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Wearing a scarf and sunglasses while flaunting yourself in the prominent circles of high society isn't exactly covert.

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Please read above where the CIA waws trying to conceal her identity...

If the CIA wants your identity to remain unknown, they have the ability to make you simply disappear.

Being a blonde, she was probably playing dress up spy, anyway.

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Bush (1)

what a silly claim see also story

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Clinton (425 plus or minus)

Clinton is in fact below average in numbers among recent presidents - in several ways comparable to Ronald Reagan.


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And you know more than the DOJ about the applicability of the law?

I think we have all seen how politicized THIS DOJ is... with the numerous firings ONLY in the cases of Procecutors not willing to play the RIGHT rulebook in their prosecution.

If you are a friend of THIS administration you can get away with murder if you have the right political connections.

Then explain how Scooter got prosecuted yet Armitage didn't. Are you saying Fitzgerald was covering for Bush or just Armitage? There's certainly less love for Armitage in the Whitehouse so it just doesn't hold water.

Your case seems tennuous when it has to face these obvious contradictions.

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I wonder how many of the anti-Bush types realize that Libby's conviction does nothing to support the widely believed story that Bush & Co. intentionally outed Valerie Plame. After an extensive investigation, there is still no evidence of the charges made by Joe Wilson. Sorry guys, it was much ado about nothing.

Correct, in fact the investigation completely scuppers that theory so Libby is held up like a fig leaf to feign a scandal. It's political bullshit, I gess they really have something to talk about now with the pardon, but at least Bush showed some balls on a domestic issue for a change.

I find Wilson's actions quite despicable. Wilson and Plame have done their level best to undermine this administration all the way back to before his tea-sipping in Africa. For him to go public with the assumption that he was the only guy on the Yellowcake investigation is utter hubris made worse by his laughable 'investigation'. He thrust himself into the limelight after his wife suggested him for the gig. Christopher Hitchens has more than covered this and Iraq's attempts to buy ore in Niger. The underlying truth here has been completely obscured by this orchestrated pantomime. There's not one pundit on the goggle box making the slightest effort to get to the facts which deviate considerably from the standard dogma of Wilson's 'no Iraqi connection'.

You don't even have to look very hard:

http://www.slate.com/id/2139609/

The idea that we need incontrovertible smoking gun unassailable proof or else agree with Wilson is completely unreasonable, BUT, in spite of this there's absolutely damning evidence of a connection that makes it damn near certain Iraq was trying to obtain yellowcake from Niger as detailed by Hitchens.

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Then explain how Scooter got prosecuted yet Armitage didn't

I just heard on Rush that Fitzgerald prosecuted Marc Rich and Libby was one of his defense attorneys. Hmm...wonder if it could be vindictiveness that motivated him.

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And you know more than the DOJ about the applicability of the law?

I think we have all seen how politicized THIS DOJ is... with the numerous firings ONLY in the cases of Procecutors not willing to play the RIGHT rulebook in their prosecution.

Sort of like 93 Republican DA's fired in 1993 for political reasons?

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If you are a friend of THIS administration you can get away with murder if you have the right political connections.

Vince Foster
Ron Brown
James McDougal
Etc
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Current admin hasn't got a THING on the "Mena Mafia"...

Mike
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I wonder how many of the anti-Bush types realize that Libby's conviction does nothing to support the widely believed story that Bush & Co. intentionally outed Valerie Plame. After an extensive investigation, there is still no evidence of the charges made by Joe Wilson. Sorry guys, it was much ado about nothing.

There is a point NONE of you address.

When a covert agent is in another country working covert... they deal with people..their trade is INFORMATION from their contacts.... when the covert agent leaves all of those contacts remain there in their own countries.

When the covert agent is brought home.. then outed as having served their contry as a COVERT CIA agent...even if not currently covert.... the foreign intelligence agencies now know that this person was in their country.. and had contacts.. and now they know who to go slaughter... and poof there goes our humint in the area.. the people willing to put our interestes above that of Idi the Local Dictator.

Its a stupid fucking move that hurts our country for years to come... all for NEO CON political gain..
I thought you guys were SOOOOOO Patriotic.. how do you justify harming our country in this manner.

Sounds like Joe Wilson, Richard Armitage and Robert Novak should've kept their fucking mouths shut, then.... funny, I didn't know any of the three were neocons...

Mike
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Then explain how Scooter got prosecuted yet Armitage didn't

I just heard on Rush that Fitzgerald prosecuted Marc Rich and Libby was one of his defense attorneys. Hmm...wonder if it could be vindictiveness that motivated him.

That's old news to me. We'll never know, I find the fact that Armitagh told Fitzgerald that he was the leaker right at the start and then Fitzgerald still went on his fishing expedition highly suspicious.

I initially thought Armitage was well out of line until information on his forthright honesty damned Fitzgerald. The call in question was AFTER the info was published.

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Sounds like Joe Wilson, Richard Armitage and Robert Novak should've kept their fucking mouths shut, then.... funny, I didn't know any of the three were neocons...

Moreover there was a public interest issue here, i.e. how the hell did an unreliable self aggrandizing narcissistic tea sipping political hack like Wilson end up (as he claimed) THE investigator in the Niger yellowcake investigation. (In my opinion)

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Bush (1) Clinton (425 plus or minus)

Hmmmm; I would like to see the count in the weeks before he leaves office. Me thinks the numbers will go up more than significantly.

Clinton Pardons

Read 'em and weep. 425 pardons over a period of six years.

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Gee

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardonspres1.htm
Richard Nixon 926


Looks like he had far more crooks who were friends than did Clinton.

Oh and look Ronnie... had almost as many as Clinton... so did Ford..

And friggin CARTER... pardoning all the cowards who ran away ...rather than serve their country. ONE of the reasons I voted for Ronnie.

Gerald Ford 409
Jimmy Carter 566
Ronald Reagan 406
George Bush 77
Bill Clinton 456

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I heard earlier today that a gallup poll indicates that about 20% of Americans agree with The Decider's decision. I'm beginning to believe that they're all posting on this thread

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They are above the laws of this country..The trampling all over the Constitution for the last 6 years.. the freedom to torture ......did you EVER have a doubt???

Two words:

Marc Rich

Hypocracy abounds once again.

Are you suggesting that two wrongs make a right?

Some more words:

Caspar Weinberger
Robert McFarlane
Dick Poindexter
Ollie North
Elliot Abrams
Alan Fiers
Clair George
Duane Clarridge

Bush (1) Clinton (425 plus or minus)

Lets see, Clinton pardon several convicted terrorist, Bush has not pardoned Libby but only commutted his sentence but left the conviction in place and a $250,000 fine which in my humble oppinion is excessive.

Bush 113 to date and he still has a yr. and a half to go. Interesting lil stat here. >http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/actions_administration.htm

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I heard earlier today that a gallup poll indicates that about 20% of Americans agree with The Decider's decision.

You mean the Gallup poll from back in March, about giving Libby a full (clean record, no jail, no fine) pardon? Or are you talking about a current poll about Bush's decision, as your statement indicated?

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Sounds like Joe Wilson, Richard Armitage and Robert Novak should've kept their fucking mouths shut, then.... funny, I didn't know any of the three were neocons...

Moreover there was a public interest issue here, i.e. how the hell did an unreliable self aggrandizing narcissistic tea sipping political hack like Wilson end up (as he claimed) THE investigator in the Niger yellowcake investigation. (In my opinion)

You brought up an point from Libby's trial. It's my understanding that Wilson's wife stated on the stand that she had nothing to do with his dispatching to Niger. However, I do believe that Fitzgerald obtained copies from her office at the CIA where she requested Wilson for the task.

Nothing will come from that of course. This whole thing was a witch hunt....nothing more.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Look. Valerie Plame is clearly the victim, here. Whether or not she may have broken any laws , like perjury or lying to federal investigators (can you say Ironic?), is irrelevant.... as is the fact that her loud-mouthed husband is the one who started this whole mess.

She's the victim. Don't forget that.

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I heard earlier today that a gallup poll indicates that about 20% of Americans agree with The Decider's decision.

You mean the Gallup poll from back in March, about giving Libby a full (clean record, no jail, no fine) pardon? Or are you talking about a current poll about Bush's decision, as your statement indicated?

I'm not sure, but that's what "I heard". I wouldn't be surprised if that number that number got bigger with commutation of the jail time was the sole criteria. But honestly, if that's the case, then I'll bet that my post is probably just pre-mature. I expect a full pardon by the end of Bush's term. And it's really no big surprise. Powerful people get different treatment than the rest of us. Shit rarely flows uphill. Just ask the soldiers who have been convicted of detainee mistreatment, you know, the "few bad apples".

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Paris Hilton did more time for one misdemeanor than Libby did for 4 felonies. Our justice system is a freaking joke. I coulnd't give 2 shits about obeying 'the law' anymore. As long as I don't get caught or I have a friend who can get me off, fuck the law.

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Paris Hilton did more time for one misdemeanor than Libby did for 4 felonies. Our justice system is a freaking joke. I coulnd't give 2 shits about obeying 'the law' anymore. As long as I don't get caught or I have a friend who can get me off, fuck the law.

Paris go hosed that is for sure. Libby should have never had to go to court or even be interviewed by Fitzgerald. That is just for sure. If you give two shits about the law Fitzgerald is the dip shit that should be in court........along with the two Dem senators that were pushing the route he took

Bush did the right thing here so get used to it

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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.... as is the fact that her loud-mouthed husband is the one who started this whole mess.

Move the magnifying glass back a little more. Who started this whole mess?

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.... as is the fact that her loud-mouthed husband is the one who started this whole mess.

Move the magnifying glass back a little more. Who started this whole mess?

How far back? 9/11/01? Clinton passing up the opportunity to get Osama? The Iraq War (1991)? How about 1947? Or do you want to limit it to this (the outing of Valerie Plame) particular story?

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I heard earlier today that a gallup poll indicates that about 20% of Americans agree with The Decider's decision.

You mean the Gallup poll from back in March, about giving Libby a full (clean record, no jail, no fine) pardon? Or are you talking about a current poll about Bush's decision, as your statement indicated?

I'm not sure, but that's what "I heard".

Yeah. It seemsthat a number of media outlets are taken poll numbers from March, on what Bush should do to imply what people think after the fact.

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Paris Hilton did more time for one misdemeanor than Libby did for 4 felonies. Our justice system is a freaking joke. I coulnd't give 2 shits about obeying 'the law' anymore. As long as I don't get caught or I have a friend who can get me off, fuck the law.

Paris go hosed that is for sure. Libby should have never had to go to court or even be interviewed by Fitzgerald. That is just for sure. If you give two shits about the law Fitzgerald is the dip shit that should be in court........along with the two Dem senators that were pushing the route he took

Bush did the right thing here so get used to it

Libby is guilty of 4 felonies as decided by a jury of his peers, the very basis of our justice system. I am not surprised that you have no respect for our legal system when it comes to your cronies - your leader has instilled those values (or lack thereof) very well.

As for "getting used to it", no sir, I will not. No matter the circumstances, Libby is GUILTY, and should do the time for the crime.

Lucky for me, the county judge is a fraternity brother of mine. Time to go fuck some shit up!!! Wheeee!! Fuck the law!!!!!

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.... as is the fact that her loud-mouthed husband is the one who started this whole mess.

Move the magnifying glass back a little more. Who started this whole mess?

How far back? 9/11/01? Clinton passing up the opportunity to get Osama? The Iraq War (1991)? How about 1947? Or do you want to limit it to this (the outing of Valerie Plame) particular story?

How about the disinformation from the people which was used to get us into a pre-meditated war in Iraq?
Wasn't that why Wilson wrote his piece?

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.... as is the fact that her loud-mouthed husband is the one who started this whole mess.

Move the magnifying glass back a little more. Who started this whole mess?

How far back? 9/11/01? Clinton passing up the opportunity to get Osama? The Iraq War (1991)? How about 1947? Or do you want to limit it to this (the outing of Valerie Plame) particular story?

How about the disinformation from the people which was used to get us into a pre-meditated war in Iraq?
Wasn't that why Wilson wrote his piece?

Joe Wilson has shown himself to be real standup guy, with only the best interests of this country in mind. It's not like he's been shown to have a particular bias or that his character has been called into question or that the accuracy of that article has been questioned.