Libby Spared

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Joe Wilson has shown himself to be real standup guy, with only the best interests of this country in mind. It's not like he's been shown to have a particular bias or that his character has been called into question or that the accuracy of that article has been questioned.

Yeah that really sucks that he will not get onboard and follow THE DECIDER without questioning or dissenting.... hell... that borders on treason in the Deciders mind.

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Joe Wilson has shown himself to be real standup guy, with only the best interests of this country in mind. It's not like he's been shown to have a particular bias or that his character has been called into question or that the accuracy of that article has been questioned.

And how is it that the above doesn't apply to the people who got us into this war in the first place?

Basically, Wilson and all of the other people who pointed out that the Bush administration's justification for war was based on crap and that "the intelligence was being fixed around the policy", have been proven to be right.

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Joe Wilson has shown himself to be real standup guy, with only the best interests of this country in mind. It's not like he's been shown to have a particular bias or that his character has been called into question or that the accuracy of that article has been questioned.

Yeah that really sucks that he will not get onboard and follow THE DECIDER without questioning or dissenting.... hell... that borders on treason in the Deciders mind.

What are you saying? That is okay to tell a bunch of lies and make unsubstantiated charges if your heart is in the right place?

Or are you just sidestepping the obvious?

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Joe Wilson has shown himself to be real standup guy, with only the best interests of this country in mind. It's not like he's been shown to have a particular bias or that his character has been called into question or that the accuracy of that article has been questioned.

And how is it that the above doesn't apply to the people who got us into this war in the first place?

As far as I'm concerned, it should apply to all of them. I've never said anything to the contrary, despite what some on this site might claim.

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Basically, Wilson and all of the other people who pointed out that the Bush administration's justification for war was based on crap and that "the intelligence was being fixed around the policy", have been proven to be right.

Basically, Wilson has made a bunch of bullshit claims that have been discredited.

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You imply that you've never come to the conclusion that someone was unfairly convicted, or a victim of prosecutorial misconduct.

The crime of Perjury is full of opportunity for prosecutors to abuse their power. Key prosecution witnesses had conflicting testimony, Fitzgerald didn't want to end the investigation when the original purpose was satisfied, so he manufactured a case against a previous adversary.

I like how Fred Thompson has the guts to plainly say he would pardon Libby. No Fear.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Paris Hilton did more time for one misdemeanor than Libby did for 4 felonies. Our justice system is a freaking joke. I coulnd't give 2 shits about obeying 'the law' anymore. As long as I don't get caught or I have a friend who can get me off, fuck the law.

Paris go hosed that is for sure. Libby should have never had to go to court or even be interviewed by Fitzgerald. That is just for sure. If you give two shits about the law Fitzgerald is the dip shit that should be in court........along with the two Dem senators that were pushing the route he took

Bush did the right thing here so get used to it

Libby is guilty of 4 felonies as decided by a jury of his peers, the very basis of our justice system. I am not surprised that you have no respect for our legal system when it comes to your cronies - your leader has instilled those values (or lack thereof) very well.

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It does not surprise me you don't get it. That is because YOU DON"T WANT TO GET IT becaue of your "I hate Bush" syndrom. Day One of the investigation Fitzgeral learns two things. Listen close now.

1 Armatige is the one who gave Plames name to Novak
2 Plame was not covert and therefore she was not Outed.

So, given this, why would the investigation (and that investigation was to find out who outed Plame), continue???

You give me a solid answer the that one and I will start to think about Libby and his "felonies"

Adding to this is the fact that the "charge" was based on recolection of a conversation between Libby and Rusert? Who says Russert is not the lier here.


Fitzgerald should be going to the same cell block as the one in the Duke rape case.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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You imply that you've never come to the conclusion that someone was unfairly convicted, or a victim of prosecutorial misconduct.

The crime of Perjury is full of opportunity for prosecutors to abuse their power. Key prosecution witnesses had conflicting testimony, Fitzgerald didn't want to end the investigation when the original purpose was satisfied, so he manufactured a case against a previous adversary.And this took place MONTHS after he found out there was no crime and who did speak Plames name!! This is no different than the Duke case. Fitzgerald is the one that should be going to jail

I like how Fred Thompson has the guts to plainly say he would pardon Libby. No Fear.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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"Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.", CIA unclassified document filed 5/29/2007 with the Libby trial court

That doesn't seem to agree with their outing themselves. It was commonly known because of their own actions.

Despite the assertion from the CIA document, the woman that wrote the Covert Intelligence Act has asserted that the supposed outing of plame by Novak caused by Armitage/Libby/et al didn't qualify as a violation of that law.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Libby is GUILTY, as found by a jury of his peers, and nothing you can say or do can change that. The only one who can, and probably will, is the man with the very least respect for our Constitution and justice system, ironically, sitting at the very pinnacle of government.

The man, and all his cronies are and forever will be a DISGRACE to this nation. The multiple scandals and criminal cover-up of this administration, as aptly stated by John Dean, the Karl Rove of his day, are truly "worse then Watergate".

The one thing that I can get from all of this, is that the further this swing to the right under this administration, the further the backlash to the left will eventually be. The more the new shitbag supreme court fucks the little guy, the more a new congress and president will pass new laws to usurp their power. The more power the president grabs now, the more power Hillary will have to yield against the right when the time comes.

And when Hillary is the president, I hope she wields that power like a sword. I hope she breaks the rules and laws as much as this administration has to swing the country back to the middle, no matter the means.

And when that happens, I don't what to hear your freaking whining.

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Basically, Wilson has made a bunch of bullshit claims that have been discredited.

Well, when he said that the administration was selling us a bunch of crap, he wasn't discredited. When he, as he put it "misspoke" about the forged documents and the CIA, he was discredited. Interestingly enough, his statement about the forgeries was correct and the CIA had told the administration not to use the yellowcake claim. So yea, he was wrong when he was right

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Libby is GUILTY, as found by a jury of his peers, and nothing you can say or do can change that. The only one who can, and probably will, is the man with the very least respect for our Constitution and justice system, ironically, sitting at the very pinnacle of government.

The man, and all his cronies are and forever will be a DISGRACE to this nation. The multiple scandals and criminal cover-up of this administration, as aptly stated by John Dean, the Karl Rove of his day, are truly "worse then Watergate".

The one thing that I can get from all of this, is that the further this swing to the right under this administration, the further the backlash to the left will eventually be. The more the new shitbag supreme court fucks the little guy, the more a new congress and president will pass new laws to usurp their power. The more power the president grabs now, the more power Hillary will have to yield against the right when the time comes.

And when Hillary is the president, I hope she wields that power like a sword. I hope she breaks the rules and laws as much as this administration has to swing the country back to the middle, no matter the means.

And when that happens, I don't what to hear your freaking whining.

You can not give a good answer to the question. Speaks volumes

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Paris Hilton did more time for one misdemeanor than Libby did for 4 felonies. Our justice system is a freaking joke. I coulnd't give 2 shits about obeying 'the law' anymore. As long as I don't get caught or I have a friend who can get me off, fuck the law.

Paris go hosed that is for sure. Libby should have never had to go to court or even be interviewed by Fitzgerald. That is just for sure. If you give two shits about the law Fitzgerald is the dip shit that should be in court........along with the two Dem senators that were pushing the route he took

Bush did the right thing here so get used to it

I heard someone refer to what happened to Mr. Libby as "getting Nifong-ed"...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Paris Hilton did more time for one misdemeanor than Libby did for 4 felonies. Our justice system is a freaking joke. I coulnd't give 2 shits about obeying 'the law' anymore. As long as I don't get caught or I have a friend who can get me off, fuck the law.

Paris go hosed that is for sure. Libby should have never had to go to court or even be interviewed by Fitzgerald. That is just for sure. If you give two shits about the law Fitzgerald is the dip shit that should be in court........along with the two Dem senators that were pushing the route he took

Bush did the right thing here so get used to it

I heard someone refer to what happened to Mr. Libby as "getting Nifong-ed"...

A new Verb!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I will ask yet again

Why would the investigation continue after Fitzgerald found out who gave Novak Plames name and that giving it out was not crimial

Why?

After all, this all was known to Fitzgerald on the FIRST day of the invetingation? Libby was not deposed for months.

Why? Why?

Come on, you can do it just breath and relax. The truth can set you free

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I will ask yet again

Why would the investigation continue after Fitzgerald found out who gave Novak Plames name and that giving it out was not crimial

Why?

After all, this all was known to Fitzgerald on the FIRST day of the invetingation? Libby was not deposed for months.

Why? Why?

Come on, you can do it just breath and relax. The truth can set you free

I don't freaking care - that's why. The man was found guilty by a jury trial, and his sentence was eliminated. You or I would rot in jail for years if convicted of much lesser crimes.

Remember, no whining in '08!!!

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I will ask yet again

Why would the investigation continue after Fitzgerald found out who gave Novak Plames name and that giving it out was not crimial

Why?

After all, this all was known to Fitzgerald on the FIRST day of the invetingation? Libby was not deposed for months.

Why? Why?

Come on, you can do it just breath and relax. The truth can set you free

I don't freaking care - that's why. The man was found guilty by a jury trial, and his sentence was eliminated. You or I would rot in jail for years if convicted of much lesser crimes.

Remember, no whining in '08!!!

OK, I will tell you why ( and I know you know why). This was politcal pay back. Nothing more. You speak of the powers and seperation well, why then are you not outraged at the Senator that ran (behind the sences) the investigation?

I can answer that too. You hate Bush. This Bush hatred syndrom destroyes logical thought and it is being proven daily.

But I will give you another chance. Why would the investigation continue??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But I will give you another chance. Why would the investigation continue??

And I will say again - that is immateriial. He was convicted. Anything else gets into speculation. A jury believed, beyond a reasonable doubt, that 4 felonies were committed. For that, the man should spend at least a few days behind bars.

You cannot hold ANY respect for our justice system if you throw out the juries' decision in this case.

If a murderer is convicted you don't ask why there was an investigation in the first place - you LOCK HIS ASS UP.

But that's OK - when Hillary pardons Al Gore for anally raping the Bush twins, I don't want to hear the whining. Fair enough?

OK? OK.

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I heard someone refer to what happened to Mr. Libby as "getting Nifong-ed"...

A new Verb!!!

And I'm sure that it will get a lot of airplay, regardless of how much of a misnomer it is.
Nifong withheld evidence. Fitzgerald asked more questions than some would like. Libby lied and obstructed and got convicted. He also got nearly the exact same sentence as someone who did nearly the exact same thing, according to the SCOTUS. Look up Victor Rita. So Bush's claim is that the jail time was excessive, but only in Libby's case. It wouldn't be the first time Bush has cherry picked. It really doesn't matter, other than looking smarmy, that he commuted the sentence. He can legally do it if he wants to and he'll most probably finish off with a full pardon. My only question is about Rove. Everyone's all over Armitage about running his mouth but Rove does the same thing and gets a pass.

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I heard someone refer to what happened to Mr. Libby as "getting Nifong-ed"...

A new Verb!!!

And I'm sure that it will get a lot of airplay, regardless of how much of a misnomer it is.
Nifong withheld evidence. Fitzgerald asked more questions than some would like. Libby lied and obstructed and got convicted. He also got nearly the exact same sentence as someone who did nearly the exact same thing, according to the SCOTUS. Look up Victor Rita. So Bush's claim is that the jail time was excessive, but only in Libby's case. It wouldn't be the first time Bush has cherry picked. It really doesn't matter, other than looking smarmy, that he commuted the sentence. He can legally do it if he wants to and he'll most probably finish off with a full pardon. My only question is about Rove. Everyone's all over Armitage about running his mouth but Rove does the same thing and gets a pass.

You will get over it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But I will give you another chance. Why would the investigation continue??

And I will say again - that is immateriial. He was convicted. Anything else gets into speculation. A jury believed, beyond a reasonable doubt, that 4 felonies were committed. For that, the man should spend at least a few days behind bars.

You cannot hold ANY respect for our justice system if you throw out the juries' decision in this case.

If a murderer is convicted you don't ask why there was an investigation in the first place - you LOCK HIS ASS UP.

But that's OK - when Hillary pardons Al Gore for anally raping the Bush twins, I don't want to hear the whining. Fair enough?

OK? OK.

It is only imaterial because the answer makes those agreeing with you look foolish and partisen.

I get it.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But I will give you another chance. Why would the investigation continue??

And I will say again - that is immateriial. He was convicted. Anything else gets into speculation. A jury believed, beyond a reasonable doubt, that 4 felonies were committed. For that, the man should spend at least a few days behind bars.

You cannot hold ANY respect for our justice system if you throw out the juries' decision in this case.

If a murderer is convicted you don't ask why there was an investigation in the first place - you LOCK HIS ASS UP.

But that's OK - when Hillary pardons Al Gore for anally raping the Bush twins, I don't want to hear the whining. Fair enough?

OK? OK.

It is only imaterial because the answer makes those agreeing with you look foolish and partisen.

I get it.....

And how does dismissing a jury verdict make your people look? I'll tell you - It makes you look like the type of people who talk about "rule of law" until it is your guy on the chopping block. It makes you look like the type who will protect criminals at all costs if they are YOUR criminals.

It's the Rush Limbaugh mentality - advocate crucifying drug addicts while you yourself are a drug addict. ie. Hypocrisy.

The fact is, Libby was free to flaunt and disrespect the law because he knew that he had a get out of jail free card waiting for him.

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My only question is about Rove. Everyone's all over Armitage about running his mouth but Rove does the same thing and gets a pass.

What are you talking about? "Everyone is all over Armitage"? Who? Are people calling for him to be prosecuted?

And what it is the Rove does? Outing (arguably) covert agents? Which agents?

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But I will give you another chance. Why would the investigation continue??

And I will say again - that is immateriial. He was convicted. Anything else gets into speculation. A jury believed, beyond a reasonable doubt, that 4 felonies were committed. For that, the man should spend at least a few days behind bars.

You cannot hold ANY respect for our justice system if you throw out the juries' decision in this case.

If a murderer is convicted you don't ask why there was an investigation in the first place - you LOCK HIS ASS UP.

But that's OK - when Hillary pardons Al Gore for anally raping the Bush twins, I don't want to hear the whining. Fair enough?

OK? OK.

It is only imaterial because the answer makes those agreeing with you look foolish and partisen.

I get it.....

And how does dismissing a jury verdict make your people look? I'll tell you - It makes you look like the type of people who talk about "rule of law" until it is your guy on the chopping block. It makes you look like the type who will protect criminals at all costs if they are YOUR criminals.

It's the Rush Limbaugh mentality - advocate crucifying drug addicts while you yourself are a drug addict. ie. Hypocrisy.

The fact is, Libby was free to flaunt and disrespect the law because he knew that he had a get out of jail free card waiting for him.

You just keep proving it don't you?? I get it and I know you can't (or won't)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But that's OK - when Hillary pardons Al Gore for anally raping the Bush twins, I don't want to hear the whining. Fair enough?

Where does that kind of hate come from?

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[The fact is, Libby was free to flaunt and disrespect the law because he knew that he had a get out of jail free card waiting for him.

Or perhaps he had a poor recollection of a brief conversation from several years ago.

You seem pretty pissed about this pardon. Do you think we should do away with this executive privilege?