He has been trying to deliver this message for 30 YEARS

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....AND HE INVENTED THE INTERNET.

This stuff just can't be made up


A Giddy Gore Discusses 'Live Earth'

Jul 7 05:55 PM US/Eastern
By ERIK SCHELZIG
Associated Press Writer


ON BOARD THE ACELA EXPRESS (AP) - Al Gore tried to rein in his adrenaline as the train churned between the two North American venues of his Live Earth concerts Saturday.
Gore, the former vice president and environmental activist, rattled off the latest details of companion concerts on six other continents before catching himself.

"I'm just so filled with enthusiasm and energy, I'm not letting you ask questions," Gore said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Gore kicked off the U.S. leg of the worldwide concerts earlier Saturday in Washington and was keeping track of the Giants Stadium venue on his laptop as the Amtrak train headed toward New Jersey.

While clearly one of the main attractions for the worldwide concerts, Gore tried to keep too much attention from being paid to his role.

"That's nice, but it's not about me," he said. "It's about the message. I think everybody understands that."

Gore turned back criticism that the concert series lacked immediate goals beyond generally raising awareness about climate change. The concerts are just the first step in a three-year public relations campaign, he said.

"I've been trying to deliver this message for 30 years, and I know that it doesn't take in just one delivery," he said. "You've got to keep going."

The concerts will be followed by a global advertising campaign, with a particular focus on the United States.

"The planet doesn't have a PR agent," he said. "But now it will, because the Alliance for Climate Protection is going to use the modern techniques of messaging to get the scientific evidence in front of people all over the world."

Gore said he plans to return to giving his slideshows and training others to give the presentation about global warming after the concert series is complete.

"And if I can figure out some other way to get this message to more people more persuasively and more quickly, then I'll do that too," he said.

Gore laughed off a question about whether that could include a presidential bid and repeated his mantra: "I have no plans to be a candidate."

"I really don't," he emphasized. But he continues to not completely rule out a bid.

Gore, whose slide show on global warming was the subject of the Academy Award-winning documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," said the presidency alone can't necessarily bring about the changes he's calling for.

"I was in the White House for eight years and I saw the limitations of even the power of the executive branch when the people and their elected representatives in the Congress were not ready to contemplate the big changes that are necessary," he said.

"This is the rare challenge that really has to come from the grass roots up," he said.

And yet Gore said he understands that not everyone at the concerts would immediately buy into the climate change cause.

"It's great to just enjoy the music," he said "But I'm hoping, of course, that while listening to the music and enjoying the films, that they will be open to the message."

Asked whether the political campaign-like atmosphere around his travels doesn't get the old juices flowing again, Gore paused for a moment, smiled, and then firmly said: "No."

"I'm involved in a different kind of campaign, to deliver this message to people all over the U.S. and all over the world," he said.

"We have to be prepared to keep going for long enough to get this world across this tipping point."

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I saw an interview of him with Kate Snow on ABC yesterday.
I think the man must have gotten botox in his face. He's always looked like one of those wooden dummies, but his face didn't move at all. Pretty creepy!

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....AND HE INVENTED THE INTERNET.

Gore didn't claim to have invented the internet. He took credit for introducing (or sponsoring) legislation that funded the beginnings of the internet.

I'm not a huge Gore fan, but he shouldn't have to suffer that particular insult.

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....AND HE INVENTED THE INTERNET.

Gore didn't claim to have invented the internet. He took credit for introducing (or sponsoring) legislation that funded the beginnings of the internet.

I'm not a huge Gore fan, but he shouldn't have to suffer that particular insult.

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True but he can keep getting crap because of the lies he is spreading daily....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I heard a fan at one of the concerts talking about Gore's speech to the crowd, "He's so charismatic."

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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so was hitler, mussolini, and mao.

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so was hitler, mussolini, and mao.

The funny thing about the opinion of Gore being charismatic is that he was definitely not thought of as charismatic during the 2000 election. He doesn't seem to have changed.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Wow.. this topic sure turned ito a right wing lovefest in a hurry.. or is it just another one of yalls circle jerks.

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Wow.. this topic sure turned ito a right wing lovefest in a hurry.. or is it just another one of yalls circle jerks.

I think a campaign to heighten awareness about the need to heighten awareness to be much closer to a circle jerk.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Wow.. this topic sure turned ito a right wing lovefest in a hurry.. or is it just another one of yalls circle jerks.

I think a campaign to heighten awareness about the need to heighten awareness to be much closer to a circle jerk.

Just don't get in the middle!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Just don't get in the middle!

Dont worry you can get your Lush Rimjob fix in just a few hours.

Be sure to let us know what the Right wing talking points are as soon as you can....

I see where you are getting a lot of your information about Global warming.. its right there on the EIB website

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/enviro_wackos.html.LogIn.html




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....AND HE INVENTED THE INTERNET.

Gore didn't claim to have invented the internet. He took credit for introducing (or sponsoring) legislation that funded the beginnings of the internet.

I'm not a huge Gore fan, but he shouldn't have to suffer that particular insult.

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The ARPANET was in full swing before he even thought about it. BBN's list of inventions relating to what is now the Internet was a mile long by the early 70s.

Back to the OP: This is solely about money and politics. The web is tangled and huge. There are arguments from the "right" that the envrio-movement has even become a religion of sorts.

There are those that would have you believe that we do absolutely nothing about it. Nothing could be further from the truth. There are those that would tell you how you should contribute, while doing nothing themselves, that's an undisputed fact.

The co-founder of Greenpeace says the answer is nuclear energy, but the enviros won't have it. Proof in the pudding that this whole charade has nothing to do with the environment.

The US has the toughest laws in the world when it comes to auto-emissions. This was accomplished through a combination of government and industry initiative, something only a free market economy can achieve.

There are countries who have a model for retention of resources, Japan is a good example. Does that model work for everyone? Of course not.

Thank goodness for the free flow of information, because there is too much conflicting data for this debate to be settled. That, and those that refuse to debate it or liberate their minds to a broader reality.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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>True but he can keep getting crap because of the lies he is spreading daily....

So it's OK to lie about him to show he's telling lies? There's a bit of a credibility problem with that approach.

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>The ARPANET was in full swing before he even thought about it.

Not really. ARPANET was just one networking technology; sort of a technological curiosity like Bitnet. It took the NSF installing backbones, creating the Corporation for Research and Educational Networking and InterNIC to make ARPANET (which was at its base just the TCP/IP protocol) into what we consider the Internet.

Gore got most of the NSF's funding for networking research. He didn't invent the internet, but he took a lot of the political initiative in turning ARPANET into the "information superhighway" (his term) that it is today. Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf, two people who _did_ develop much of the low-level protocols the internet used, said that "no other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time." They probably have a pretty good perspective.

>The co-founder of Greenpeace says the answer is nuclear energy, but
>the enviros won't have it. Proof in the pudding that this whole charade has
>nothing to do with the environment.

?? I'm an environmentalist, and I support nuclear power. A great many do.

>The US has the toughest laws in the world when it comes to auto-emissions.

We don't regulate CO2 emissions AT ALL, and our cars emit more CO2 than any other country.

>This was accomplished through a combination of government and
>industry initiative, something only a free market economy can achieve.

Actually it was accomplished through regulation. At the time, car companies claimed that the CARB laws would destroy the automotive market. Of course, they were wrong, and the CARB laws worked very well to reduce non-CO2 emissions.

Perhaps it's time to extend CARB (and the EPA, which often follows CARB rulings) to cover CO2 emissions. A recent Supreme Court decision stated that the EPA does indeed have the mandate to regulate CO2.

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At the time, car companies claimed that the CARB laws would destroy the automotive market.

I believe Ford, GM, and Chrysler were in agreement on this, but I know Honda didn't complain, and never have as they were periodically raised. I wonder if any of the foreign mfgrs did.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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>I believe Ford, GM, and Chrysler were in agreement on this . . .

Yep. My mistake, I should have said "US car companies." Honda was already working on the compound vortex controlled combustion engine, one of the first engines to meet the new EPA standards _without_ a catalytic converter. (Trivia - the engine was abbreviated CVCC and the car it was used in later became the Civic.)

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>The ARPANET was in full swing before he even thought about it.

Not really. ARPANET was just one networking technology; sort of a technological curiosity like Bitnet. It took the NSF installing backbones, creating the Corporation for Research and Educational Networking and InterNIC to make ARPANET (which was at its base just the TCP/IP protocol) into what we consider the Internet.

I guess it's perception of history. As I understand it, the first wide area network was established in California in 1969. NSF didn't start any real work until the 1980s. By that time, the ARPANET had already converted to TCP/IP.

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Gore got most of the NSF's funding for networking research. He didn't invent the internet, but he took a lot of the political initiative in turning ARPANET into the "information superhighway" (his term) that it is today. Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf, two people who _did_ develop much of the low-level protocols the internet used, said that "no other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time." They probably have a pretty good perspective.

That's their input. However, you and I both know that there were far more people involved in this project.

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>The co-founder of Greenpeace says the answer is nuclear energy, but
>the enviros won't have it. Proof in the pudding that this whole charade has
>nothing to do with the environment.

?? I'm an environmentalist, and I support nuclear power. A great many do.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You're the only environmentalist that walks the walk. You do not do what these other clowns do: show up in a flurry of massive resource consuming vehicles and tell everyone what to do.

I can tell you this: Once I own my own home, the first thing I'm going to do is call you to map out a plan to make it energy efficient. You're the only guy I know that knows what to do.

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>The US has the toughest laws in the world when it comes to auto-emissions.

We don't regulate CO2 emissions AT ALL, and our cars emit more CO2 than any other country.

That's because we have more cars than anybody. CO2 is not a carcinogen that CO and the other Hydrocarbons are. Without CO2, plant life cannot survive. The US still has the tightest emission regulations.

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Perhaps it's time to extend CARB (and the EPA, which often follows CARB rulings) to cover CO2 emissions. A recent Supreme Court decision stated that the EPA does indeed have the mandate to regulate CO2.

I don't see how that's possible. CO2 is the product of every type of combustion known to man.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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>True but he can keep getting crap because of the lies he is spreading daily....

So it's OK to lie about him to show he's telling lies? There's a bit of a credibility problem with that approach.

I am not lieing or exagerating. The full quote giving context of his statement is out there for all to see. His movie is for the most part is misleading or and out right lie that he knew or should have known contained false and refuted "facts" I simply chose not to address it as it is irrelavant to the thread

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>hat's their input. However, you and I both know that there were far
>more people involved in this project.

Of course. They designed the basic protocols. CERN did a lot of work on the WWW protocol. The NCSA wrote the first graphical WWW browser (Mosaic.) Gore got funding for much of it. It took a lot of effort over years to get it to where it is now.

>That's because we have more cars than anybody. CO2 is not a carcinogen
> that CO and the other Hydrocarbons are. Without CO2, plant life cannot
>survive. The US still has the tightest emission regulations.

I agree - however, this concert thing (which is a bit silly) was to raise awareness over CO2. As you know, in anything other than trace concentrations, it will kill you. Fortunately we're nowhere near that level; unfortunately, it has a lot of other effects that kick in before we get to that level.

>I don't see how that's possible. CO2 is the product of every type of
>combustion known to man.

Hydrogen burns without emitting CO2. Methane (natural gas) burns with _almost_ no CO2 emitted; the exhaust is mostly water. Increasing fuel economy reduces CO2 emissions. It would be easy to reduce CO2 emissions, but hard to completely eliminate them. Fortunately we don't have to. All we have to do is reduce our emissions of them to a level that the environment can handle through its normal methods of CO2 sequestration (like carbonate formation.)

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ON BOARD THE ACELA EXPRESS (AP) - Al Gore tried to rein in his adrenaline as the train churned between the two North American venues of his Live Earth concerts Saturday.

I heard snips and sound bytes of Mr. Gore so ...erm... ebullient.

If he was trying to rein in his adrenaline, he was doing a good job of it. He sounded so de-adrenalized in his so-called "excitement" that he must've popped about 32 quaaludes or something.

That man is death warmed over.

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
Imaginations on fire

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>hat's their input. However, you and I both know that there were far
>more people involved in this project.

Of course. They designed the basic protocols. CERN did a lot of work on the WWW protocol. The NCSA wrote the first graphical WWW browser (Mosaic.) Gore got funding for much of it. It took a lot of effort over years to get it to where it is now.

My point is that by the time the NSF got it's funding, UUNet, PSINet, etc were up and running. Private companies like BBN were enhancing the protocols for everything from URL domains to the first email using an "@" symbol.

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>That's because we have more cars than anybody. CO2 is not a carcinogen
> that CO and the other Hydrocarbons are. Without CO2, plant life cannot
>survive. The US still has the tightest emission regulations.

I agree - however, this concert thing (which is a bit silly) was to raise awareness over CO2.

From: http://www.liveearth.org/event.php
"...to trigger a global movement to solve the climate crisis. ...."

And, to boot, the emissions from the events (from all the trucks bringing in equipment and recycling containers to all the pot being smoked) probably didn't have the desired affect...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[sundevil777 102]

Why is the focus on carbon dioxide instead of methane? I thought methane was a much more effective greenhouse gas.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Sometimes settling on a single path helps in the longterm development. It might not even be the best path (was the IBM PC the best path?), but settling on a standard means that people can go farther in a single direction.

There were lots of pieces, and lots of different pieces in lots of directions. But the internet, as we know it, came in part from picking a direction and sticking with it. Tim Berners-Lee is listed as the inventor of the WWW (well, in wikipedia at least), but he used a lot of stuff that was already there, too.

Much of the time it's really about getting people to settle on a direction and start moving together in that direction.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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> Increasing fuel economy reduces CO2 emissions. It would be easy to reduce CO2 emissions, but hard to completely eliminate them. Fortunately we don't have to. All we have to do is reduce our emissions of them to a level that the environment can handle through its normal methods of CO2 sequestration (like carbonate formation.)

I had one of my classes estimate the daily production of CO2 from vehicles waiting at red traffic lights in Chicago. The consensus estimate was 2,000 tons. So I propose the elimination of traffic lights.

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I had one of my classes estimate the daily production of CO2 from vehicles waiting at red traffic lights in Chicago. The consensus estimate was 2,000 tons. So I propose the elimination of traffic lights.

And ramp lights, and car pool lanes (those empty lanes - sometimes with solo drivers in them - next to giant running parking lots)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants