beowulf 1 #101 June 25, 2007 Zues is sovereign. Your call.... Has the same meaning to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #102 June 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteHe commands your repentance. With an attitude like that he's not going to fucking get it. Have you heard the story of the Battleship Captain who saw a light that appeared to be another ship on a collision course with his? He goes back and forth with the person who responded on the radio about who was going to change course. The Captain exclaimed his rank and importance and demanded to have it his way. The other person on the radio later stated that he was a lighthouse and for the Captain to make his call. God is described as “the Rock.” He doesn’t change. You are on a collision course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #103 June 25, 2007 Quote You are on a collision course There is no possible way you can prove your God exists, just as I have no possible way to prove that he does not exist. Also, spare us the quotes from your Burble. It is nothing more than fictional book written by humans to control other humans in a time when humans knew little about the universe and the physical laws of the universe we find ourselves in. Damn ... how many times do we have to have this debate. Now the FSM ... that is a completely different can of worms. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #104 June 25, 2007 QuoteGod is described as “the Rock.” He doesn’t change. Yep - he's a rock - the one on top of my rock garden. Doesn't change, doesn't talk, doesn't do much of anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #105 June 25, 2007 QuoteHave you heard the story of the Battleship Captain who saw a light that appeared to be another ship on a collision course with his? Why yes, yes I have. It's a joke. Kinda like your religion.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #106 June 26, 2007 QuoteI was not specifically trying to pick on you (hence the reason why I said all of us) ... I was just pointing out that the vast majority of us SC posters are opinionated and well there is also a lot of hypocricy here. I too try and be consistent. But I'm sure I slip up with my own hypocricy from time to time.So what you are saying is that, if there is a God, we are all going to fall short of his requirments at the day of judgment.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #108 June 26, 2007 Yawn ... did you say something? Because whatever it was you said, those were your words and not mine. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #109 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteGod is described as “the Rock.” He doesn’t change. Yep - he's a rock - the one on top of my rock garden. Doesn't change, doesn't talk, doesn't do much of anything. I thought that Peter was the rock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #110 June 26, 2007 I think when it says 'Peter was the rock on which He built His Church' has just been lost in translation. What He really said was 'Peter, get off that rock - if you don't move, this Church is gonna squish ya!' 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #111 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteBut there's no doubt that it's funny hearing NC say there's few attacks on atheists in a thread titled they're immoral. The title of this thread was written by an atheist, so I don't take it to be an attack on atheists. And then I got the impression that NC was saying that the 26% who voted that atheists are immoral are probably the people with the lowest IQ's.Yeah. I was basically saying there are a lot of dumb people in this country, so the findings of that poll shouldn't be too surprising... or a cause for concern for Atheists. QuoteOr did I misunderstand something? No. Some people just look for ways to misunderstand many things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #112 June 26, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I believe I'm consistent and avoid the hypocrisy, but by all means, point out where I stray. How's this? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2858429#2858429 Maybe hypocrite doesn't fit the bill. How about "do as I say... not as I do"? You'll have to help me out on that one. All I see there is a few guys trying to prove the Laffer Curve with no attention to basic economics. Here you go sport. Quote Quote Then ask for a source. Generally speaking, it's more constructive than resorting to ad hominem attacks and projecting onto the other person one's interpretation of their underlying motivation for quoting an article. Quote Did you try that approach in high school English or any college writing course? Citation is a given practice, both there and here. It's hardly new to you, so again I question the motivations. My point had to do with your communication mastery, not economics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #113 June 26, 2007 Quote Quote On this forum I seen very few attacks on Atheists. On the flip side, there seems to be regular attacks on Christians. We see what we want to see. And I see a heap of anti-Christian hostility from you in this thread. Thanks for illustrating my point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #114 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteOn this forum I seen very few attacks on Atheists. On the flip side, there seems to be regular attacks on Christians. We see what we want to see. And I see a heap of anti-Christian hostility from you in this thread. Apart from post #105... show me.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #115 June 26, 2007 Here are a couple examples of your civil discourse. QuoteBullshit comparison. According to you God thinks everyone should be punished. QuoteWith an attitude like that he's not going to fucking get it. And, of course: QuoteWhy yes, yes I have. It's a joke. Kinda like your religion. To recap: Bullshit... he doesn't fucking get it.. your religion is a joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #116 June 26, 2007 http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28626"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #117 June 26, 2007 QuoteBullshit comparison. It is obvious to anyone that the 'bullshit' was directed at Pajarito's analogy, ie. that his argument was deeply flawed. QuoteWith an attitude like that he's not going to fucking get it. This was directed at Pajarito's talk about God commanding respect/ adulation/ slavery/ whatever. In this respect I do not see Pajarito's beliefs as being at all representative of normal christianity. Fascism, maybe, but not christianity.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #118 June 26, 2007 Quote Here you go sport. Quote Quote Then ask for a source. Generally speaking, it's more constructive than resorting to ad hominem attacks and projecting onto the other person one's interpretation of their underlying motivation for quoting an article. Quote Did you try that approach in high school English or any college writing course? Citation is a given practice, both there and here. It's hardly new to you, so again I question the motivations. My point had to do with your communication mastery, not economics. This is a thread hijack, but a short one. So where is the hypocrisy? Did I not give you a source? In the above instance, that was asked for several times, and refused. If I don't go ahead and provide one, I will if asked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #119 June 26, 2007 The only connection between religion and morality is contrived to allow some people to feel superior to others. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #120 June 26, 2007 QuoteThe only connection between religion and morality is contrived to allow some people to feel superior to others./reply] Less cynical theory - religion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #121 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe only connection between religion and morality is contrived to allow some people to feel superior to others. Less cynical theory - religion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose I should have pluralized my statement, as I see such attitudes go both ways. Still, I disagree with your statement, in both the genesis of religion and its effectiveness at teaching morality. While it may give greater knowledge of the subject (technically, I suppose that's teaching), it seems to have little, if any, effect on implementation. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #122 June 26, 2007 Quote While it may give greater knowledge of the subject (technically, I suppose that's teaching), it seems to have little, if any, effect on implementation. I'll disagree with you there, Dave. One has to look at people in general, not just those examples that stick one's craw. (I know you are thinking of the leadership, televangelists, all the hypocrits, but not your coworkers, your neighbors, the average Joe....) In particular, look at the effect on kids, especially in lower education or poor areas. There's actually a lot to be said for the "Santa Claus" effect and upbringing. Edit: So, you are in a bad neighborhood. You turn a corner and see on left, a couple teenagers, they have their WWJD (IMO) pins on, their parents walk the talk, they go to religious school, they have discussions all the time about right and wrong, and the consequences of it all as part of their upbringing. On the right, a couple teenagers, they spend their weekends getting into trouble, mom and dad say one thing and do another, they play video games and hear discussions all the time about moral subjectiveness. Which side of the road to you walk down? Which kids are "likely" to be decent kids? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #123 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe only connection between religion and morality is contrived to allow some people to feel superior to others./reply] Less cynical theory - religion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose Less cynical, but blatantly incorrect. The origins of religion have very little to do with morality, IMO.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #124 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe only connection between religion and morality is contrived to allow some people to feel superior to others./reply] Less cynical theory - religion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose Less cynical, but blatantly incorrect. The origins of religion have very little to do with morality, IMO. You were there? REALLY? WOW!!! since I'm only putting a theory out. i.e., "IMHO" for you computer savvy types - but if you KNOW, that's very neato Try going back farther. I think it was an invented tool to get people to keep from being stupid. long long time ago - Don't eat old pork, you'll get a demon today - Don't eat old pork, the bad meat causes (medical term) and you'll get sick and die way back, without education and knowledge, keeping it simple and fear based was an effective motivator it's not that tough to grasp when you look at it from an anthrolpological viewpoint - heck, even today's justice system uses the same psychology. It's not rocket science, it's basic human motivation. I fully suspect that the rituals that came from this encouraged formal structure, and then corruption that comes from any large formal organization. And then these formal orgs abused their authority spawning all sorts of unreasonable individuals that are unable to sort out the good from the bad out of the concept. Strangely enough, they tend to talk in absolutes like using terms like "blatantly incorrect". Just like other religious zealots. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #125 June 26, 2007 Quotereligion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose Man-made laws and jails are also good tools for teaching morality, and similar to certain religions in that they teach "morality" based on fear of punishment. But hey, that's better than no morality at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 5 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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livendive 8 #121 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe only connection between religion and morality is contrived to allow some people to feel superior to others. Less cynical theory - religion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose I should have pluralized my statement, as I see such attitudes go both ways. Still, I disagree with your statement, in both the genesis of religion and its effectiveness at teaching morality. While it may give greater knowledge of the subject (technically, I suppose that's teaching), it seems to have little, if any, effect on implementation. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #122 June 26, 2007 Quote While it may give greater knowledge of the subject (technically, I suppose that's teaching), it seems to have little, if any, effect on implementation. I'll disagree with you there, Dave. One has to look at people in general, not just those examples that stick one's craw. (I know you are thinking of the leadership, televangelists, all the hypocrits, but not your coworkers, your neighbors, the average Joe....) In particular, look at the effect on kids, especially in lower education or poor areas. There's actually a lot to be said for the "Santa Claus" effect and upbringing. Edit: So, you are in a bad neighborhood. You turn a corner and see on left, a couple teenagers, they have their WWJD (IMO) pins on, their parents walk the talk, they go to religious school, they have discussions all the time about right and wrong, and the consequences of it all as part of their upbringing. On the right, a couple teenagers, they spend their weekends getting into trouble, mom and dad say one thing and do another, they play video games and hear discussions all the time about moral subjectiveness. Which side of the road to you walk down? Which kids are "likely" to be decent kids? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #123 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe only connection between religion and morality is contrived to allow some people to feel superior to others./reply] Less cynical theory - religion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose Less cynical, but blatantly incorrect. The origins of religion have very little to do with morality, IMO.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #124 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe only connection between religion and morality is contrived to allow some people to feel superior to others./reply] Less cynical theory - religion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose Less cynical, but blatantly incorrect. The origins of religion have very little to do with morality, IMO. You were there? REALLY? WOW!!! since I'm only putting a theory out. i.e., "IMHO" for you computer savvy types - but if you KNOW, that's very neato Try going back farther. I think it was an invented tool to get people to keep from being stupid. long long time ago - Don't eat old pork, you'll get a demon today - Don't eat old pork, the bad meat causes (medical term) and you'll get sick and die way back, without education and knowledge, keeping it simple and fear based was an effective motivator it's not that tough to grasp when you look at it from an anthrolpological viewpoint - heck, even today's justice system uses the same psychology. It's not rocket science, it's basic human motivation. I fully suspect that the rituals that came from this encouraged formal structure, and then corruption that comes from any large formal organization. And then these formal orgs abused their authority spawning all sorts of unreasonable individuals that are unable to sort out the good from the bad out of the concept. Strangely enough, they tend to talk in absolutes like using terms like "blatantly incorrect". Just like other religious zealots. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #125 June 26, 2007 Quotereligion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose Man-made laws and jails are also good tools for teaching morality, and similar to certain religions in that they teach "morality" based on fear of punishment. But hey, that's better than no morality at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 5 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
rehmwa 2 #124 June 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe only connection between religion and morality is contrived to allow some people to feel superior to others./reply] Less cynical theory - religion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose Less cynical, but blatantly incorrect. The origins of religion have very little to do with morality, IMO. You were there? REALLY? WOW!!! since I'm only putting a theory out. i.e., "IMHO" for you computer savvy types - but if you KNOW, that's very neato Try going back farther. I think it was an invented tool to get people to keep from being stupid. long long time ago - Don't eat old pork, you'll get a demon today - Don't eat old pork, the bad meat causes (medical term) and you'll get sick and die way back, without education and knowledge, keeping it simple and fear based was an effective motivator it's not that tough to grasp when you look at it from an anthrolpological viewpoint - heck, even today's justice system uses the same psychology. It's not rocket science, it's basic human motivation. I fully suspect that the rituals that came from this encouraged formal structure, and then corruption that comes from any large formal organization. And then these formal orgs abused their authority spawning all sorts of unreasonable individuals that are unable to sort out the good from the bad out of the concept. Strangely enough, they tend to talk in absolutes like using terms like "blatantly incorrect". Just like other religious zealots. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #125 June 26, 2007 Quotereligion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose Man-made laws and jails are also good tools for teaching morality, and similar to certain religions in that they teach "morality" based on fear of punishment. But hey, that's better than no morality at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 5 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Shotgun 1 #125 June 26, 2007 Quotereligion was created by man to establish an effective tool for teaching morality - it's still one of the best tools around for that purpose Man-made laws and jails are also good tools for teaching morality, and similar to certain religions in that they teach "morality" based on fear of punishment. But hey, that's better than no morality at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
