Live Earth Concert

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OK, so the Live Earth concert was yesterday and most people know the details of it. Something that I saw last night when I was at work at the airport has put a bug up my ass big time. We all know what the goal of the concert was, use less energy, fossil fuels and what not. So when I was at work I was outside the hangar and I saw Bon Jovi and the band pull up in a HUGE tour bus with 3 Chevy Tahoes with security guys. They got out of there tour bus and jumped on an BBJ. About 45 minutes later Dave Mathews arrives and jumps on a G-4. Then Kanye West got a Challenger. Then poor Kelly Clarkson, she only got to fly on a Citation II. I just thought to myself what a bunch of assholes to be preaching how we need to cut out energy consumption then after they put on a huge concert jump on there private jets and take off. I'm sure they bought there carbon offsets and put some more money into Al Gores pocket so they feel better about themselves. I guess you dont always have to practice what you preach.

It took seeing that for you to become aware of it? Of how this is all just a put-on, a big hypocritical joke?

Al Gore's as full of shit as any other politician. Some want your money and your vote because they'll save you from the abortion boogeyman, or the gun violence boogeyman, or what have you. Al Gore wants your money and your vote to save you from the pollution/global warming boogeyman, but that doesn't mean he actually is gonna provide a real answer.

It's a fraud. Plain and simple. Yet another reason to hold a big successful concert and make money. Or did you actually go believing that these people were all wise and honorable and truly looking out for the planet?

This is just Al Gore's GIMMICK. Falling for it would be the dumbest thing you could do.

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Are you saying that Global Warming is the cause of droughts?

[billvon 3,120]

>Al Gore wants your money and your vote . . .

What do you think Gore is running for?

[billvon 3,120]

> Are you saying that Global Warming is the cause of droughts?

Some of them, yes.

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To be honest, I really don't give a shit about global warming. I do not want pollution and I do want less crappy emissions spewed into the air, but that's it. For me, I think we have more pressing issues facing humanity right now like poverty, starvation, disease, terrorism, etc. These are proven issues. Global warming has yet to be proven. It still could be a cyclical trend.

Chris

Well, it sounds like someone didn't see "The Day After Tomorrow" to learn just how dire our fate might be if we don't stop burning fossil fuels!

You're not doing your part and watching enough fictional movies to be taught the truth!

Start with "The Day After Tomorrow," move on to "An Incovenient 'Truth'", and if you have time, watch "Bowling For Columbine," "Loose Change," and "Fahrenheit 9/11"...

You know, they can ...detect you if you haven't got the programming in your head. Sometimes you can fool them if you stare a lot and don't show emotion...

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> Are you saying that Global Warming is the cause of droughts?

Some of them, yes.

It's the cause of droughts, it's the cause of floods, it's the cause of blizzards, it's the cause of blistering heat, it's the cause of diaper rash, gout, headache, runny nose, anal boils, tooth loss, acne, dry rot, termite infestation, mange, ingrown toenails, and frowns.

It walks down stairs, alone or in pairs, and makes a warmetting sound...

In other words, it's the answer to the prayers of those people who want nothing more than to enforce their lifestyle choices on you (and then live however they want to, jetting all over the world and drinking starbucks).

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Aside from Global Warming, you do know that environmental problems go hand in hand with poverty, starvation, and disease right now throughout the world, right?

In no way do I support the stupid Live Earth concert, I just wanted to bring this fact to your attention :)

So what's the solution? Bring up the poor until they are wealthy enough to consume as much as WE do? Oh, yeah, that'll solve the problem.

I love how people do t.v. commercials and sponsor programs that try to feed, clothe and cure the impoverished masses... as though the planet will be better off if they continue to live and consume! Isn't that the most backward-fuckin' thinking? "We don't have enough to go around, so send some money here to help us perpetuate the eating/fucking/spawning cycle of the people in these shithole nations," as though that won't just perpetuate a cycle where they continue to need us to send more and more money, clothes and food.


Seems more likely that the problem would be solved by eliminating the poor, starving, backward people on the planet, based on what you're saying.

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>Are you planning to walk up to a person who is starving today and tell
> them not to worry because people are working on eradicating global
>warming?

Well, to be fair, if people DO manage to stop global warming (unlikely) and thus end the droughts in several parts of the world, those people will be able to better feed themselves and not have to rely on people giving them food.

Why not do both? I am all for less pollution, more fuel efficiency, recycling, etc. However, people who are starving or dieing from diseases that are unnecessary need help now. I cannot judge the extent of selfishness in others, I can only search my own heart and do what I can. I do know for certain that if everyone would do just that, it would go a very long way to eliminating poverty around the world.

Chris

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>Are you planning to walk up to a person who is starving today and tell
> them not to worry because people are working on eradicating global
>warming?

Well, to be fair, if people DO manage to stop global warming (unlikely) and thus end the droughts in several parts of the world, those people will be able to better feed themselves and not have to rely on people giving them food.

Are you saying that droughts do not naturally exist, and arid places on the earth are not normal, but a by-product of--specifically--man-made global warming??

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>Why not do both? I am all for less pollution, more fuel efficiency,
>recycling, etc. However, people who are starving or dieing from diseases
>that are unnecessary need help now.

I agree; that's the approach we should take. Try to help people directly now, and try to leave them a better world in which they are better able to take care of themselves.

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To be honest, I really don't give a shit about global warming. I do not want pollution and I do want less crappy emissions spewed into the air, but that's it. For me, I think we have more pressing issues facing humanity right now like poverty, starvation, disease, terrorism, etc. These are proven issues. Global warming has yet to be proven. It still could be a cyclical trend.

Chris

If we get rid of humanity, we could solve this global warming problem. I therefore submit that we continue killing terrorist and invest in Co2 offsets for every terrorist killed.

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Sometimes the dividing line between selfishness and a healthy self-interest is fine. But generally it's just seriously misplaced.

Of course, I have enough money to skydive

Absolutely!!! Skydiving may be doing a lot of good for your mental well-being, therefore it is not selfish. What I am referring to, and I think you know what I mean; is if there were less finger pointing and more self reflection perhaps we would be able to put things in the proper perspective.

It is human nature to be selfish, however in our journey through this life I believe we are to do our best to overcome bad inclinations and replace them with good ones.

Side note: If I'm not making my point clearly, please forgive me; I'm dealing with a nasty headache right now.

Chris

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[billvon 3,120]

>Start with "The Day After Tomorrow" . . .

Don't forget "State of Fear" and "The Skeptical Environmentalist."

>It's the cause of droughts, it's the cause of floods, it's the cause of
>blizzards, it's the cause of blistering heat . . .

Not to point out the very obvious, but yes - our climate is responsible for all of those. When it changes, they change as well.

>it's the cause of diaper rash, gout, headache, runny nose, anal boils, tooth
>loss, acne, dry rot, termite infestation, mange, ingrown toenails, and frowns.

I think that's communism you're thinking of there. Or perhaps not drinking Pepsi.

>In other words, it's the answer to the prayers of those people who want
>nothing more than to enforce their lifestyle choices on you (and then live
>however they want to, jetting all over the world and drinking starbucks).

The reason that line of thinking is going to always fail is that people can now look out their windows and see the effects of climate change. You can convince people that there's no problem when the problem is decades in the future. But when their towns are eroding away because the sea isn't covered with ice half the year any more, they're not going to take people's cries of "there's no such thing as global warming!" very seriously. They believe what they see.

>Are you saying that droughts do not naturally exist, and arid places on
> the earth are not normal, but a by-product of--specifically--man-made
>global warming??

Not at all. Droughts have always existed. Climate change will make them a bit worse. Summers are always hot; climate change will make them a bit hotter. Hurricanes are always strong; climate change will make them a bit stronger. Winters are always cold; climate change will make them a bit less cold. Etc etc.

We all live in this chaotic system called our climate. It's hard to predict what will happen five days in advance, much less five years. But the IPCC has been making predictions since 1995, and those predictions are coming to pass. They made a call and turned out to be right.

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>Start with "The Day After Tomorrow" . . .

Don't forget "State of Fear" and "The Skeptical Environmentalist."

>It's the cause of droughts, it's the cause of floods, it's the cause of
>blizzards, it's the cause of blistering heat . . .

Not to point out the very obvious, but yes - our climate is responsible for all of those. When it changes, they change as well.

>it's the cause of diaper rash, gout, headache, runny nose, anal boils, tooth
>loss, acne, dry rot, termite infestation, mange, ingrown toenails, and frowns.

I think that's communism you're thinking of there. Or perhaps not drinking Pepsi.

>In other words, it's the answer to the prayers of those people who want
>nothing more than to enforce their lifestyle choices on you (and then live
>however they want to, jetting all over the world and drinking starbucks).

The reason that line of thinking is going to always fail is that people can now look out their windows and see the effects of climate change. You can convince people that there's no problem when the problem is decades in the future. But when their towns are eroding away because the sea isn't covered with ice half the year any more, they're not going to take people's cries of "there's no such thing as global warming!" very seriously. They believe what they see.

>Are you saying that droughts do not naturally exist, and arid places on
> the earth are not normal, but a by-product of--specifically--man-made
>global warming??

Not at all. Droughts have always existed. Climate change will make them a bit worse. Summers are always hot; climate change will make them a bit hotter. Hurricanes are always strong; climate change will make them a bit stronger. Winters are always cold; climate change will make them a bit less cold. Etc etc.

We all live in this chaotic system called our climate. It's hard to predict what will happen five days in advance, much less five years. But the IPCC has been making predictions since 1995, and those predictions are coming to pass. They made a call and turned out to be right.

This whole line of retoric scares me the most. The GWing crowd is changing the slogan to work the point.

The point is?

The climate is changing. By default that it what it does. But are you going to honest here billvon? I mean, your point and position is "man is causing or at least increasing the speed of change".

To the first point I say OK, the climate is warming/changing. To the second point? Well man has very little if anything to do with it so what we should be talking here is adapting to the climate change. Not changing life styles to try and effect something we can not affect.

To be honest....

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>To the first point I say OK, the climate is warming/changing.

Agreed.

>To the second point? Well man has very little if anything to do with it . . .

We have increased CO2 concentrations in our atmosphere by 50%, and it is one of the primary greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. We are now seeing the results of that change.

>so what we should be talking here is adapting to the climate change.

That's part of it as well. (Be aware, though, that this puts you in conflict with a certain group of climate change deniers who claim the climate is NOT changing - so prepare to get grief from them.)

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>To the first point I say OK, the climate is warming/changing.

Agreed.

>To the second point? Well man has very little if anything to do with it . . .

We have increased CO2 concentrations in our atmosphere by 50%, and it is one of the primary greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. We are now seeing the results of that change.

>so what we should be talking here is adapting to the climate change.

That's part of it as well. (Be aware, though, that this puts you in conflict with a certain group of climate change deniers who claim the climate is NOT changing - so prepare to get grief from them.)

First off I do not buy into the CO2 effect you post, but that is another thread. Second, I really do not care if the "deniers" as you like to call them, do not agree with me or not. Why, because in the end they would not be pushing for global agreements and government mandated life style changes would they. They, as would the rest of us would do, will adapt because they will have no choice. That is quite different from the man made global warming crowds perspective now isn't it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>First off I do not buy into the CO2 effect you post . . .

What are you denying here? That we are increasing the concentrations of CO2 by burning fossil fuels, or that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that reduces re-radiation of longwave IR?

>They, as would the rest of us would do, will adapt because they will have
>no choice.

Quite literally true. Just like we're adapting to 9/11. What approach should we take?

1) We are helpless victims of terrorists, powerless to stop them! We will just have to adapt to a future of terrorism, because we have no choice.

2) We will change our security, approach to immigration, aviation laws, border laws etc to prevent another 9/11, even if it takes effort.

>That is quite different from the man made global warming crowds
>perspective now isn't it.

Yes it is! But the victim culture is quite popular nowadays.

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This is just Al Gore's GIMMICK. Falling for it would be the dumbest thing you could do.

He's still pissed that he didn't get to run the country in 2000 so he decided to go one better. He's going to solve the world's problems just to prove that we all screwed up.He's going to keep telling us that it's not about him until we believe it.

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Some of them, yes.

Does that include those back in the 70's when we were sweating the coming ice age.[Pun intended]

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To be honest, I really don't give a shit about global warming. I do not want pollution and I do want less crappy emissions spewed into the air, but that's it. For me, I think we have more pressing issues facing humanity right now like poverty, starvation, disease, terrorism, etc. These are proven issues. Global warming has yet to be proven. It still could be a cyclical trend.

Chris

If we get rid of humanity, we could solve this global warming problem. I therefore submit that we continue killing terrorist and invest in Co2 offsets for every terrorist killed.

It's been proven conclusively that killing innocent civilians is much easier than killing terrorists.

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>First off I do not buy into the CO2 effect you post . . .

What are you denying here? That we are increasing the concentrations of CO2 by burning fossil fuels, or that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that reduces re-radiation of longwave IR?Your main stay but there are many who do not agree CO2 has the affect you like to claim but as I said, this is another thread.

>They, as would the rest of us would do, will adapt because they will have
>no choice.

Quite literally true. Just like we're adapting to 9/11. What approach should we take?crappy analogy. 911 may have been stopped, climate change can't be.

1) We are helpless victims of terrorists, powerless to stop them! We will just have to adapt to a future of terrorism, because we have no choice.Here you go with your vitcims bs again so the rest of the sentence means what?

2) We will change our security, approach to immigration, aviation laws, border laws etc to prevent another 9/11, even if it takes effort.back to the crappy analogy

>That is quite different from the man made global warming crowds
>perspective now isn't it.

Yes it is! But the victim culture is quite popular nowadays.

back to the victim bs. See a trend?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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It took seeing that for you to become aware of it? Of how this is all just a put-on, a big hypocritical joke?

I had an idea before but until I seen it up front it was the proof in my own eyes. It's a real shame because I really like some of those guys music. I just wish they would shut the hell up and play and stop saying stupid shit.

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It's a fraud. Plain and simple. Yet another reason to hold a big successful concert and make money. Or did you actually go believing that these people were all wise and honorable and truly looking out for the planet?

I was hoping they would at least lead by example. Thats something I always tried to do when I was in a leadership position. Dont ask someone to do that you yourself are not willing to do.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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>Your main stay but there are many who do not agree CO2 has the
>affect you like to claim but as I said, this is another thread.

Of course, just as there are many who claim Bush pulled off 9/11. There are no shortages of people who claim things.

>crappy analogy. 911 may have been stopped, climate change can't be.

Well, that's true only if you think that CO2 cannot possibly have anything to do with the climate. That's not really supportable by the science.

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Well, that's true only if you think that CO2 cannot possibly have anything to do with the climate. That's not really supportable by the science.