Butters 0 #1 June 19, 2007 Just wondering ... Edit: Exceptions are allowed. Please list exceptions."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 June 19, 2007 Does Pro-Abortion mean legislating that every pregnancy must be aborted? If so, I can't vote. (BTW - I don't like the term pro-choice much either - anti-abortion is the only truly accurate term in the list of charged rhetoric) Pro-capital punishment (but with a lot of caviats and reluctantly) Abortion? still out to lunch on that position, it's a sticky one ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #3 June 19, 2007 Both should be applied in exceptional cases only.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 June 19, 2007 I can't answer the poll as posted. While I do not believe in abortion I am torn as to who should control who and, who should make these kind of decisions. (I am pro capital punishment by the way, and I know you are looking to exploit the hypocrisy part of this but wait until you read the end of my post) So, when it comes to abortion I feel that the law regarding this should be left to the states and that no federal money be made available for one side or the other."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 June 19, 2007 Here here..... a voice of reason in the vast wilderness of shouting at each other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #6 June 19, 2007 I tend to support abortion, though not with any great enthusiasm, but am absolutely opposed to capital punishment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 June 19, 2007 I support choice... and that comes from several points.. NO woman should be FORCED to carry a fetus that she does not want to...for whatever reason.. rape..lack of support..inability to care for what will later be a child. Our bodies reject a fairly high number of "conceptions" and its normal when a fetus will not be viable.. or for a million other reasons. Even later in the pregnancy there are a lot of miscarriages for many reasons. On the FLIP side I do not want to be complicit in state sponsored murder as retribution for a crime. But there are some evil people among us who are such a threat to other human beings there is no alternative. Those who lack any compunction about killing anyone around them for whatever little reason even in a controlled prison... need the be put out of their misery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #8 June 19, 2007 QuoteI know you are looking to exploit the hypocrisy part of this ... Not looking to exploit anything. I voted Anti-Abortion & Pro-Capital Punishment. Why? Because I believe this perspective holds people responsible for their actions."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #9 June 19, 2007 QuoteSo, when it comes to abortion I feel that the law regarding this should be left to the states and that no federal money be made available for one side or the other. Now this is something I find curious. Legislation is legislation - why does it matter if it comes from the federal level or state level? Surely the end result of the law is exactly the same.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #10 June 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo, when it comes to abortion I feel that the law regarding this should be left to the states and that no federal money be made available for one side or the other. Now this is something I find curious. Legislation is legislation - why does it matter if it comes from the federal level or state level? Surely the end result of the law is exactly the same. good point, not federal, or state, or local money should support someone's choice in this matter - but that's a digression from the topic ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 June 19, 2007 QuoteNow this is something I find curious. Legislation is legislation - why does it matter if it comes from the federal level or state level? Surely the end result of the law is exactly the same. Its a Red State.... state of mind as handed down from the pulpit as an edict on Sunday morning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #12 June 19, 2007 As long as the fetus is inside a woman, it's her choice whether to continue to carry it. Like I said in the other thread, my personal choice is that I would never have an abortion unless my life was in danger, but I'm not going to tell anybody else what to do with their own bodies. With regards to where life begins, I don't care, and I think that clouds the debate. It's her body. Period. I think it would be awesome if we can develop the technology to simply remove the fetus, raise it in an artificial womb, and give it to someone who wants a baby but can't have one. The waiting lists to adopt infants are huge. As far as capital punishment, I oppose it, because I know that the justice system is far from perfect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 June 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo, when it comes to abortion I feel that the law regarding this should be left to the states and that no federal money be made available for one side or the other. Now this is something I find curious. Legislation is legislation - why does it matter if it comes from the federal level or state level? Surely the end result of the law is exactly the same. I look at it in the context of the constitution. The states have the power. The feds make sure rights are upheld and that is what the supreem court is for. When that same court creates law or infers rights we are headed down a dangerous path. This issue, IMO, should be dealt with at the state level, not the federal level. The end result will be laws and governace that reflects the values of that state."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #14 June 19, 2007 Quote Quote I know you are looking to exploit the hypocrisy part of this ... Not looking to exploit anything. I voted Anti-Abortion & Pro-Capital Punishment. Why? Because I believe this perspective holds people responsible for their actions. the responsiblity issue you raise here is the key in the end. Nicely done and oh, sorry I was looking for a trap In the end I vote as you have."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #15 June 19, 2007 Pro-choice, but not a big fan of late term abortions unless the womans health is in danger. With respect to capital punishment, I agree with it for murder, rape and child sex offences. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #16 June 19, 2007 QuoteAs long as the fetus is inside a woman, it's her choice whether to continue to carry it. While I respect your personal view, we're not talking about 'carrying it' we're talking about killing it. How can a woman (or man) have the 'right' to kill a unborn child?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #17 June 19, 2007 I believe that every unborn baby should have their opportunity to end up on death row. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #18 June 19, 2007 Thats very democratic of you Royd When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #19 June 19, 2007 I voted Anti and Anti. That might be surprising to some. I agree with the statement that both should be applied in extreme cases only, however that will always give rise to the "what and who determines extreme" arguments. My stance on the death penalty is simply that in our current system, it is FAR too costly to put someone to death. We have rocks that need breaking, let them do that until they die instead. I always did find it curious that many vehement pro-choicers are also anti-death penalty. It's okay to end a life that could be nothing but innocent, but NOT okay to end a life that has been found to be very FAR from innocent. Strange.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #20 June 19, 2007 QuoteI always did find it curious that many vehement pro-choicers are also anti-death penalty. It's okay to end a life that could be nothing but innocent, but NOT okay to end a life that has been found to be very FAR from innocent. Strange. That is the one perspective I do not understand (hence the reason I asked the question). Does anyone care to explain?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #21 June 19, 2007 I don't think that most pro-choice people would consider themselves to be pro-abortion, so your poll options may not work for some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 June 19, 2007 QuoteI don't think that most pro-choice people would consider themselves to be pro-abortion, so your poll options may not work for some. pro-choice isn't that accurate a term either waddaya do? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #23 June 19, 2007 QuoteI don't think that most pro-choice people would consider themselves to be pro-abortion, so your poll options may not work for some. If you are Anti-Abortion but Pro-Choice then I still have the question ... What choice do the fetus or father have? What choice did the criminal have?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #24 June 19, 2007 QuoteIf you are Anti-Abortion but Pro-Choice I'm not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joedirt 0 #25 June 19, 2007 Quote it is FAR too costly to put someone to death I've heard people say this before but can't seem to wrap my head around the math on this one. Care to explain? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
