to ethanol or some other non-oil-based fuel, but I fear we will be too short-sighted. So when push comes to shove, would you rather the last easy-to-get oil was here or in the Middle East? Whose military should control it?

We've been short-sighted enough. Burning through our final reserves as fast as possible is about as dumb as you can get when it comes to planning for our future.

[rushmc 23]

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And acording to the site response to this position you are lieing. But, can't aregue the point? Go after the source, Real crediible huh?

Now, what were you saying about the IPCC?

Not toooo hard to learn about that group and thier processes, tatics an agendas but I know you don't care. Talk about a politcal group

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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And acording to the site response to this position you are lieing. But, can't aregue the point? Go after the source, Real crediible huh?

Now, what were you saying about the IPCC?

Not toooo hard to learn about that group and thier processes, tatics an agendas but I know you don't care. Talk about a politcal group

So it's OK for you to "go after a source", but not OK when Bill does it.

Isn't that just a teensy bit hypocritical?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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And acording to the site response to this position you are lieing. But, can't aregue the point? Go after the source, Real crediible huh?

Now, what were you saying about the IPCC?

Not toooo hard to learn about that group and thier processes, tatics an agendas but I know you don't care. Talk about a politcal group

So it's OK for you to "go after a source", but not OK when Bill does it.

Isn't that just a teensy bit hypocritical?

You want to know what the differnce is ? (I doubt you care) I have spent time and posts over the months posting sites and information that go against thier position. I don't go straight for the "they are just political" bullshit when I can't respond to a point. I also spent some time learning about the IPCC, why is was created and who is in and runs it.

See, I knew you would not care

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,589]

You don't do it because someone else is. Among other things, you do some of these things because they're cheaper.

I drive an inexpensive car; a Honda Civic. It also gets 30 miles to the gallon. No 40, but, well, 30 is better than what I got with my old Mitsubishi.

I've replace most of my light bulbs with CFLs; but as they burn out, so that I didn't have a huge one-time light bulb bill. Using those, and turning off lights I'm not actively using, cuts down the light bill, which is a big consideration in Houston. We've also sealed the house reasonably well, and I check the ductwork fairly regularly to make sure it's not leaking. I also acclimitize to the heat, and take a quick rinse at night. That way the temperature stays around 80-82 most of the time. I used to like it at 78-79, but this works too. And my light bills are way lower.

It's really hard to get local foods in Houston without going out of my way on jump days. So I make a point of buying them when I see them, and asking for them at the grocery store. But we eat salad pretty much every day, and so when it's not growing in Houston, it's not local.

I bicycle to work sometimes, but when it's too hot (no showers there, and humidity is impressive here), no, I don't. I recycle pretty extensively. I've been using Green Mountain for my electricity (they do wind power a lot here in Texas)

If everyone does the things that are reasonably convenient, it becomes part of your lifestyle. I don't have a passive solar system, or a hybrid, or a worm farm, but I'm a normal human being who's lazy like everyone else. But instead of figuring that since I can't do everything I might as well do nothing, I save a little money here, and spend it there. I'm not trying to be a massive example for everyone (which is why this is probably the first time I've done this holier-than-whoever thing), but it's not that hard. And I love saving money on my electric bill.

Next thing for me to do is to put some sort of passive solar barrier on the hottest windows. It increases the comfort level in those rooms.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 2,150]

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And acording to the site response to this position you are lieing. But, can't aregue the point? Go after the source, Real crediible huh?

Now, what were you saying about the IPCC?

Not toooo hard to learn about that group and thier processes, tatics an agendas but I know you don't care. Talk about a politcal group

So it's OK for you to "go after a source", but not OK when Bill does it.

Isn't that just a teensy bit hypocritical?

You want to know what the differnce is ? (I doubt you care) I have spent time and posts over the months posting sites and information that go against thier position. I don't go straight for the "they are just political" bullshit when I can't respond to a point. I also spent some time learning about the IPCC, why is was created and who is in and runs it.

See, I knew you would not care

Weaseling doesn't become you.

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[rushmc 23]

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And acording to the site response to this position you are lieing. But, can't aregue the point? Go after the source, Real crediible huh?

Now, what were you saying about the IPCC?

Not toooo hard to learn about that group and thier processes, tatics an agendas but I know you don't care. Talk about a politcal group

So it's OK for you to "go after a source", but not OK when Bill does it.

Isn't that just a teensy bit hypocritical?

You want to know what the differnce is ? (I doubt you care) I have spent time and posts over the months posting sites and information that go against thier position. I don't go straight for the "they are just political" bullshit when I can't respond to a point. I also spent some time learning about the IPCC, why is was created and who is in and runs it.

See, I knew you would not care

Weaseling doesn't become you.

....and this is a normal post from you. and that is one that does not make any sense to anyone but you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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So it's OK for you to "go after a source", but not OK when Bill does it.

Isn't that just a teensy bit hypocritical?

You want to know what the differnce is ? (I doubt you care) I have spent time and posts over the months posting sites and information that go against thier position. I don't go straight for the "they are just political" bullshit when I can't respond to a point. I also spent some time learning about the IPCC, why is was created and who is in and runs it.

See, I knew you would not care

Weaseling doesn't become you.

....and this is a normal post from you. and that is one that does not make any sense to anyone but you

First you have a double standard, then you try to justify it, and now I'm at fault. Have you been taking lessons from my ex?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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So it's OK for you to "go after a source", but not OK when Bill does it.

Isn't that just a teensy bit hypocritical?

You want to know what the differnce is ? (I doubt you care) I have spent time and posts over the months posting sites and information that go against thier position. I don't go straight for the "they are just political" bullshit when I can't respond to a point. I also spent some time learning about the IPCC, why is was created and who is in and runs it.

See, I knew you would not care

Weaseling doesn't become you.

....and this is a normal post from you. and that is one that does not make any sense to anyone but you

First you have a double standard, then you try to justify it, and now I'm at fault. Have you been taking lessons from my ex?

No I don't. I have no idea whay you think I am saying is your fault, and no, but I got a feeling why she is now your ex.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[NCclimber 0]

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Weaseling doesn't become you.

Looks like you've found a new favorite word. What'd you do? Look in the mirror and have an epiphany?

[kallend 2,150]

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Weaseling doesn't become you.

Looks like you've found a new favorite word. What'd you do? Look in the mirror and have an epiphany?

You having fun with that dictionary?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,150]

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So it's OK for you to "go after a source", but not OK when Bill does it.

Isn't that just a teensy bit hypocritical?

You want to know what the differnce is ? (I doubt you care) I have spent time and posts over the months posting sites and information that go against thier position. I don't go straight for the "they are just political" bullshit when I can't respond to a point. I also spent some time learning about the IPCC, why is was created and who is in and runs it.

See, I knew you would not care

Weaseling doesn't become you.

....and this is a normal post from you. and that is one that does not make any sense to anyone but you

First you have a double standard, then you try to justify it, and now I'm at fault. Have you been taking lessons from my ex?

No I don't. I have no idea whay you think I am saying is your fault, and no, but I got a feeling why she is now your ex.

Can you re-write that in English?
Maybe NCclimber will lend you his dictionary.

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[rehmwa 2]

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It's a viscous cycle!

try a little thinner, then it won't be so much of a (shearing) drag

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[rehmwa 2]

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You don't do it because someone else is. Among other things, you do some of these things because they're cheaper........And I love saving money on my electric bill.........

hey look - some logic and practicality - way to go Wendy, a REAL example

that's what will work for 90% of us - those that do it to feel smug/superior have already done most by now (and likely have also fallen for scam technologies that don't help, just pass the waste on elsewhere) and we hear from them all the time (So that covers about 1/2 of a percent of the population)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,120]

>Not toooo hard to learn about that group and thier processes, tatics
>an agendas but I know you don't care. Talk about a politcal group

Yes, we know you hate their politics. You have made such comments 355 times.

But do you have any objections to the SCIENCE? Not how much you hate their guts, not a link to an article you don't quite understand, not another diatribe from Newsmax - an objection to the SCIENCE they have done that you can articulate?

Or is it all politics to you?

[rushmc 23]

Or is it all politics to you?

You are! Because you will not address or answer science coming back at you.

Once more I am reminded to look for the hidden cameras and mind reading equipment because I need to stop you knowing what I think better than I do!!!!


.....and you lable me

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>Because you will not address or answer science coming back at you.

I would be happy to. Ask a question. (Again, a SCIENCE based question that you understand.)