dorbie 0 #1 July 3, 2007 This is a must read: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570 The guy says folks blaming foreign policy for their terrorism did their propaganda work for them and deflected analysis from the real cause; Islamic theology. That's damning and highly embarrassing for many, including more than a few posters around here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #2 July 3, 2007 He'll probably be sentenced to death ala Salman Rushdie. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #3 July 3, 2007 Thanks. He definitely undermines the belief that worldwide Jihad efforts are primarily a response to western foreign policy,... pointing out that it's about believers versus infidels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #4 July 3, 2007 Quote Thanks. He definitely undermines the belief that worldwide Jihad efforts are primarily a response to western foreign policy,... pointing out that it's about believers versus infidels. Some of us have never had any doubt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #5 July 3, 2007 His statements will be considered propaganda forced upon him by our president and followers. Regardless of how many times it is said and by people of some great authority in the Islamic Fundamentlaist world, many will never believe it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #6 July 4, 2007 Deafening silence... I just thought this needed a bump. Maybe some who disagree every time this is brought up? Where are you? I'm betting the reply, if any, is something like, "That PROPAGANDA from that RAG is not worth responding to..." Just my bet though, it might change a mind....... nahhhhhh!Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #7 July 4, 2007 QuoteDeafening silence... I just thought this needed a bump. Maybe some who disagree every time this is brought up? Where are you? I'm betting the reply, if any, is something like, "That PROPAGANDA from that RAG is not worth responding to..." Just my bet though, it might change a mind....... nahhhhhh! There were crickets chirping in here about Dr. Wafa Sultan as well. Why don't people get it? mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #8 July 4, 2007 Deafening silence... I just thought this needed a bump. Maybe some who disagree every time this is brought up? Where are you? I'm betting the reply, if any, is something like, "That PROPAGANDA from that RAG is not worth responding to..." Just my bet though, it might change a mind....... nahhhhhh! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteThere were crickets chirping in here about Dr. Wafa Sultan as well. Why don't people get it? If this man is speaking the truth, and I have no doubt that he is, it pretty well shuts down the lefts' argument of them hating us because we are the bad guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #9 July 4, 2007 Its the opinions of one person and embarrasing for nobody.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #10 July 4, 2007 QuoteIts the opinions of one person and embarrasing for nobody. It's the testimony of a former enemy who explicitly says that he and his fellow terrorists cheered every time a useful idiot in the British media and elsewhere asserted that foreign policy was the root cause of radicalism, saying it did their propaganda for them. That's not just opinion mate, and the portions that are opinion carry a lot more weight than a room full of lefties. Now why would you try to alter what the guy wrote in plain black & white available for all to read? Do the facts he attests to make you so uncomfortale about your own record that you must claim that it is all just opinion when it is not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #11 July 4, 2007 QuoteIts the opinions of one person and embarrasing for nobody. Certainly he is not the only person with first hand knowledge that has told the truth about this. Is that what you claim, that this is the first time this has happened? Some leaders of the free world already knew that the Islamofacists did not have a political demand that could be satisfied. I think that distinguishes them from some other groups that have used terrorist tactics to pursue a political objective. George Bush has a lot of faults, and has made a lot of mistakes, but having the guts to call them Islamofacists was not a mistake. He should speak out much more about the true nature of our enemy.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #12 July 4, 2007 I'm a former British soldier my record speaks for itself.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #13 July 4, 2007 Moving aside from your insinuated personal attack, we only have the word of the person in the article. Who is he? Why is he making this article and how much was he payed. This 'news story' in a comic possing as a newspaper is nothing but one persons uncooberated story? No doubt you think that its just a coincidence that of the two Glasgow wanabe suicide bombers one was an Iraqi and the other lived there for years. This 'story ' runs contary to the evidence. Also you clearly fail to notice the part where he says it was not entirely the motivation. Clearly therefore injustice in the Muslim world is a motivating factor, even this attention seeker admits that so why not just admit the bloody obvious.I find the fact that you clearly see this as an 'either/or' scenario funny and naive in equal measures. In real life things aren't balck and white, maybe you've just been away from home to long When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #14 July 4, 2007 Quote Moving aside from your insinuated personal attack What personal attack? QuoteAlso you clearly fail to notice the part where he says it was not entirely the motivation. Clearly therefore injustice in the Muslim world is a motivating factor What you clearly fail to notice is the part where so many think the Islamofacists can be satisfied if we apologize and make some minor concessions. Everyone has grievances, that is bloody obvious. What they do about them is a different matter. QuoteIn real life things aren't balck and white, I'll end this post with a quote from Islamic Rage Boy - Liberalism: Finding the gray area in a coin flipPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weezil 0 #15 July 4, 2007 QuoteDeafening silence... I just thought this needed a bump. Maybe some who disagree every time this is brought up? Where are you? I'm betting the reply, if any, is something like, "That PROPAGANDA from that RAG is not worth responding to..." umm, I think you just answered your own question. JQuoteust my bet though, it might change a mind....... nahhhhhh! I guess some of us are trying to see the bigger picture. If you want to take one article describing the opinion of one (ex)terrorist sympathiser from one tabloid newspaper, then fine. Form a big circle and slap each other on the back chanting the mantra 'we were right'. The fact you have to bump this thread to generate an even narrower response suggests your last sentiment was probably right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #16 July 4, 2007 QuoteThanks. He definitely undermines the belief that worldwide Jihad efforts are primarily a response to western foreign policy,... pointing out that it's about believers versus infidels. It has always been about that. It has been about that since before the First Crusade. Only in the modern era can the realities be twisted into something completely different.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #17 July 4, 2007 Quote Who is he? Why is he making this article and how much was he payed. This 'news story' in a comic possing as a newspaper is nothing but one persons uncooberated story? CHA CHING!! Like money in the bank! What do I win?? Quote Moving aside from your insinuated personal attack, Huh?? The guy didn't mention you at all. Why does the fact that some large groups' way of life is completely incompatible with ours make people uncomfortable?? Why avoid calling it as you see it at all costs? I can see it now... we'll be negotiated to death by someone who just can't see the forest...Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #18 July 4, 2007 QuoteI guess some of us are trying to see the bigger picture. What picture would that be? The one where we just need to volunteer to die so that we don't offend any of these nutjob jihadis? Did Joe Jihadi's mom not touch him enough as a kid? Can Dr. Phil work with those who think there's a political end to islamic terrorism to help us understand them? Is the bigger picture "peace at any cost"? No thanks. QuoteIf you want to take one article describing the opinion of one (ex)terrorist sympathiser from one tabloid newspaper, then fine. Form a big circle and slap each other on the back chanting the mantra 'we were right'. Just nice to see one paper print what many people, with more expertise in the matter than you or I, have been saying for a LONG time. Just because it's popular to say that it's the WEST'S fault that they want to kill us doesn't make it so. QuoteThe fact you have to bump this thread to generate an even narrower response suggests your last sentiment was probably right. The fact that you have no argument but to try to impeach the source suggests that you're upset that what you think may be wrong. Why not consider that and respond on a "WHAT IF this guy is for real" basis. Wouldn't that be more open-minded??Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #19 July 4, 2007 Quote Quote Who is he? Why is he making this article and how much was he payed. This 'news story' in a comic possing as a newspaper is nothing but one persons uncooberated story? CHA CHING!! Like money in the bank! What do I win?? Quote Moving aside from your insinuated personal attack, Huh?? The guy didn't mention you at all. Why does the fact that some large groups' way of life is completely incompatible with ours make people uncomfortable?? Why avoid calling it as you see it at all costs? I can see it now... we'll be negotiated to death by someone who just can't see the forest... Not everyone sees it as you see it.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #20 July 4, 2007 Why does the fact that some large groups' way of life is completely incompatible with ours make people uncomfortable?? Why avoid calling it as you see it at all costs? I can see it now... we'll be negotiated to death by someone who just can't see the forest... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteNot everyone sees it as you see it. Chamberlain didn't see it the same way Churchill did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #21 July 4, 2007 QuoteNot everyone sees it as you see it. And apparently the terrorist like that!!Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #22 July 4, 2007 >And apparently the terrorist like that!! Terrorists like terror, war, unrest and violence. It gives them a natural recruiting ground, a cause celebre to generate support for their cause and an easy to convince populace. And we are giving them everything they could ever ask for in that department in Iraq. We have the best military in the world. It is unfortunate it is being used to give terrorists what they so fervently desire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #23 July 4, 2007 According to this guy... people who claim our mid-east policy is to blame are giving them what they want. Makes a nice cover for what they really want, total annihilation of the infidels. Would it make you feel played to believe that? Or would you be willing to believe that there are different motivations on a micro and macro levels? So if Iraq is causing the terrorism, why are the British doctor Muslims bombing their own country? Did someone burn their houses down?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #24 July 4, 2007 Quote Moving aside from your insinuated personal attack, we only have the word of the person in the article. It wasn't a PA quit feeling sorry for yourself. Quote measures. In real life things aren't balck and white, maybe you've just been away from home to long Ah the old patronize the opposition ploy. The last bastian of a running leftie. I never offered a false dichotomy, that came from you. Your post reissues the same propaganda for the radicals under the guise of intellectualism, despite the information just presented that it gives succor to the murderers. It didn't take you long to filter that right out, and now we know why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #25 July 5, 2007 Nothing so blind as a neocon. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
