1969912 0 #1 June 30, 2007 Sure hope the machines are either locked up or under guard at all times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EowKalRT3lc "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 June 30, 2007 No youtube for .mil! Tongue in cheek, I'll say that the electronic vote fraud the Dems have screamed about for the last few years MUST be bogus, since the evil vote-stealing Republicans and their lackeys at Diebold would NEVER have let the Dems win.... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #3 June 30, 2007 Just another conspiracy. The vid showed three guys working at the same time unscrew the cabinet and swap 2 or 3 socketed ROMs. I would have assumed that important components like ROM would have a some kind of encrypted hash value burned in so that it would only work in one specific machine and be hard to duplicate. This is where I actually saw the video. The link may use a route that will get past .mil. http://www.hackaday.com/page/2/ "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 June 30, 2007 I appreciate the gesture of finding another way for me to see the vid, but I'm not having any site with the word "hack" in it show up on my site access log!! Appreciate the description of the video - I would think there would be some sort of encryption involved, as you say. Seems pretty stupid if there's not. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #5 June 30, 2007 Good thing the allow you to access "safe" sites like this "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 June 30, 2007 Man... there's no rhyme nor reason to some of the stuff they block...and some that's allowed.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjiimmyyt 0 #7 June 30, 2007 The only way e-voting can be regarded as valid is if the software, firmware and silicon are open to public inspection. Don't get me wrong, I'm a techie through and through, but if you cant audit the process due to commercial sensitivity then it has no valid reason to be involved in elections. Imagine if they still counted papers and said, sorry, we cant tell you our methods, we used base X which is commercialy sensitve. You tell them to fuck off surely? "This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #8 July 1, 2007 QuoteThe only way e-voting can be regarded as valid is if the software, firmware and silicon are open to public inspection. Don't get me wrong, I'm a techie through and through, but if you cant audit the process due to commercial sensitivity then it has no valid reason to be involved in elections. Imagine if they still counted papers and said, sorry, we cant tell you our methods, we used base X which is commercialy sensitve. You tell them to fuck off surely? Yep. It needs to be wide open. And open source code will tend to become more secure over time than proprietary software. At least it seems that it would. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 July 2, 2007 Quote The vid showed three guys working at the same time unscrew the cabinet and swap 2 or 3 socketed ROMs. I would have assumed that important components like ROM would have a some kind of encrypted hash value burned in so that it would only work in one specific machine and be hard to duplicate. That's quite a presumption, and one I don't believe is practical for onsite repairs. And since Diebold says nothing about how the things works, I expect the security protocols to be quite stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 July 2, 2007 Quote Tongue in cheek, I'll say that the electronic vote fraud the Dems have screamed about for the last few years MUST be bogus, since the evil vote-stealing Republicans and their lackeys at Diebold would NEVER have let the Dems win.... Winning a majority of districts isn't evidence that cheating didn't take place in select areas. Cheating is only likely to work in a closely contested election, anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 July 2, 2007 Quote Quote Tongue in cheek, I'll say that the electronic vote fraud the Dems have screamed about for the last few years MUST be bogus, since the evil vote-stealing Republicans and their lackeys at Diebold would NEVER have let the Dems win.... Winning a majority of districts isn't evidence that cheating didn't take place in select areas. Cheating is only likely to work in a closely contested election, anyway. Amazing how it only seems to happen when the Dems *lose*, isn't it....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #12 July 2, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Tongue in cheek, I'll say that the electronic vote fraud the Dems have screamed about for the last few years MUST be bogus, since the evil vote-stealing Republicans and their lackeys at Diebold would NEVER have let the Dems win.... Winning a majority of districts isn't evidence that cheating didn't take place in select areas. Cheating is only likely to work in a closely contested election, anyway. Amazing how it only seems to happen when the Dems *lose*, isn't it.... I'm tempted to write WHOOSH, but I think that would go over your head too. We haven't had a national (Presdential) election that the Democrats didn't lose. Your only defense is that they aren't (are they?) complaining about the 2006 elections. As I wrote, you can only cheat a little. So in a dead or near dead heat like the past two elections Bush won, cheating in a state like Ohio could make a difference. But there's no way to know all the district elections that will go down to the wire. --- The allegations could be bullshit. I haven't seen any real evidence that the GOP stole the elections. But your counter evidence is crap, man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #13 July 2, 2007 >Amazing how it only seems to happen when the Dems *lose*, isn't it.... ----------------------- Voter-Fraud Complaints by GOP Drove Dismissals By Dan Eggen and Amy Goldstein Washington Post Staff Writers Monday, May 14, 2007; Page A04 Nearly half the U.S. attorneys slated for removal by the administration last year were targets of Republican complaints that they were lax on voter fraud, including efforts by presidential adviser Karl Rove to encourage more prosecutions of election- law violations, according to new documents and interviews. ---------------------- Both sides bitch just as much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
