cops vs skaters!

[akarunway 1]

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Oh please.... come down of the hyperbole express for a bit, will ya?

Did the cop over-react? Possibly, I don't know - I can't see the video from over here.

Were the kids in the wrong? Abso-fucking-lutely, from the discussion.

I hope I never get pulled over by a cop like Mr. Kennedy. Last time I got pulled for doing 95 in a 65, cop was cool as hell. Could have inpounded my truck and taken me to jail. He let me slide and warned me. "I'm a nice cop. The next one you meet isn't going to be so nice." Would that be you Mr. Kennedy? Have a nice day officer.

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[Kennedy 0]

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I hope I never get pulled over by a cop like Mr. Kennedy. Last time I got pulled for doing 95 in a 65, cop was cool as hell. Could have inpounded my truck and taken me to jail. He let me slide and warned me. "I'm a nice cop. The next one you meet isn't going to be so nice." Would that be you Mr. Kennedy? Have a nice day officer.

OK, if you think it's so cool that he let you off, I have to ask you, do you want everyone doing 95 in a 65 to be let off with a warning? Or are you just frickin special, sunshine?

Would I think a cop should take you to jail for doing 95 in a 65? Probably not. Charging you with speeding, careless and reckless driving, and any other offense you committed should be sufficient to get the message across.

The final arrest vs. citation decision would depend on what else you've done (right then and there, not prior history) and what your attitude is when the cop approaches you.

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[nanook 1]

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Just wondering how you where as an kid? You had respect for everything, never asked a question, why things has to be as it is, and accept everything that you are told not to do! There is far out when kids want to play, and do a minor "violated city oridnance" Heck this is in kids nature to push limits, and if there where not people like that, I guess you would never ever jump out of a plane! I have seen how much effort some kids put down to do what they do! And only limit them to a small kindergarden is wiolating their rights. I know it is a law, but sometime you have to get out of the box! All I want you to understand, behavior like this police man show, is way out of his rights, what ever you say. He would earned so much more respect if he had handled this an other way. I have no problem to understand people loose their respect for the law, when they see cases like this over and over again. Get out of the box, try to remember how it was to be a kid your self.

We have to wait for the results of the investigation. But, i'm siding on the cop with this one.
I was a shit-head when I was a teenager. I've been arrested and I have "stepped out of the box". I know anti-authority when I see it. I also know what a fustrated cop looks like. This cop is not being a bully. At worst case scenerio, he made a innocent mistake, unless it's found out that those kids were being more of a pain in the ass than the camera shows.
Part of growing up is learning why some behavior is not favorful. When you are an inmature teen, you can't conceptualize the reasons behind rules. Such as, skateboarding destroys very expensive tax-paid or private-donation structures and there are stake-holders involved. Therefore, you have to just enforce the rules and keep the kids from breaking the law till they grow up and understand the why's. And, if they break it one too many times, like I did, punish them. The reason the "just kids" grow up to be someone successful intrinsictly and extrinsinctly is because cops like this stop them from breaking laws and assist in correcting destructive behaviors. That's what makes cops' jobs so hard. Sad thing is there's a lot of full grown adults that are anti-authority "(which is fancy speak for "I am a low-end job holder because i can't finish major milestones in life so I blame Authority rather than have a good look at myself.) and never learned the lesson.

I still talk to some high-school friends that "stepped-out-of-the-box". It's too bad they can't cash in on their stepping-out experience. Felony convictions can do that for you.

Let's not confuse the issue here. They are not "stepping-out-of-the-box" here, these are kids behaving badly. Feynman, DaVinci, Columbus, Darwin, stepped out. These kids are not excercising thought, they are exercising selfishness, inmaturity, and hopefully, learning.

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[akarunway 1]

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I hope I never get pulled over by a cop like Mr. Kennedy. Last time I got pulled for doing 95 in a 65, cop was cool as hell. Could have inpounded my truck and taken me to jail. He let me slide and warned me. "I'm a nice cop. The next one you meet isn't going to be so nice." Would that be you Mr. Kennedy? Have a nice day officer.

OK, if you think it's so cool that he let you off, I have to ask you, do you want everyone doing 95 in a 65 to be let off with a warning? Or are you just frickin special, sunshine?

Would I think a cop should take you to jail for doing 95 in a 65? Probably not. Charging you with speeding, careless and reckless driving, and any other offense you committed should be sufficient to get the message across.

The final arrest vs. citation decision would depend on what else you've done (right then and there, not prior history) and what your attitude is when the cop approaches you.

The cop was one of the nicest I ever met. And the ticket cost me $1,006.00 when done and said.Edit to add: The warning was the NEXT cop wasn't gonna be so nice.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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[Kennedy 0]

Thanks for clearing up my misconception. Like I said, if all you were doing was speeding, then a speeding charge, with a possible side order of careless and reckless, is in order. I doubt most cops would impound your vehicle and haul you off to the local jail.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Thanks for clearing up my misconception. Like I said, if all you were doing was speeding, then a speeding charge, with a possible side order of careless and reckless, is in order. I doubt most cops would impound your vehicle and haul you off to the local jail.

He said the "last time" he got pulled for that crap. If it's a repeat of criminal driving behavior, I'd like him jailed for the safety of the other 6 billion of us.

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[akarunway 1]

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Thanks for clearing up my misconception. Like I said, if all you were doing was speeding, then a speeding charge, with a possible side order of careless and reckless, is in order. I doubt most cops would impound your vehicle and haul you off to the local jail.

He said the "last time" he got pulled for that crap. If it's a repeat of criminal driving behavior, I'd like him jailed for the safety of the other 6 billion of us.

Hey bro. I was goin w/ the flow. There were cars leaving me in the dust. He said I just sorta stood out and he couldn't catch em all. Fuck off Edit to add: This is So Cal and I drive many miles each day to and from work. 55-65 mph is crazy. As I type this they are talking on the news they need to up the speed limits. I'll bet a dollar to a hole in a cops donut you're one of those people that go 55 in the left lane saying fuck everybody(on your ass), I'm doing the speed limit

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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[rehmwa 2]

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I'll bet a dollar to a hole in a cops donut you're one of those people that go 55 in the left lane saying fuck everybody(on your ass), I'm doing the speed limit

I drive sideways on the left shoulder throwing spitballs in the ditch while drinking coffee and reading a book while watching a movie and talking on my cell phone while programming my laptop and eating breakfast....driving backwards to watch for others gaining on me

Maybe I have you confused with another poster, but it seems on cop bashing threads you always have an example like:

"I was going 95 and got pulled over......stupid cop, I can drive that fast"
"I only had a few drinks and got pulled over......stupid cop, I can drive drunk better than most sober people"
"All I did was flick off the other guy and show him my gun, and suddenly he was acting all pissed off. Man, I hate people with road rage" (ok, that last one was an exageration)

your examples don't say much about cops other than they are doing their jobs. in your world, I'm sure it's always someone else's fault

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[dorbie 0]

Cops like that are a liablity, moreover that could be your son, daughter, nephew or niece in a headlock by an angry guy with a badge for doing nothing that any kid woudn't do. No thanks, we don't need this kind of guy with a badge. This video says it better than me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8g5ymr8aU

They need to get a lawyer and teach this town, the police department and this officer that this is unacceptable conduct. But if you're happy for this to happen to your kids maybe you're just fine with it.

[SuperKat 0]

I used to be a skater. I used to be harassed by cops throughout my whole teen years up until I became one myself. At least that's what I thought before I put on their shoes myself. It's all about attitude. I had a bad attitude which is why I felt cops were harassing me.

Mouthing off to a cop is not a smart thing to do. It can get you arrested. Running away, flailing your arms or moving around while being hand cuffed is resisting arrest. People don't seem to realize that.

I did not see what happened prior to the cop wrestling with the kids and what not so I will not be a Monday night quarterback.

You have to look at both sides of the coin. The cop was wrestling with a kid on the ground, he chased another kid that was running away, then another kid ran away and two remained, a boy and a girl. They were cursing at him and shouting at him so he restrained them from getting away.

I know the kids were just skating on either the streets or sidewalks. That's what kids do. That's what I did when I was a skater. They probably didn't even know that they were breaking the law. However, shouting and cursing at a cop will just draw the attention towards you and escalate the situation further and against your favor.

I am not that cop's supervisor nor was I trained under his department regulations. Therefore, I won't judge him. Would I have handled the situation differently, probably....if it happened in NYC that is. However, I am not him and I do not work in his city and I haven't been trained under his dept. Every city has different dept rules and regulations.

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[Ragnarok 0]

You carry a chip on your shoulder - sooner or later someone is going to knock it off.

Cooperate with the police, you may just get lucky. Piss off a cop, well, you had it coming one way or another.

Some people just insist on exercising their God given right to be stupid..........

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[Kennedy 0]

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Cops like that are a liablity, moreover that could be your son, daughter, nephew or niece in a headlock by an angry guy with a badge for doing nothing that any kid woudn't do. No thanks, we don't need this kind of guy with a badge. This video says it better than me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8g5ymr8aU

They need to get a lawyer and teach this town, the police department and this officer that this is unacceptable conduct. But if you're happy for this to happen to your kids maybe you're just fine with it.

Thankfully, most kids out there aren't your "any kid." Your "any kid" is a piece of trash, and committed several misdemeanors.

That video is just one more piece of tripe posted to YouTube by an ignorant schumck who doesn't know a damn thing about the law or police procedures.

Is someone going to hire a lawyer to go after the town? I don't doubt it. Are they going to get a dime? Not a chance, unless the city wants to invite someone to file a lawsuit every time there is a use of force by settling.

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[Kennedy 0]

Boy, it's nice to be educated about a situation before you speak. It prevents you looking like an ass, and lets you predict the outcome far more effectively than ignorant follks.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=5445837
http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2007/07/cop_cleared.aspx
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/07/04/news/070507arskate.txt

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Police Officer Cleared in Skateboard Choking Case

LITTLE ROCK (AP) - July 3, 2007 - A police officer who appeared to choke a skateboarder and put two others in a headlock in a video posted online used appropriate force when making his arrests, an internal police investigation found.

The Hot Springs Police Department Internal Affairs Board found the use of force was within the police department's policy on non-deadly force and recommended "no changes to this policy." The decision was released Monday.

Officer Joey Williams confronted a situation that "would have overwhelmed any single officer" when he stopped those breaking a Hot Springs city ordinance by skateboarding on a downtown sidewalk June 21, the report said.

However, Williams was faulted for leaving a handcuffed suspect unattended while chasing another youth in the resort town's historic Bathhouse Row.

Williams has been on administrative leave since the video hit YouTube on June 25. Police said he would return to active duty Thursday in the city's downtown.
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[Zipp0 1]

If that dude choked one of my kids for skateboarding I'd shoot him right in the fucking head. Scumbag.

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[Kennedy 0]

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If that dude choked one of my kids for skateboarding I'd shoot him right in the fucking head. Scumbag.

Wow, way to educate yourself about what actually happened, rather than stating you'd murder a law enforcement officer based on fictitious circumstances. See above post.

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[Zipp0 1]

I saw the video. Children don't need to be treated that way for skateboarding. That dipshit cop used excessive force considering the nature of the infraction. Had they been spraypainting city hall or breaking storefront windows, that would be different.

Like I said, if they were my kids, I'd use some excessive force of my own, with extreme prejudice.

Or maybe I'd slash the tires on his POS camaro. Whatever. He shouldn't be the cop patrolling the skateboarder beat. Let him try those tactics on some drug dealers - I'd be just fine with that.

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[mnealtx 0]

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I saw the video. Children don't need to be treated that way for skateboarding. That dipshit cop used excessive force considering the nature of the infraction. Had they been spraypainting city hall or breaking storefront windows, that would be different.

The video didn't show the entire interaction between the kids and the cop. Just as you said in the other thread, we don't know the whole story.

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Like I said, if they were my kids, I'd use some excessive force of my own, with extreme prejudice.

Or maybe I'd slash the tires on his POS camaro. Whatever. He shouldn't be the cop patrolling the skateboarder beat. Let him try those tactics on some drug dealers - I'd be just fine with that.

See above - filming didn't start until AFTER the situation started down the shitter - none of us know what happened before the camera started rolling.

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[dorbie 0]

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If that dude choked one of my kids for skateboarding I'd shoot him right in the fucking head. Scumbag.

You are right he is a scumbag, unfortunately he still has a badge.

If anyone else had done that they'd be in jail on all sorts of charges.

It is unbelievable that some folks are willing to accept and excuse because someone is wearing a badge.

When you run around justifying any misconduct and saying that "we don't know what went before the video" despite the plain evidence before us every time a cop is out of control you just invite more contempt for better officers in uniform.

Go ahead name call, but there are better ways to police and you really don't need amped up jackbooted thugs on a testosterone rush choking out kids like that. There was nothing that merited that use of force but it seems almost endemic in some police forces.

People who think "my kids are better" or these were bad kids committing misdimeanors are naive, they were skateboarding and that has an appropriate punnishment. They'll throw the book at these kids for this just to cover that cop's ass, when they were damned right to be afraid of him for what he was doing. They skateboarded on a sidewalk, he used excessive force and assaulted minors. Which is worse in your book? A badge does not justify this.

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I don't believe the most important point has been brought up. This officer is not in control of himself. His decision making process is obviously impaired as demonstrated most notably by leaving a handcuffed prisoner sitting on the sidewalk. The force used, while appropriate, was questionable in it's application. Trying to control a group leaves him vulnerable, or did he believe he could control them because they were young? If he felt they were no threat then the level of force is even more questionable. I would have cleared him of wrongdoing however I would of recommended that he receive some additional training.
I remember going over the Rodney King tape in a PC832 class years ago. The guy teaching the class (investigator for the Sac DA) went over the tape in slow motion and pointed out one officer in particular. This guy hit Rodney 24 times in the arm with his baton...and didn't break the arm. This was a man who was so out of control that he couldn't inflict the harm he so obviously wanted to. He had 24 tries at it and couldn't do the damage.
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[akarunway 1]

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I saw the video. Children don't need to be treated that way for skateboarding. That dipshit cop used excessive force considering the nature of the infraction. Had they been spraypainting city hall or breaking storefront windows, that would be different.

Like I said, if they were my kids, I'd use some excessive force of my own, with extreme prejudice.

Or maybe I'd slash the tires on his POS camaro. Whatever. He shouldn't be the cop patrolling the skateboarder beat. Let him try those tactics on some drug dealers - I'd be just fine with that.

Com'n man. They are afraid to go after the drug dealers. Easier to write speeding tickets and choke kids.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[akarunway 1]

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Boy, it's nice to be educated about a situation before you speak. It prevents you looking like an ass, and lets you predict the outcome far more effectively than ignorant follks.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=5445837
http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2007/07/cop_cleared.aspx
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/07/04/news/070507arskate.txt

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Police Officer Cleared in Skateboard Choking Case

LITTLE ROCK (AP) - July 3, 2007 - A police officer who appeared to choke a skateboarder and put two others in a headlock in a video posted online used appropriate force when making his arrests, an internal police investigation found.

The Hot Springs Police Department Internal Affairs Board found the use of force was within the police department's policy on non-deadly force and recommended "no changes to this policy." The decision was released Monday.

Officer Joey Williams confronted a situation that "would have overwhelmed any single officer" when he stopped those breaking a Hot Springs city ordinance by skateboarding on a downtown sidewalk June 21, the report said.

However, Williams was faulted for leaving a handcuffed suspect unattended while chasing another youth in the resort town's historic Bathhouse Row.

Williams has been on administrative leave since the video hit YouTube on June 25. Police said he would return to active duty Thursday in the city's downtown.
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A cop cleared of misconduct. By other cops. Imagine that.Happens every day. You guys stand up for your own. Right OR WRONG.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[akarunway 1]

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I don't believe the most important point has been brought up. This officer is not in control of himself. His decision making process is obviously impaired as demonstrated most notably by leaving a handcuffed prisoner sitting on the sidewalk. The force used, while appropriate, was questionable in it's application. Trying to control a group leaves him vulnerable, or did he believe he could control them because they were young? If he felt they were no threat then the level of force is even more questionable. I would have cleared him of wrongdoing however I would of recommended that he receive some additional training.
I remember going over the Rodney King tape in a PC832 class years ago. The guy teaching the class (investigator for the Sac DA) went over the tape in slow motion and pointed out one officer in particular. This guy hit Rodney 24 times in the arm with his baton...and didn't break the arm. This was a man who was so out of control that he couldn't inflict the harm he so obviously wanted to. He had 24 tries at it and couldn't do the damage.
Now tell me, honestly, are these the guys you want to go through a door with?

reply]I don't believe the most important point has been brought up. This officer is not in control of himself. His decision making process is obviously impaired as demonstrated most notably by leaving a handcuffed prisoner sitting on the sidewalk. The force used, while appropriate, was questionable in it's application. Trying to control a group leaves him vulnerable, or did he believe he could control them because they were young? If he felt they were no threat then the level of force is even more questionable. I would have cleared him of wrongdoing however I would of recommended that he receive some additional training.
I remember going over the Rodney King tape in a PC832 class years ago. The guy teaching the class (investigator for the Sac DA) went over the tape in slow motion and pointed out one officer in particular. This guy hit Rodney 24 times in the arm with his baton...and didn't break the arm. This was a man who was so out of control that he couldn't inflict the harm he so obviously wanted to. He had 24 tries at it and couldn't do the damage.
Now tell me, honestly, are these the guys you want to go through a door with?

[dorbie 0]

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Now tell me, honestly, are these the guys you want to go through a door with?

Exactly, that child choking bozo gets to drive in a cruiser with "America's Finest" emblazoned on the side, and I bet the fucktard believes it too.

You really shouldn't be standing shoulder to shoulder with muppets who choke out teenage girls for skateboarding, that's some pretty bad company to keep and I'm proud to take the side of the skateboarding kids, that way I can look at myself in the mirror with a clear conscience.

[WeakMindedFool 0]

Well in his defense, that's what he did. Did I enjoy watching him take his fear and frustration out on 13 year olds? No, of course not. Did I want to hurt him? Yes I did, anytime I see a large person dominating a small one my impulse is to hurt them. The position you're putting forward is that he should not have touched them and in that I think you are wrong. Sort of the "Stop!!! or I'll yell Stop again" approach to law enforcement huh? They are talking about stopping the police from engaging in high speed pursuits. I can't wait! I'm taking the license plates off my car and I'll never pull over.

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[434 2]

You are way
thick in to it, and will never open your eyes! If you call that proof!, he did not handle the situation wrong? I have no more to say in this case! I hope his collegs do not end up in a gunfight togehter with this cop, and have to thrust him covering their back! or any lethal situation for that matter! Whould you kennedy thrust this man if you where working with him?

You wonder why people do not thrust, or have respect for the police, it is becouse of cops like him!! And maybe people like you!