kallend 2,150 #26 July 4, 2007 QuoteActually, there's studies that show that a mandatory minimum wage actually HURTS the lowest earning people. Businesses tend to lay off the lowest skilled people when that happens, or not hire as many people as planned due to the extra expense. That's what was claimed would happen in Florida when they raised the minimum wage there. Didn't happen.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 July 4, 2007 QuoteQuoteActually, there's studies that show that a mandatory minimum wage actually HURTS the lowest earning people. Businesses tend to lay off the lowest skilled people when that happens, or not hire as many people as planned due to the extra expense. That's what was claimed would happen in Florida when they raised the minimum wage there. Didn't happen. Lack of proof in one instance doesn't make the study invalid. I know of smaller businesses in the Dallas area that had to lay off / cancel hires due to the minimum wage increases.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #28 July 4, 2007 Quote the economy is in such bad shape that's twice you've mentioned this. please tell why you think this. i'm no economist, but i don't see this. my 401k has performed well in the last few years. my wife's ira hasn't done stellar, but has still grown. our house has appreciated abour 17% in two years. unemployment is low, and high gas prices haven't kept people out of the malls. the dow is around 13,500. please educate me. as far as immigration, i feel the most important thing is to know who we have coming into this country. that is vital to our security. i'm all for people coming here for work or a better life, but they need to do it legally. we have a responsibility to do 2 things. the first is to enforce the laws and hold the companies that hire illegals accountable, no jobs for illegals = less illegals. the second is to provide a reasonable path to citizenship and a reasonable way for people to come here to work legally. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RALFFERS 0 #29 July 5, 2007 QuoteQuote the economy is in such bad shape that's twice you've mentioned this. please tell why you think this. i'm no economist, but i don't see this. my 401k has performed well in the last few years. my wife's ira hasn't done stellar, but has still grown. our house has appreciated abour 17% in two years. unemployment is low, and high gas prices haven't kept people out of the malls. the dow is around 13,500. please educate me. OK, I'm not an economist either, but here is what I see... Our national deficit only keeps going down; I really wanted to avoid railing on Bush, but that is not entirely possible...no president has ever spent the amount of money he has on a any one cause, much less a futile one. I don't have exact figures, but it is beyond billions. We're going to run out of solders before this war is over. Now, don't miss understand me; I have the deepest respect and debt of gratitude to those who fight for our freedom-I just have a bone to pick with those sending them out there. In terms of your house going up in value 17%...don't let that fool you...our house increased by $150,000 in one year, but what good does it do me if no one is buying? My sister is a loan officer, who not too long ago was making about $2-300,000 a year; O don't know what she makes now, but it's not pretty... Also, I'm an insurance agent....and I can't tell you the number of contractors I see that bitch and moan every time we see them; the market is in a standstill, therefore the house that are built are not selling, which means there is no need to build new ones, equaling no work for contractors. Lastly,-the stock market. Again, I'm no expert, but things are certainly worse now than they were a few years back. In terms of immigration, allow me to correct myself; I didn't mean so much that illegals should be allowed to work (although that would help, so long as they pay their taxes). The question of the poll was should immigration laws be changed? What I would like to see is the possibility of immigrants being to come here legally, and have the choice of staying here legally, if they choose, for sake of a better life. Having said all that that-could I be more informed on the subject....? Yes. as far as immigration, i feel the most important thing is to know who we have coming into this country. that is vital to our security. I'm all for people coming here for work or a better life, but they need to do it legally. we have a responsibility to do 2 things. the first is to enforce the laws and hold the companies that hire illegals accountable, no jobs for illegals = less illegals. the second is to provide a reasonable path to citizenship and a reasonable way for people to come here to work legally. Quoteas far as immigration, i feel the most important thing is to know who we have coming into this country. that is vital to our security. i'm all for people coming here for work or a better life No argument there; I agree with you wholeheartedly.Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #30 July 5, 2007 QuoteQuote the economy is in such bad shape that's twice you've mentioned this. please tell why you think this. i'm no economist, but i don't see this. my 401k has performed well in the last few years. my wife's ira hasn't done stellar, but has still grown. our house has appreciated abour 17% in two years. unemployment is low, and high gas prices haven't kept people out of the malls. the dow is around 13,500. please educate me. . Let's hope your home keeps its appreciated value, foreclosures are WAY up and the market is stagnant:www.cnbc.com/id/19193611 The Dow represents a very small percentage of stocks. Consumers may be buying, but consumer debt is at record levels, and the US trade balance is at a record negative. The $US has fallen in value. Companies are taking high paying jobs offshore as fast as they can.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #31 July 6, 2007 As for the increase in the cost of produce, is it just the lack of 'cheap' labor or the fact that the sudden demand for ethanol has caused the price of corn to sky-rocket? Hail, drought, flooding also cause an increase in the cost of produce at the market. Just a thought. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #32 July 6, 2007 Hay has become a scarce and expensive commodity around here, farmers in Illinoistan, have screwed the hay fields under and instead planted corn. One crop went to waste, and possibly another. It is not like Illinoistan did not have enough corn fields. also growing corn again two years in a row is not such a great idea. Alternating soybeans and corn keeps fields fertile, now with corn so high in price there will be ALOT of anhydrous ammonia put down, and that gets there how? it gets trucked in, and then a tractor buring diesel has to burn more fuel to apply it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #33 July 6, 2007 QuoteAs for the increase in the cost of produce, is it just the lack of 'cheap' labor or the fact that the sudden demand for ethanol has caused the price of corn to sky-rocket? Hail, drought, flooding also cause an increase in the cost of produce at the market. Just a thought. Chuck The price of corn has fallen 20 per cent in the last month, at it's lowest prices for the year. Conversely, Soybeans made a new three year high on Tuesday. It seems the herd mentality produced unintended consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #34 July 6, 2007 Tell me about the price of hay!!! It's doubled in the last year. I have to have it for my horse so, I pay the price. Crop rotation, has been a good idea for a lot of years and many farmers learned the hard way. I hauled enough grain, to know the rest of the story.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #35 July 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteAs for the increase in the cost of produce, is it just the lack of 'cheap' labor or the fact that the sudden demand for ethanol has caused the price of corn to sky-rocket? Hail, drought, flooding also cause an increase in the cost of produce at the market. Just a thought. Chuck The price of corn has fallen 20 per cent in the last month, at it's lowest prices for the year. Conversely, Soybeans made a new three year high on Tuesday. It seems the herd mentality produced unintended consequences. ______________________________________ Probably because the price of corn was so high that farmers and ranchers went to an alternate feed source. No, with soybeans so high, they may go back to corn. They have to feed their livestock 'something' in the times of drought when the grass dries-up. They've got to have the feed or go bust. They really, have no control over grain prices. I'm not clear on 'herd mentality'... new one on me! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
