ltdiver 3 #1 June 20, 2007 Thought this was a unique approach to reduce global warming. Hey, everyone's got to do their share, right? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11170158 Quote"But in New Zealand, one-third of these warming gases come from animals, in the form of methane. So researchers are trying something unique to lower New Zealand's greenhouse-gas hoofprint:. . .." Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #2 June 20, 2007 Those that ridiculed Pres. Reagan for his comments concerning this subject should apologize. I noticed this quote from the article: Quote"New Zealand relies on the agricultural sector for its livelihood, and so we can't do anything to stop methane," says Clark. "It's got to get done without detriment to the productivity of the animal, that's a given." Why is it that this ag-scientist thinks that this NZ industry's productivity must not impacted. It is so arrogant for him to so casually assert that, while other industries are expected to absorb great impacts to reduce their contribution to the less important greenhouse gas, CO2.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #3 June 20, 2007 On the plus side, altering those bacteria could easily result in cattle and sheep that need to eat less, allowing more cattle/sheep to graze an area without overgrazing it. On the minus side, that's a symbiosis that has been evolving for a few million years; it would be easy to screw it up. And once it's good and screwed up it will spread fast - those bacteria are passed from cow to cow through the pasture normally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #4 June 20, 2007 What about methane emissions from skydivers? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #5 June 20, 2007 Quote Thought this was a unique approach to reduce global warming. Hey, everyone's got to do their share, right? Crazy Not so silly though, Methane is a real problem. I am told that there was a huge hydro electric dam in Canada that was flooded with all the trees still growing in the catchment area. This sort of practice is not only a waste of resources but a real producer of the ever so harmful methane. I watched a hydro dam in New Zealand (Lake Dunstan/Clyde Dam) and all the trees were chopped down and removed before it was flooded. These guys are onto a real good thing, but as was mentioned in another post they have to understand the repercussions of altering a natural process before taking to it. Having said that, fencing off animals that are designed to climb mountains in a flat paddock and feeding them up on grass that is pumped full of urea etc. is hardly natural either is it?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #6 June 21, 2007 Quote What about methane emissions from skydivers? Isn't that just absorbed (or breathed) back in by other skydivers? Especially if they can't get the door opened up fast enough! Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #7 July 5, 2007 QuoteThose that ridiculed Pres. Reagan for his comments concerning this subject should apologize. I noticed this quote from the article: Quote"New Zealand relies on the agricultural sector for its livelihood, and so we can't do anything to stop methane," says Clark. "It's got to get done without detriment to the productivity of the animal, that's a given." Why is it that this ag-scientist thinks that this NZ industry's productivity must not impacted. It is so arrogant for him to so casually assert that, while other industries are expected to absorb great impacts to reduce their contribution to the less important greenhouse gas, CO2.Because if the inpact on the ag industry is too heavy it will effect NZ'd over all ecconomy, that inturn effect all other industries negativelyYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #8 July 5, 2007 Don't these people have anything better to do? Remember, you can't fool Mother Nature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #9 July 6, 2007 Quote Because if the inpact on the ag industry is too heavy it will effect NZ'd over all ecconomy, that inturn effect all other industries negatively Right you are, agriculture is New Zealand's primary source of income. second is tourism. Dairy farming is growing rapidly, heck I drink New Zealand milk and eat New Zealand butter and cheese here in east Africa and it is the same price as local product and a shit load better ."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #10 July 6, 2007 Quote Don't these people have anything better to do? Reducing the effects of human development on the environment should be the primary focus of every country. QuoteRemember, you can't fool Mother Nature. Do you take pharmaceuticals? there are plenty of those that work and plenty that don't, what is the difference here? What is your countries primary industry? And what is your country doing to reduce the negative impacts that industry has on the planet?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #11 July 6, 2007 Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't these people have anything better to do? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reducing the effects of human development on the environment should be the primary focus of every country. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember, you can't fool Mother Nature. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteDo you take pharmaceuticals? there are plenty of those that work and plenty that don't, what is the difference here? What is your countries primary industry? And what is your country doing to reduce the negative impacts that industry has on the planet? The industrial expense, effort and pollution put into creating and sustaining a supply of pills that will keep a bunch of cattle from farting and burping will far outweigh the amount of pollution put out by the cattle. It's all a big joke to keep people busy and employed who really don't want to find a real job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #12 July 7, 2007 Quote The industrial expense, effort and pollution put into creating and sustaining a supply of pills that will keep a bunch of cattle from farting and burping will far outweigh the amount of pollution put out by the cattle. It's all a big joke to keep people busy and employed who really don't want to find a real job. Do you realise there how many cattle ther are in New Zealand? From your comments i am assuming you don't there are 'Shit loads' methane from cattle is by far the largest contributer to the dessemation of our atmosphere from New Zealand. I could say "at least we give a shit" oops did i just say that? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #13 July 7, 2007 QuoteDo you realise there how many cattle ther are in New Zealand? I'd say, probably no more than in the state of Florida. You guys are an island and we are a penninsula, and the sea breeze is going to dissapate it quickly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #14 July 9, 2007 > You guys are an island and we are a penninsula, and the sea breeze is >going to dissapate it quickly. I think perhaps you misunderstand the issues behind increases in methane concentrations in our atmosphere. They are, after all, on the same planet as we are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #15 July 9, 2007 apparently not ALL of them are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #16 July 9, 2007 > You guys are an island and we are a penninsula, and the sea breeze is >going to dissapate it quickly. QuoteI think perhaps you misunderstand the issues behind increases in methane concentrations in our atmosphere. They are, after all, on the same planet as we are.My point is that the whole idea of rounding up hundreds of thousands of cattle off of open range and forcing them to take a pill on a daily or weekly basis would be a logistical nightmare at best. Imagine the amount of energy used and the amount of CO2 spewed into the atmosphere in the process,not to mention the manufacturing process, which again, includes shipping these drugs or bacteria everywhere. Self defeating at best, so why even bother with such insanity? Don't forget that if Al Gore has his way, we'll have to do this the world over, especially in the U.S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #17 July 9, 2007 >My point is that the whole idea of rounding up hundreds of thousands >of cattle off of open range and forcing them to take a pill on a daily or >weekly basis would be a logistical nightmare at best. I agree. It's not a very good idea. > Don't forget that if Al Gore has his way, we'll have to do this the world over, especially in the U.S. Gore is not pushing this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #18 July 9, 2007 QuoteGore is not pushing this. Let's hope that he doesn't get wind of all of that methane or there'll be a concert to eliminate cow farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #19 July 9, 2007 >Let's hope that he doesn't get wind of all of that methane or there'll be a >concert to eliminate cow farts. Let's hope Bush doesn't hear about it or we'll go to war with Brazil to stop the threat of New Zealand sheep! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #20 July 9, 2007 QuoteLet's hope Bush doesn't hear about it or we'll go to war with Brazil to stop the threat of New Zealand sheep! Seriously, you're going to have to break that one down for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #21 July 10, 2007 >Seriously, you're going to have to break that one down for me. Well, if New Zealand poses a threat, you certainly have to attack someone - and it wouldn't do to attack the source of the problem (like, say, Saudi Arabia after 9/11.) Much easier to attack an oil rich country in the name of defending the US. And although Brazil doesn't have much oil, they do have some sort of gasoline product. I'm sure we'll be welcomed as liberators and it will all work out. You better not start arguing about this! What, do you want our enemies to WIN? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
