cops vs skaters!

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Im not going to waste my time arguing point for point of this police mans acting. He is totally out of control, and a shame for his collegs! Wrestling two poeple at the same time while his back up is there, trying to calm him down, do not look good! Even he is out of controll when the kid is calm on the ground, following his instructions! He is stressed, and should not work on the street, end of story. Put him behind the desk, and keep him there, or let him be a guard at a skate park

Have a good night!

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Cops should show more control.

When I see people make assumptions without any backstory or evidence, I wonder how they can think a cop will give a shit about their opinion.

No evidence? THERE WAS VIDEO!

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First, you have no idea how the cop handled the situation. Remember the first thing you see in that video? It's a still picture of the cop holding a kid on the ground. So can you tell me what happened before the kid ended up on his ass being held down by a cop? No? Then why jumpj to conclusions?

I didn't jump to conclusions. I watched the video and then made conclusions. The cop should show more control. The kids should show more respect.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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(A) Don't skateboard where it's not legal to do so.
(B) When you're doing something illegal, and a cop comes up to talk to you, don't be an ass, unles you want him to enforce every law he knows, which WILL results in citations or arrests.
(C) When a cop tells you "Don't move," just don't. If you do, you'll likely get handcuffed, and might go to jail.
(D) When a cop is putting someone in handcuffs, DO NOT get in the middle of it, or you'll get handcuffed, too.
(E) When a cop tells you to get on the ground, face down, and put your hands behind your back, and you refuse, you face three options, which the cop gets to decide, not you. You will either be {1} wrestled to the ground, in which case you may face further charges if the cop in injured, {2} sprayed with a chemical agent, which leads to the worst half hour of your life, or {3} Tazered, which leads to what I guarantee is the worst five seconds of your life.

Remember, 99.9% of the time a cops actions are nothing more than the consequences of your actions. If you do somehting illegal, expect a cop to do somehting about it. IF you are an ass, don't expect him to exercise discretion in your favor. If you resist, arrest, expect very unpleasant things to happen to you.

On the street, you will not win an argument with a cop. It's that simple. And as for videotaping it? Well, just expect the tape to be confiscated and entered into evidence. Oh, you didn't think about the fact that you just identified your friend who ran with that tape, did you?

You forgot (E) #4. Getting shot. Oh. I forgot. Pigs only do that when nobodys around videoing (they hope) and ALWAYS have a THROWAWAY handy. HAVE A NICE DAY OFFICER.

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[BillyVance 35]

If I were a skateboarder, I would have two or three boards. The best, most expensive one, I'd use for the skate parks or ramps at home. The others, more used and cheaper, for everywhere else. That way if a cop comes up to me and demands the board, I'd just give it to him, but just before he gets back in his patrol car, I'd yell at him, "that was my cheap board, I left my $300 board at home, PIG!" and run like hell.

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Cops should show more control.

When I see people make assumptions without any backstory or evidence, I wonder how they can think a cop will give a shit about their opinion.

No evidence? THERE WAS VIDEO!

Did the video show what happened BEFORE everyone was rolling on the ground? No? Then you don't know what happened that caused the cop to resort to physical arrests, do you?

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First, you have no idea how the cop handled the situation. Remember the first thing you see in that video? It's a still picture of the cop holding a kid on the ground. So can you tell me what happened before the kid ended up on his ass being held down by a cop? No? Then why jumpj to conclusions?

I didn't jump to conclusions. I watched the video and then made conclusions. The cop should show more control. The kids should show more respect.

Well, we agree there. But you need to understandthat resisting arrest is more than disrespect. It's a crime. The cop, yeah, like I said he should never have left his prisoner. That kid was his responsibility as soon as the cuffs went on.

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Im not going to waste my time arguing point for point of this police mans acting. He is totally out of control, and a shame for his collegs! Wrestling two poeple at the same time while his back up is there, trying to calm him down, do not look good!

His back up is trying to cal him down? Try again. His back up is there trying to get the kids/violators/criminals to back up and obey. If you think the first cop is going overboard, watch again and you'll see the second cop has his hand over his sidearm (that means he's holding onto his gun). The sirens in the background? That is other cops responding to a foot pursuit and violators resisting arrest. The first cop was wrong to leave his prisoner, but in reality those kids are lucky they didn't get peppersprayed. As much as you don't like it, it would have been legally justified.

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Even he is out of controll when the kid is calm on the ground, following his instructions! He is stressed, and should not work on the street, end of story.

What, you think the human body doesn't exhibit signs of stress after wrestling and running? Interesting world you live in.

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He is stressed, and should not work on the street, end of story. Put him behind the desk, and keep him there, or let him be a guard at a skate park

Well, thankfully law enfrocement is not ruled by ignorant Johnny-come-latelys. Instead there are lawyers and judges and departmental supervisors to serve that role. They know a little more about it than you do.

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Did the video show what happened BEFORE everyone was rolling on the ground? No? Then you don't know what happened that caused the cop to resort to physical arrests, do you?

I think we have a misunderstanding. I do not think that using physical force to contain an individual is out of control. The cop attempted to contain two individuals using a rear naked choke. The cop only succeeded in containing one of the individuals in a rear naked choke. I think that is out of control.

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Well, we agree there. But you need to understandthat resisting arrest is more than disrespect. It's a crime. The cop, yeah, like I said he should never have left his prisoner. That kid was his responsibility as soon as the cuffs went on.

I was stating that the kids need to show more respect in general. (We never had an encounter with the cops because when we saw the cops we ran. We didn't stick around an taunt them. Kids these days. )

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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You are way out there and you know it! Violators/criminals? Violators resisting arrest? He fu..ed up! Period!

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You are way out there and you know it! Violators/criminals? Violators resisting arrest? He fu..ed up! Period!

I figured as much. In your mind the kids did nothing wrong and the cop did everything wrong.

The kids violated a city oridnance.
(you can go to jail for that)
The kids didn't obey directions of an officer investigating a crime.
(you can go to jail for that)
When the officer caught them an told them they were under arrest, and attempted to handcuff them, they physically resisted.
(you can go to jail for that)

But yeah, the kids are angels who were victims of excessive force by a deranged cop who doesn't belong on the streets.

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Just wondering how you where as an kid? You had respect for everything, never asked a question, why things has to be as it is, and accept everything that you are told not to do! There is far out when kids want to play, and do a minor "violated city oridnance" Heck this is in kids nature to push limits, and if there where not people like that, I guess you would never ever jump out of a plane! I have seen how much effort some kids put down to do what they do! And only limit them to a small kindergarden is wiolating their rights. I know it is a law, but sometime you have to get out of the box! All I want you to understand, behavior like this police man show, is way out of his rights, what ever you say. He would earned so much more respect if he had handled this an other way. I have no problem to understand people loose their respect for the law, when they see cases like this over and over again. Get out of the box, try to remember how it was to be a kid your self.

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You can break down all personalities into a few types, one of which is anti-authoritarian. Those are the folks that if you say, "Have a nice day" to will shoot back, "DON'T TELL [I]ME[/I] WHAT TO DO!"

Clearly at least some of the kids in the video fall into this category and my guess is that at least a few of the responders to this thread do as well. It's really no surprise as skydivers in general seem to have a slightly higher percentage than the rest of the population.

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You can break down all personalities into a few types, one of which is anti-authoritarian. Those are the folks that if you say, "Have a nice day" to will shoot back, "DON'T TELL [I]ME[/I] WHAT TO DO!"

Don't tell me who I am and what I think. Go f**k yourself.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Looks like the kids fouled up. Cops were right, bu I still wish the kids had got away!

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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You can break down all personalities into a few types, one of which is anti-authoritarian. Those are the folks that if you say, "Have a nice day" to will shoot back, "DON'T TELL [I]ME[/I] WHAT TO DO!"

Clearly at least some of the kids in the video fall into this category and my guess is that at least a few of the responders to this thread do as well. It's really no surprise as skydivers in general seem to have a slightly higher percentage than the rest of the population.

I have no respect for authorities who abuse their power! You can choose to bee silent, you can choose to tell, or you can choose to blindly follow every thing the autorities tell you to, what so ever, because it is the law, or an order. It is your choice! One thing is for sure, this cop is maybe out of his job, becouse of these kids. if so, I would say the kids did a good job, if he cant handle a situation like this in a proper way!!!

I was working as an security, and I know how police treath some of their prisoners. We was always on location first, and most of the time already had the suspect. One out of many stories, is we had one burgler wich fight us with a knife, we managed to wrestle him off the knife, and put hand cuffs on him, with no damage on the suspect. We bring him to the office, put him down up to the wall. When police finely come, the suspect starts crying, and telling the police how bad we where to him, and hoped for some sympati from the police (the police do not like we do their job some time, and we are useally not allowed to take prisoners either, so I maybe should followed the law in this case) anyway the police man, smiled to him, and with his full body weight fall down on the mans stomack with his knee, and said, you shut the fuck up! Some of the young police men told us to with a smile that the prisoners had a bad tendence to fall in stairs at the police station, and so it goes on and on. When human beings think that is no risk to be caught, some abuse their power, or they are risk takers who like to balance on the fine edge. Police men need to be controlled by others, and there is nothing better than video evidence.

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Looks like the kids fouled up. Cops were right, bu I still wish the kids had got away!

When you think cops where right in these case, you know you are brainwashed, and live in a police state!

Yes I know if the kids get free to do what ever they want to do, it will go wrong, but it is also the other way around! each other balance each other to not go to far in most cases!

This case is just to be reopend again http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1861327.ece thanks to people never give up, and do not believe everything authorities tell them!

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"fuck you, we're not going anywhere," or anything along those lines. At that point, he's not getting a citation, he's going to jail. End of story, full stop.

Even if that was the case, does it warrent a fully grown man placing his hands around the neck of a young girl?

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People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

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"fuck you, we're not going anywhere," or anything along those lines. At that point, he's not getting a citation, he's going to jail. End of story, full stop.

Even if that was the case, does it warrent a police officer placing his hands around the neck of a resisting law breaker?

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That's the real question to ask. I can't answer it, but let's keep it real.

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They are KIDS not criminals. Evidently we need less cops in America when they have time to be babysitters, enforcing useless laws.

And like I said before, there are an awful lot of bad, ignorant cops out there.

When I was young, we were constantly chased by the local cops, and we were GOOD kids. The (fat) cop who chased us most of the time, known to us as Fat Freddy Phelps, died while chasing a scared teenager in a high speed pursuit. Old Far Freddy crashed into a gas station at about 90. Poetic justice?

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I must have been thinking of wrong movie

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Was it the bad cop fault you turned out to be a ma.. m....r?

?????? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

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"fuck you, we're not going anywhere," or anything along those lines. At that point, he's not getting a citation, he's going to jail. End of story, full stop.

Even if that was the case, does it warrent a fully grown man placing his hands around the neck of a young girl?

If you are talking about the cop kneeling over the kid at the start of the tape, (A) I already explained that it is not choking in an earlier post, and (B) that is not a girl.

If you mean later on in the video when the cop is trying to place the girl with the ponytail under arrest and another kid gets in the middle, I don't think he intended to choke them, but when he grabs them and they struggle, it can happen. He's wrong for letting it get to a choking position, but I don't think he intended to choke them. Either way the hold lasted for maybe a second, total. As for why he ended up with his forearm around her upper torso and possibly neck area, you can look to her resisting arrest and her little friend who screamed at the cop at the top of his lungs.

Of course, at that distance (arm's reach), his best bet when dealing with multiple suspects who area resisting is to use OC spray and your radio (to call other units, not to smack them). With the cop-haters and "I have a problem with authority" types posting here squealing about wrestling with the kids, I can only imagine their response to using chemical sprays.

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Looks like the kids fouled up. Cops were right, bu I still wish the kids had got away!

When you think cops where right in these case, you know you are brainwashed, and live in a police state!

Yes I know if the kids get free to do what ever they want to do, it will go wrong, but it is also the other way around! each other balance each other to not go to far in most cases!

This case is just to be reopend again http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1861327.ece thanks to people never give up, and do not believe everything authorities tell them!

I didn't watch the video very closely, but the part I was referring to when I said the kids fouled up was when the cop was trying to arrest someone (girl with ponytail?), and the kid looks like he's grabbing or pushing the cop. You just don't do that.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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The cop was a fucking bully and i've seen it way too often being a skater myself at that age.

Skating isn't hurting people, its not a case of fuck the rules. Its a case of fuck the pathetic stupid rules and the arse holes that up hold them in this mannor.

I've met my fair share of really good coppers and my share of bad. When this type come along you'd love to be able to stick a truck from one of the boards over their head.

"but the rules!" fuck off.

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People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

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"fuck you, we're not going anywhere," or anything along those lines. At that point, he's not getting a citation, he's going to jail. End of story, full stop.

Even if that was the case, does it warrent a fully grown man placing his hands around the neck of a young girl?

If you are talking about the cop kneeling over the kid at the start of the tape, (A) I already explained that it is not choking in an earlier post, and (B) that is not a girl.

If you mean later on in the video when the cop is trying to place the girl with the ponytail under arrest and another kid gets in the middle, I don't think he intended to choke them, but when he grabs them and they struggle, it can happen. He's wrong for letting it get to a choking position, but I don't think he intended to choke them. Either way the hold lasted for maybe a second, total. As for why he ended up with his forearm around her upper torso and possibly neck area, you can look to her resisting arrest and her little friend who screamed at the cop at the top of his lungs.

Of course, at that distance (arm's reach), his best bet when dealing with multiple suspects who area resisting is to use OC spray and your radio (to call other units, not to smack them). With the cop-haters and "I have a problem with authority" types posting here squealing about wrestling with the kids, I can only imagine their response to using chemical sprays.

MrKennedy! Why dont you just trow in the towel? You know you are wrong, and you will go down!!! But you have learned dont accept your wrong doings, and keep on deniying as long you can hold on to it, beforere it will eat you up inside out! You have to get your brain washed over and over to get back to reality!!! You should be paid by the autoritiies handing over post like this. I wish you a happy life!

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Oh please.... come down of the hyperbole express for a bit, will ya?

Did the cop over-react? Possibly, I don't know - I can't see the video from over here.

Were the kids in the wrong? Abso-fucking-lutely, from the discussion.

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