The Murderer, The Sex Change, and Your Tax Dollars

[mnealtx 0]

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None of what you guys has any reason or logic behind it.

And asserting that a CRIMINAL should be allowed to have an ELECTIVE PROCEDURE at TAXPAYER EXPENSE, *is* showing reason and logic?

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[rushmc 23]

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None of what you guys has any reason or logic behind it. You all seem to come from a point of retribution and hate. This person is scum, no doubt, but a judge has ruled that the surgery should be carried out, although he failed to order it done due, I would imagine, due to public sentiment such as you have demonstrated. Its funny how you guys are all about law and order apart from when it comes to rapists/murders and Scooter Libby.

Life is not fair, but the thing about being human, to me at least, is to strive as much as possible to make it so. Thats why you have laws and judges rather than lynch mobs and lynchings.

If you are going to do that you have to be fair to everyone that includes the person mentioned.

As for honest hard working people not being able to afford decent health care that is a different issue. I suggest you go see or download Sicko and find that not every country has a health system such as yours.

I you are not seeing ANY logic behind this you are running around with you eyes wide shut

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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None of what you guys has any reason or logic behind it. You all seem to come from a point of retribution and hate. This person is scum, no doubt, but a judge has ruled that the surgery should be carried out, although he failed to order it done due, I would imagine, due to public sentiment such as you have demonstrated. Its funny how you guys are all about law and order apart from when it comes to rapists/murders and Scooter Libby.

Why is it hatred to suggest that he should not be afforded treatment that the average joe on the street would not get. I acknoeldged that he should get surgury if his life depended on it or if his physical health was at stake or he was in great physical pain. Because I do not feel that luxury surgery should be afforded to him I am full of hate?

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Life is not fair, but the thing about being human, to me at least, is to strive as much as possible to make it so. Thats why you have laws and judges rather than lynch mobs and lynchings.

I am not trying to deny him the basics of life. There are many on low incomes who cannot afford sex changes because they cannot afford the insurance. I acknowledge that a guy in prison is not going to be able to buy health insurance so the state needs to pick up the tab, but in the interest of decency he should not be afforded cosmetic surgery on the taxpayers bill. Beying a guy makes him depressed; the state provided prison psychiatrists who can help him with his depression. What if being fat or ugly makes prisoners depressed. Do we then have to provide liposuction and facelifts while decent hard working people aften cannot afford life saving surgery. No thats obscene.

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If you are going to do that you have to be fair to everyone that includes the person mentioned.

Fair and special treatment at the taxpayers expense are not the same thing.

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As for honest hard working people not being able to afford decent health care that is a different issue. I suggest you go see or download Sicko and find that not every country has a health system such as yours.

If you cannot afford it for your honest citizens then it should not be provided for convicts. Why do we have an obligation to give a convict cosmetic surgury when Joe Smith on the street can't get it. This is not hatefull on my part, it is fair.

This is CLASSIC trolling We should stop feeding the troll

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jjiimmyyt 0]

I would imagine that if all that if you took the profit motive out of health care in the US and still spent the same proportion of your GDP on health care you could easily afford a decent standard of care for all. That is why I love the health service where I live, we pay relatively little tax here in Jersey, certainly less than in the US, and have excellent health care. But this all a different issue than the threads intent.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[jjiimmyyt 0]

If a mental condition requires medical treatment which is acceptable to the majority of medical people who have assessed the case I would not consider it elective.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[rushmc 23]

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I would imagine that if all that if you took the profit motive out of health care in the US and still spent the same proportion of your GDP on health care you could easily afford a decent standard of care for all. That is why I love the health service where I live, we pay relatively little tax here in Jersey, certainly less than in the US, and have excellent health care. But this all a different issue than the threads intent.

The "profit motive" to which you refer has helped create the best health care system in the world. You can keep your system, we don't want it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jjiimmyyt 0]

I'm not trolling believe me, more like banging my head against a brick wall.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[rushmc 23]

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I'm not trolling believe me, more like banging my head against a brick wall.

Then I can not imagine the convoluted mind set that would have you argue your position....nor would I want to.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Trent 0]

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None of what you guys has any reason or logic behind it. You all seem to come from a point of retribution and hate.

??? You haven't presented a logical reason yet as to why taxpayer money should fund this surgery. The MAN is a convicted killer. Why should he get elective surgery?

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a judge has ruled that the surgery should be carried out, although he failed to order it done due, I would imagine, due to public sentiment such as you have demonstrated. Its funny how you guys are all about law and order apart from when it comes to rapists/murders and Scooter Libby.

And that judge's decision was WRONG in my opinion... and that of MANY others. This world is truly going mad. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder apparently. Like someone said. If THIS bullshit is okay, what's next for our poor darlings in prison?

Law and order has nothing to do with it. Let the MURDERER save up his money from stamping license plates and get the surgery on his own when he gets out... IF he gets out. Until then... HE'S IN PRISON WHERE THEY TAKE AWAY SEVERAL BASIC LIBERTIES AS A RULE.

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Life is not fair, but the thing about being human, to me at least, is to strive as much as possible to make it so. Thats why you have laws and judges rather than lynch mobs and lynchings.

Nice hyperbole. It's nuts to try to make this a lynch mob. People don't want to pay for a sex change on a murderer or anyone else. Simple.

Like I said. Apparently there's a few people who think this dude is entitled and deserves this elective surgery... band together and pay for it then. Don't spend someone elses money on it.

Oh, hello again!

[jjiimmyyt 0]

I'm sorry but when 43.6 million (according to USAToday) or 60 million according to Moore (who I cant stand) don't have health insurance and large amounts of those that do have insurance and are denied care due to spurious reasons then you cant have the best system.

Maybe the best qualified Drs, best hospitals and procedures more than probably, but best system, no way.

Don't get me wrong I'm not hating on the US, I loved my time at Lake Wales and Perris and met some cool people and look forward to going back. It is a cool place, just it is not as rosey as sometimes it is made out.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[jjiimmyyt 0]

??? You haven't presented a logical reason yet as to why taxpayer money should fund this surgery. The MAN is a convicted killer. Why should he get elective surgery?


See post 30.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[jjiimmyyt 0]

Nice hyperbole. It's nuts to try to make this a lynch mob. People don't want to pay for a sex change on a murderer or anyone else. Simple.

I'm not trying to call you guys a lynch mob, just pointing out that we have judges and laws and we should follow them. If you don't like that fine.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[Trent 0]

Not buying the OPINIONS of PAID experts. This world has gone mad. Seriously. He NEEDS a vagina or he's gonna DIE??? Gimme a break. All the treatment he's gotten so far is entirely too much. It shoulda been thrown out day one.

What's next, someone in the loony bin thinks he's a god so we have to fund a church to be built for him? After all, he might die if it doesn't happen.

This is insane.

Oh, hello again!

[Richards 0]

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??? You haven't presented a logical reason yet as to why taxpayer money should fund this surgery. The MAN is a convicted killer. Why should he get elective surgery?See post 30.

I hate to play the old slippery slope argument because I know how it can be abused, but can you not see the precident this sets. Instead of letting the prison counsellor (provided by taxpayers) help him cope with the depression he has about being a guy we are to pay to change what it is about him that depresses him. I will speculate that good lawyers will then be able to argue that people who are depressed about their weight should be afforded subsidized liposuction. Ugly faces- Subsidized Facelifts. Overbite-Subsidized Orthodontics? Breast implants for female convicts.

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[jjiimmyyt 0]

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Not buying the OPINIONS of PAID experts. This world has gone mad. Seriously. He NEEDS a vagina or he's gonna DIE??? Gimme a break. All the treatment he's gotten so far is entirely too much. It shoulda been thrown out day one.

What's next, someone in the loony bin thinks he's a god so we have to fund a church to be built for him? After all, he might die if it doesn't happen.

This is insane.

A prisoner has a right to medical treatment, yes?

Mental issues are medical, yes?

By carrying out this medical procedure, which the majority of medical people asked agree should happen, his mental issues will be resolved,yes ?

A judge has said this should happen, yes?

At first glance it does seem kind of silly that they should have their cock turned inside out on your dime but to me if all the above are true, and I think they are, then it should happen.

I wonder how much the cost of fighting this versus just carrying it out are? I am aware they are trying to stop a precedent being set before anyway feels the need to point that out.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[Richards 0]

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I wonder how much the cost of fighting this versus just carrying it out are?

Long term or short term?

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[rushmc 23]

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I'm sorry but when 43.6 million (according to USAToday) or 60 million according to Moore (who I cant stand) don't have health insurance and large amounts of those that do have insurance and are denied care due to spurious reasons then you cant have the best system.

Maybe the best qualified Drs, best hospitals and procedures more than probably, but best system, no way.

Don't get me wrong I'm not hating on the US, I loved my time at Lake Wales and Perris and met some cool people and look forward to going back. It is a cool place, just it is not as rosey as sometimes it is made out.

As soon as you quoted Moore you credibility went right down the shitter. There are hundreds of stories where people come from other countries to get life saving procedures that are months out in federal systems.

Once again, you can Z(think) you have the best. So go ahead and keep it. We do not want it and for dam sure we do not need it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Nice hyperbole. It's nuts to try to make this a lynch mob. People don't want to pay for a sex change on a murderer or anyone else. Simple.

I'm not trying to call you guys a lynch mob, just pointing out that we have judges and laws and we should follow them. If you don't like that fine.

We also have judges who should be impeached for the shit they do.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jjiimmyyt 0]

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??? You haven't presented a logical reason yet as to why taxpayer money should fund this surgery. The MAN is a convicted killer. Why should he get elective surgery?See post 30.

I hate to play the old slippery slope argument because I know how it can be abused, but can you not see the precident this sets. Instead of letting the prison counsellor (provided by taxpayers) help him cope with the depression he has about being a guy we are to pay to change what it is about him that depresses him. I will speculate that good lawyers will then be able to argue that people who are depressed about their weight should be afforded subsidized liposuction. Ugly faces- Subsidized Facelifts. Overbite-Subsidized Orthodontics? Breast implants for female convicts.

I can see your arguments. If it was deemed medically that those above example should go ahead I'd have to agree. I am not a Dr and am not going to challenge them on issues which I am not qualified to do so.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[rushmc 23]

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Not buying the OPINIONS of PAID experts. This world has gone mad. Seriously. He NEEDS a vagina or he's gonna DIE??? Gimme a break. All the treatment he's gotten so far is entirely too much. It shoulda been thrown out day one.

What's next, someone in the loony bin thinks he's a god so we have to fund a church to be built for him? After all, he might die if it doesn't happen.

This is insane.

A prisoner has a right to medical treatment, yes?

Mental issues are medical, yes?

By carrying out this medical procedure, which the majority of medical people asked agree should happen, his mental issues will be resolved,yes ?

A judge has said this should happen, yes?

At first glance it does seem kind of silly that they should have their cock turned inside out on your dime but to me if all the above are true, and I think they are, then it should happen.

I wonder how much the cost of fighting this versus just carrying it out are? I am aware they are trying to stop a precedent being set before anyway feels the need to point that out.

I have to ask this.

Are you the one in prison wanting this procedure?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jjiimmyyt 0]

As soon as you quoted Moore you credibility went right down the shitter. There are hundreds of stories where people come from other countries to get life saving procedures that are months out in federal systems.

Once again, you can Z(think) you have the best. So go ahead and keep it. We do not want it and for dam sure we do not need it.

I quoted Moore to give the high end and I think that is pretty obvious, sorry if I didn't make it clear enough. I quoted USAToday to give a more reasonable expectation of what is actually true.

I would imagine you have no idea about the health system here in Jersey. For example I broke my ankle (rough guess how ) and when I turned up at the hospital I was seen immediately, had X-Rays within 30 minutes of walking through the door. I had to wait 8 hours for my food/water levels to go down, then was operated on by the senior Ortho Dr (who used to work at one of the leading UK hospitals). I was given a bed in a room with 1 other young guy who'd crashed his bike, spent 7 days eating Ok food, had full access to all drugs required. They even wanted to keep me in for 3 more days to make sure I didn't do anything to f up my ankle more. At no point in time did I have think how much does this cost, will my insurance cover it. And the nurses were pretty hot and they wheeled me into to the smoking room every couple of hours. They even moved me over by the window so I could watch the Dropzone, it is only about 2.5 miles away and I could just about see what was going on. So yeah, I think our system is pretty good. But we digress.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[jjiimmyyt 0]

I have to ask this.

Are you the one in prison wanting this procedure?

Fuck no, who in their right mind would want their dick turned inside out and fake tits?

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[jjiimmyyt 0]

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Nice hyperbole. It's nuts to try to make this a lynch mob. People don't want to pay for a sex change on a murderer or anyone else. Simple.

I'm not trying to call you guys a lynch mob, just pointing out that we have judges and laws and we should follow them. If you don't like that fine.

We also have judges who should be impeached for the shit they do.

What like finding mentally (and like really mental, climbing up the wall shit, not gender issues) guilty of murder and sentencing them to death? How about trying children (usually black) as adults because they did something really bad and the people demand 'justice'. That kind of thing?

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave

[georgerussia 0]

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It depends on what the guy did to end up in prison. I would feel bad for some young guy who ended up there for a DUI getting buttplugged, but if you are talking about a sadistic sex killer, rapist or child molester, who cares.

I would say it's completely opposite.
Someone must be comparatively "bad" to get jail time for DUI.
And someone must be comparatively "good" to get jail time (and not a chair) for sadistic sex murder.

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[jjiimmyyt 0]

Doesn't someone who commits a 'sadistic sex murder' have to be intrinsically nuts. I can see a sane person commit murder (fuck, you should have the guy that bragged to me about relations with my little sister,thanks to friends I didn't kill him) but to do so in a way that you actually take pleasure in the killing, then you are nuts and need to be locked up in a very secure hospital, not killed. Mental humans are not rabid dogs and should not be treated as such.

"This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave