labeling groups of people.

[steveorino 7]

It seems to be the norm for some people to paint large groups of people with one broad stroke, whether that be gen Xers, Boomers, freeflyers, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Democrats, republicans, people of different ethnicity than our own, yada, yada, yada.

I know plenty of Christians and Muslims who are quiet God-fearing people, and I know some atheists who are more moral than many preachers. I've seen many compassionate republicans and democrats who don't want to abort every fetus. I've seen some hard working young people (like my son) who do not expect any entitlements, and I've seen men from the "greatest generation" that feel the world owes them a debt simply because they are old.

The only thing worse than this narrow mindedness is how so many people feel that if you are some sort of "hero" whether that be in skydiving, firefighting or serving in the armed service, that gives you the right to speak your vitrol garbage without being called on it.

Gimmee a break.

steveOrino

[Gawain 0]

SHUT UP!

All you PANSIES are the same!!!

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[jlmiracle 7]

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The only thing worse than this narrow mindedness is how so many people feel that if you are some sort of "hero" whether that be in skydiving, firefighting or serving in the armed service, that gives you the right to speak your vitrol garbage without being called on it.

POT KETTLE BLACK

j

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

[Amazon 7]

Balance my Old Jedei friend....Balance...

[steveorino 7]

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The only thing worse than this narrow mindedness is how so many people feel that if you are some sort of "hero" whether that be in skydiving, firefighting or serving in the armed service, that gives you the right to speak your vitrol garbage without being called on it.

POT KETTLE BLACK

j

I don't stand on my service as a platform to slam any group of people. If I have a problem with an individual on these forums it is from personal attacks and threats they made in PMs and emails.

But maybe I'm wrong. Please show me where I slammed a group of people with a broad stroke and did so with the impunity my time in service gave me

steveOrino

[wmw999 2,602]

I think there's supposed to be a smiley in there
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how so many people feel

and then you said how they felt. Which could, if you torture it enough, be construed as painting indeterminate groups with a broad brush.

Really, he's just joking around I'm pretty sure.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[steveorino 7]

okay, most likely. I need to leave this crap here. I've blocked this "heroes" PMs and emails so I guess I should move on. /rant

steveOrino

[NewGuy2005 53]

Now, let's talk about those Oklahoma people...

[steveorino 7]

Okies ... don't get this Texan going.

steveOrino

[waltappel 1]

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But maybe I'm wrong. Please show me where I slammed a group of people with a broad stroke and did so with the impunity my time in service gave me

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It seems to be the norm for people to paint large groups of people with one broad stroke, whether that be gen Xers, Boomers, freeflyers, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Democrats, republicans, people of different ethnicity than our own, yada, yada, yada.

In other words, there's two kinds of people in the word--those who agree with you and those who are intolerant jerks and hypocrites.

Yeah, whatever. You're just like everyone else that says that kind of crap.

Walt

[steveorino 7]

Okay, a bad choice of words. Maybe I screwed up my point.

steveOrino

[masterblaster72 0]

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It seems to be the norm for people to paint large groups of people with one broad stroke, whether that be gen Xers, Boomers, freeflyers, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Democrats, republicans, people of different ethnicity than our own, yada, yada, yada.

I know plenty of Christians and Muslims who are quiet God-fearing people, and I know some atheists who are more moral than many preachers. I've seen many compassionate republicans and democrats who don't want to abort every fetus. I've seen some hard working young people (like my son) who do not expect any entitlements, and I've seen men from the "greatest generation" that feel the world owes them a debt simply because they are old.

The only thing worse than this narrow mindedness is how so many people feel that if you are some sort of "hero" whether that be in skydiving, firefighting or serving in the armed service, that gives you the right to speak your vitrol garbage without being called on it.

Gimmee a break.

I think I know the thread and the "hero" you're referring to, I read that thread and thought to myself that your posts were right-on. Good stuff, you shouldn't be taking any sh.t for what you wrote.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[freethefly 6]

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It seems to be the norm for people to paint large groups of people with one broad stroke, whether that be gen Xers, Boomers, freeflyers, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Democrats, republicans, people of different ethnicity than our own, yada, yada, yada.

Bellyflyers ARE responsible for any and all evil known to the humanrace. Simply put, they are not quite right.
Come, come join us on the Darkside, where all is peaceful, serene and upside down.
Freefly is all there is and all that will ever be...BAWAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[waltappel 1]

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If you can't see the diference ... well ..

Yeah, I must be one of the intolerant jerks and hypocrites. I have no problem with that.

For real, I've often been amused at the irony of people who are intolerant of anyone who they consider to be intolerant or narrow-minded. I view them as being just like the people they despise.

Can I not see the difference between your brand of intolerance and the intolerance of those you are intolerant of? The way I see it they are two sides of the same coin, my friend.

Personally, I think you have some legitimate points, but I also think you can do a whole lot better than labeling people who label others.

Walt

[steveorino 7]

yep, you got me -- I changed my response.

steveOrino

[steveorino 7]

A better way to aproach this would to have said ...

I appreciate it when people look beyond the artificial barriers we tend to put up between us. Like when we recognize that there are plenty of Christians and Muslims who are quiet God-fearing people, and there are some atheists who are more moral than many preachers. That there are many compassionate republicans and democrats who don't want to abort every fetus. That there are some hard working young people (like my son) who do not expect any entitlements, and there are some old guys who think there are many fine young people that add a lot to this fabric we call life.

That is what I should have said.

Sorry for the negativity.

steveOrino

[PLFXpert 0]

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I've often been amused at the irony of people who are intolerant of anyone who they consider to be intolerant or narrow-minded.

This taken from what I said before in another thread:

"As your mind would likely be unwaivering in this case, such could be true for your friend as well. If you cherish your ability to stay true to yourself and your morals, it might be something to consider to also accept that in your friend.

One of my closest friends loves fur. We might never see eye to eye on this subject. But she will buy fur whether she is my friend or not. Thus, I would view it as a great loss, rather than a stand for my beliefs, to loose a friendship over it. Besides, the longer we're friends, the more influence I gain in her life. And she has bought less fur.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[PLFXpert 0]

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I appreciate it when people look beyond the artificial barriers we tend to put up between us. Like when we recognize that there are plenty of Christians and Muslims who are quiet God-fearing people, and there are some atheists who are more moral than many preachers. That there are many compassionate republicans and democrats who don't want to abort every fetus. That there are some hard working young people (like my son) who do not expect any entitlements, and there are some old guys who think there are many fine young people that add a lot to this fabric we call life.

I appreciate it, too. I suppose the difference is after about two seconds of feeling blue about being thought of as a bitch, it occurs to me I'm not supposed to give a shit.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[waltappel 1]

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I suppose the difference is after about two seconds of feeling blue about being thought of as a bitch, it occurs to me I'm not supposed to give a shit.

A sig line is born!

Walt

[rehmwa 2]

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It seems to be the norm for people to paint large groups of people with one broad stroke, whether that be gen Xers, Boomers, freeflyers, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Democrats, republicans, people of different ethnicity than our own, yada, yada, yada.

Bellyflyers ARE responsible for any and all evil known to the humanrace. Simply put, they are not quite right.
Come, come join us on the Darkside, where all is peaceful, serene and upside down.
Freefly is all there is and all that will ever be...BAWAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The "Darkside" is now and always has been CrW. Long before freefall instability became a fad for those that weren't talented enough to do high speed 4-way.

Posers try to steal a label for themselves.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[freethefly 6]

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Posers try to steal a label for themselves.

Oh, now we Freeflyers are "posers". Thanks for the label

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[rehmwa 2]

well, I am a certified "labeler"

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Butters 0]

It appears as though there are other people who agree about labeling groups of people ... http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39190

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[lawrocket 3]

It's impossible NOT to label "people." What makes us individuals is the blend of similarities we share with others, and the differences we have with others.

I cannot be a "mother" because I am [label coming]a "male." It simply cannot be escaped because giving "labels" is so gosh darn helpful. It eliminates the preconceived notion that I could be the mother of my son. Just knowing that I am a "male" lets people know a umber of things right off the bat.

People also know that I am an attorney. Okay, that lets people in on other ideas. Generally, they can figure out that I have some level of higher education and that I have skills that may come in useful. People looking for my services in a phone book won't find a "Jerry" section in the yellow pages. They'll look up "attorney" in the yellow pages to find me easiest. The "label" applied to me becomes something extremely useful not only to me but to the public.

Oops. I look "young." Here is where the "label" can run contrary. "young" means "inexperienced" in most peoples' eyes. Therefore, I need to put my diplomas, my commission, and other things on an "I love myself" wall so that people can see that I've been around the block a bit, thus doing my best to eliminate the "labeling" of me by prospective clients or opposing counsel, despite how useful the label

However, labeling somebody based upon preconceived notions can be used poorly. For example, labeling Christians as "intolerant." (side comment - calling someone "intolerant" is itself displaying a remarkable lack of tolerance). Labeling Middle Easterners as terrorist wackos. Labeling Mexicans as illegal wetbacks.

Labeling of anything or anybody can be done negatively. Indeed, labeling of a person can be read as a negative, even if it's intended as a positive. I told a black lady she looked so young for having a college-aged daughter. It was intended as a compliment, but it was a negative to her because of her perception of being "labeled" as a 14 year-old woman having a child, as is a common stereotype - a label of the young welfare queen.

But, Steve, one thing that must be considered is the "exception that proves the rule." What makes people stand out above their peers? It's the fact that the label put on other members does not apply to them. The compassionate Republican. The pro-life Democrat. The immoral preacher.

Labels are applied and accepted by all. it's a part of life. There is nothing inherently wrong with it. It's just that labels are like anything useful or even benevolent - they can be turned to something else.

My wife is hotter than your wife.