Libby Spared

[dorbie 0]

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As a non-american, let me see if I understand it.

So a President can free aides who are convicted for obstruction of justice, which they committed to ensure that said President or his VP are not implicated in a scandal/unlawful action?

Isn't this a huge hole in the principle of seperation of power in the US?

Except that you now KNOW the leak came from Armitage .

It is in the constitution, the President can pardon or commute the sentence for anything except impeachment. It is one of his executive powers.

The first presidential pardons ever issues were to vacate sound convictions for treason.

[dorbie 0]

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The answer to your immediate question is: Yes. A sitting President may pardon or commute the sentence of any individual. I'm not aware of any exception.

Impeachment is the one exception.

[dorbie 0]

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I would like to know if he is still able to continue his appeal. I'm guessing yes.

Yes, this was to keep him out of jail because it was ruled that confinement could not wait on his pending appeal.

[akarunway 1]

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As a non-american, let me see if I understand it.

So a President can free aides who are convicted for obstruction of justice, which they committed to ensure that said President or his VP are not implicated in a scandal/unlawful action?

Isn't this a huge hole in the principle of seperation of power in the US?

Yes it is. And all presidents pardon many before they leave office. Usually friends or friends of friends. I'll say most prezs. Not sure of the track record. Money and influence go a long way.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[mnealtx 0]

Yup, there tends to be pardons done at the last minute.

See my post about "interesting reading", above. It shows Clinton's pardons, but there's also links to other Presidents' pardons and commutations...

Ole Bubba Jeff sure did pardon a lot of coke dealers.... guess he was trying to keep Mena above water, financially!!

Mike
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[willard 0]

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As a non-american, let me see if I understand it.

So a President can free aides who are convicted for obstruction of justice, which they committed to ensure that said President or his VP are not implicated in a scandal/unlawful action?

Isn't this a huge hole in the principle of seperation of power in the US?

The answer to your immediate question is: Yes. A sitting President may pardon or commute the sentence of any individual. I'm not aware of any exception.

To answer the context of your question: There was no unlawful action on the part of the people whom this aide worked with. There was no unlawful leak. The Vice-President didn't cover anything up. The President didn't cover anything up. In fact, the person who "leaked" the name, Richard Armitage, didn't cover anything up either (so much so that he was charged with nothing in violation of any law).

Scooter Libby was convicted of lying to a prosecutor. His conviction stands, his fine stands, his prison term was commuted.

I would like to know if he is still able to continue his appeal. I'm guessing yes.

I guess lying to a prosecutor is worse than lying to a Grand Jury since Libby got jail time (commuted) and a fine, but that POS Bill Clinton, who brought more shame to the office than all others combined, only got his wrist slapped and we are all supposed to kiss his ass afterwards.

[kallend 2,125]

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As a non-american, let me see if I understand it.

So a President can free aides who are convicted for obstruction of justice, which they committed to ensure that said President or his VP are not implicated in a scandal/unlawful action?

Isn't this a huge hole in the principle of seperation of power in the US?

The answer to your immediate question is: Yes. A sitting President may pardon or commute the sentence of any individual. I'm not aware of any exception.

To answer the context of your question: There was no unlawful action on the part of the people whom this aide worked with. There was no unlawful leak. The Vice-President didn't cover anything up. The President didn't cover anything up. In fact, the person who "leaked" the name, Richard Armitage, didn't cover anything up either (so much so that he was charged with nothing in violation of any law).

Scooter Libby was convicted of lying to a prosecutor. His conviction stands, his fine stands, his prison term was commuted.

I would like to know if he is still able to continue his appeal. I'm guessing yes.

I guess lying to a prosecutor is worse than lying to a Grand Jury since Libby got jail time (commuted) and a fine, but that POS Bill Clinton, who brought more shame to the office than all others combined, only got his wrist slapped and we are all supposed to kiss his ass afterwards.

Well, then there was Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon.

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I know we are both too old to see how this all plays out in 50 years or so of who was the worst president in our history.. but my money is on Bush to be the hands down favorite in the biggest loser catagory and turn out to be the worst the USA ever had. He is so far ahead in the incompetence and lying column.. no one else even stands a chance.

[sundevil777 102]

I think Bush should have had the guts to criticize the special prosecutor, and should have pardoned him from the fines.

We've had so many threads on the merit/lack of merit of this case. Plame and her husband outed her, and she also lied about how her husband got the job to check out Niger, prosecution witnesses did not even agree on the facts, blah, blah.

I understand that Bush haters wanted the case to bring down the whole administration, but it was not anything of the sort that would do that. It is not only conservatives that think the whole case should have been dropped before it ever got to a grand jury, some very respectable liberal journalists and political commentators were able to see this case for what is was, and what it wasn't. Some others can't see past their hatred for Bush.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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... Some others can't see past their hatred for Bush.

Hatred for Bush is not required to see that this stinks. Love of the US will suffice.

The pardons were the thing I liked least about the Clinton presidential actions.

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Some others can't see past their hatred for Bush.

Isnt that getting to be a bit tired.... the right wing saying that anyone that thinks Bush is an incompetent and a liar is filled with hate???

Didnt that crap start on right wing HATE radio... to bludegeon anyone not RIGHT THINKING enough for the religious wrong???

Sheesh.. all that persecuition complex sure must hurt now that Bush has let so many of you down with his performance... or lack of performance to make the country over into a right wing wet dream.

Why does the right wing hate our country so much??

[willard 0]

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As a non-american, let me see if I understand it.

So a President can free aides who are convicted for obstruction of justice, which they committed to ensure that said President or his VP are not implicated in a scandal/unlawful action?

Isn't this a huge hole in the principle of seperation of power in the US?

The answer to your immediate question is: Yes. A sitting President may pardon or commute the sentence of any individual. I'm not aware of any exception.

To answer the context of your question: There was no unlawful action on the part of the people whom this aide worked with. There was no unlawful leak. The Vice-President didn't cover anything up. The President didn't cover anything up. In fact, the person who "leaked" the name, Richard Armitage, didn't cover anything up either (so much so that he was charged with nothing in violation of any law).

Scooter Libby was convicted of lying to a prosecutor. His conviction stands, his fine stands, his prison term was commuted.

I would like to know if he is still able to continue his appeal. I'm guessing yes.

I guess lying to a prosecutor is worse than lying to a Grand Jury since Libby got jail time (commuted) and a fine, but that POS Bill Clinton, who brought more shame to the office than all others combined, only got his wrist slapped and we are all supposed to kiss his ass afterwards.

Well, then there was Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon.

Even Tricky Dick's actions were tame compared to Slick Willy.

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[akarunway 1]

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As a non-american, let me see if I understand it.

So a President can free aides who are convicted for obstruction of justice, which they committed to ensure that said President or his VP are not implicated in a scandal/unlawful action?

Isn't this a huge hole in the principle of seperation of power in the US?

The answer to your immediate question is: Yes. A sitting President may pardon or commute the sentence of any individual. I'm not aware of any exception.

To answer the context of your question: There was no unlawful action on the part of the people whom this aide worked with. There was no unlawful leak. The Vice-President didn't cover anything up. The President didn't cover anything up. In fact, the person who "leaked" the name, Richard Armitage, didn't cover anything up either (so much so that he was charged with nothing in violation of any law).

Scooter Libby was convicted of lying to a prosecutor. His conviction stands, his fine stands, his prison term was commuted.

I would like to know if he is still able to continue his appeal. I'm guessing yes.

I guess lying to a prosecutor is worse than lying to a Grand Jury since Libby got jail time (commuted) and a fine, but that POS Bill Clinton, who brought more shame to the office than all others combined, only got his wrist slapped and we are all supposed to kiss his ass afterwards.

Well, then there was Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon.

Even Tricky Dick's actions were tame compared to Slick Willy.

You have tobe kidding right? Burglary and more vs. lying about a BJ. Ever read any of these guys books? > John Dean (White House counsel)
H.R. Haldeman (President's Chief of Staff)
John Erlichman (Senior Aide to President)
John Mitchell (Attorney General)
G. Gordon Liddy
Charles Colson

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[billvon 3,090]

>Even Tricky Dick's actions were tame compared to Slick Willy.

Of course. Why even today, we are going after people who just broke into places and stole a few minor insignificant things. We should let those minor miscreants be and instead concentrate on the real threat - hardened, deadly felons who got blowjobs and lied to someone about it!

[sundevil777 102]

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>Even Tricky Dick's actions were tame compared to Slick Willy.

Of course. Why even today, we are going after people who just broke into places and stole a few minor insignificant things. We should let those minor miscreants be and instead concentrate on the real threat - hardened, deadly felons who got blowjobs and lied to someone about it!

Perhaps willard was referring to Slick Willy's pardons. Perhaps you remember the pardongate scandal. Willy was accused of trading pardons and commutations for campaign cash and library donations. Basically that means bribery.

Clinton didn't just get a blowjob and lie about it, he was accused of rape, sexual imposition, and sexual harrasment. His perjury was related to his attempt to avoid the appearance of a pattern that would have helped the prosecution on the Jones' lawsuit involving imposition and harrasment.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[billvon 3,090]

>Clinton didn't just get a blowjob and lie about it, he was accused of
>rape, sexual imposition, and sexual harrasment.

Heck, I bet if you dug enough, every president in the past 50 years has been accused of equally nefarious things by someone. Why, I heard recently that GWB was really behind the 9/11 attacks!

Fortunately, what matters here in the US is what the justice system convicts you of - not what people claim you did.

[sundevil777 102]

I understand that you'd like to have everyone accept that the accusations against Clinton were as credible as Bush planning the 9/11 attacks, but it isn't so.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[TheAnvil 0]

All of you left wingers angry about this, need to do something.

Express outrage that another perjurer, William J. Clinton, did not get any prison time for his crime OR stop bemoaning the commutation of Mr. Libby's sentence. Or you can not express such outrage, keep bemoaning this commutation of Mr. Libby's sentence AND go to a mirror, look into it, and say HYPOCRITE over and over again.

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[akarunway 1]

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All of you left wingers angry about this, need to do something.

Express outrage that another perjurer, William J. Clinton, did not get any prison time for his crime OR stop bemoaning the commutation of Mr. Libby's sentence. Or you can not express such outrage, keep bemoaning this commutation of Mr. Libby's sentence AND go to a mirror, look into it, and say HYPOCRITE over and over again.

Hey. I'm slightly left of center and what Bill Clinton did pissed me off, degrading the Oval office and all. But I think What Nixon did (and I rode ten miles on my bicycle as a cub scout to shake his hand in 68) and what Bush is doing to the office andd this country is far more serious IMO. History will tell. We'll see.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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But I think What Nixon did (and I rode ten miles on my bicycle as a cub scout to shake his hand in 68)

Hey I voted for him ....My very first vote for a President...and felt really betrayed by his actions with the burglary and coverups and tapes.

I voted for Regan.. and he betrayed us all by negotiating with the terrorists.... allowing Ollie et al to run their trash in contravention of our laws.

At least I dids not vote for this fucknegget that so many around here will defend to their dieing day as being a good president

[akarunway 1]

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But I think What Nixon did (and I rode ten miles on my bicycle as a cub scout to shake his hand in 68)

Hey I voted for him ....My very first vote for a President...and felt really betrayed by his actions with the burglary and coverups and tapes.

I voted for Regan.. and he betrayed us all by negotiating with the terrorists.... allowing Ollie et al to run their trash in contravention of our laws.

At least I dids not vote for this fucknegget that so many around here will defend to their dieing day as being a good president

Damn. You are old.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Damn. You are old.

Dont forget decrepit too....

[Casurf1978 0]

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Damn. You are old.

Whenever I say that to my folks their reply is:

El diablo sabe más por viejo que por diablo.

Roughly translated to:

The Devil knows more because he is old than because he is the Devil

[Royd 0]

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Notice all the firings that took place for her getting outed

She wasn't covert, so she couldn't be outed.It's very simple.

If she were covert, how did the world know? A conundrum, I think.