Butters 0 #151 June 21, 2007 Given other current issues I have to ask: Could a woman who regrets having an abortion sue the abortion clinic?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #152 June 21, 2007 Quote Quote Should we ban marriage? nope, and the government shouldn't pay for it either Did the government pay you to marry your wife? Does she know about this? How do you know they didn't have to pay her 10 times as much? It's all becoming clear to me now." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #153 June 21, 2007 QuoteGiven other current issues I have to ask: Could a woman who regrets having an abortion sue the abortion clinic? Huh? Why? What kind of law suit hungry society do you want to create? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #154 June 21, 2007 Quote You just keep telling yourself that. Here's a survey of women who had abortions. http://www.afterabortion.info/survey1.html Some highlights... . . . If counseling a friend who was in a situation such as yours, would you encourage her to choose an abortion? Not at all - 98% What are your feelings about abortion today? (negative-1; positive-5) 98% chose 1 (most negative) Quote Note, this was a survey of women who had some involement with Women Exploited By Abortion, a peer support group for women who were experiencing negative post-abortion reaction. Because this is a self-selected sample of the those who had a "bad experience" these findings should not be interpreted as representative of a random sample of all women who have had abortions. What percentage of women have "bad experiences" such as those described herein remains unknown. Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #155 June 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteGiven other current issues I have to ask: Could a woman who regrets having an abortion sue the abortion clinic? Huh? Why? What kind of law suit hungry society do you want to create? I never said whether I would be for or against such a lawsuit. I was just asking the question. (I am actually againt the majority of lawsuits and would be against such a lawsuit.)"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #156 June 21, 2007 Quote Quote You just keep telling yourself that. Here's a survey of women who had abortions. http://www.afterabortion.info/survey1.html Some highlights... . . . If counseling a friend who was in a situation such as yours, would you encourage her to choose an abortion? Not at all - 98% What are your feelings about abortion today? (negative-1; positive-5) 98% chose 1 (most negative) Quote Note, this was a survey of women who had some involement with Women Exploited By Abortion, a peer support group for women who were experiencing negative post-abortion reaction. Because this is a self-selected sample of the those who had a "bad experience" these findings should not be interpreted as representative of a random sample of all women who have had abortions. What percentage of women have "bad experiences" such as those described herein remains unknown. How about that... you're the third person to point out the shortcomings of that study. Any one care to refute the findings of the study by David M Fergusson, I linked? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #157 June 21, 2007 QuoteHow about that... you're the third person to point out the shortcomings of that study. Any one care to refute the findings of the study by David M Fergusson, I linked? Well, did you post it knowing it was not a serious or supportive study of the effect you were citing? The other one barely supports your position. For one, it does not give much hard data. I could not find information on comparative or control groups. The statement about elevated levels of depression and suicide do not say how elevated above other groups. Just guessing, but with confidence, that suicide and depression are higher for moms than childless women. Should we ban childbirth? I remember reading that the highest suicide rate in the USA is among dentists. Should we ban becoming a dentist? I noticed that study had some positive outcomes in the lives of women that had abortions. The whole premise seems vague and wishy-washy. If there was a study that showed that women that had an abortion had triple the suicide rate as women that had a child, and accounted for other factors then I would agree that such information should be provided to women seeking abortion. It still is not a reason to remove the choice though. I'm surprised nobody has even mentioned skydiving. A study would very likely find that jumping out of a plane dramatically increases the chances of accidental death. Should skydiving be banned for that reason?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #158 June 22, 2007 I would have to say Pro-Choice. That is not pro-abortion. In the imortal words of Wanda Sykes, "Girls don't sit around asking, what do you want to do tinight? I don't know, lets go get an abortion." I think all other options should be considered before an abotion. You shouldn't have one just because you don't want to have a child. However, in cases of rape, incest, severe birth defects, or the mothers life is in danger, then yes, you should have a choice. Because of the psycho nut job extreme right wing "You are committing murder with every abortion" people who are out there and only see in black or white, I have to be pro-choice. Once they get their teeth in, you won't be able to get them to let go."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdiver 0 #159 June 23, 2007 QuoteI would have to say Pro-Choice. That is not pro-abortion. However, in cases of rape, incest, severe birth defects, or the mothers life is in danger, then yes, you should have a choice. Because of the psycho nut job extreme right wing "You are committing murder with every abortion" people who are out there and only see in black or white, I have to be pro-choice. Once they get their teeth in, you won't be able to get them to let go.this is actually the position of most pro life supporters. pro lifers are against abortion as a use of birth control, where pro choice is touting the if you dont want it get rid of it like a baby is something to be thrown out with the rest of the garbage.light travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #160 June 23, 2007 Pro choice.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #161 June 25, 2007 Quote I personally don't think that birth is the defining point of when the fetus becomes a person, but I'm really not sure where the line should be drawn. So you do not agree with current situation, but offer nothing else instead? This is not constructive.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #162 June 25, 2007 QuoteWhat laws aren't based on morality issues? In secular societies most - if not all - laws are not based on morality issues. There is a lot of things which are "morally wrong" but legal; there are a lot of things which are "morally neitral" but still illegal.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #163 June 25, 2007 QuoteQuote I personally don't think that birth is the defining point of when the fetus becomes a person, but I'm really not sure where the line should be drawn. So you do not agree with current situation, but offer nothing else instead? This is not constructive. If I had a better solution, I would offer it. I haven't seen anyone else offer a better solution either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #164 June 25, 2007 Quote If I had a better solution, I would offer it. I haven't seen anyone else offer a better solution either. And maybe the reason for that is that there is no better solution?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #165 June 25, 2007 QuoteQuote If I had a better solution, I would offer it. I haven't seen anyone else offer a better solution either. And maybe the reason for that is that there is no better solution? I don't know. I haven't been able to think of one, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #166 June 25, 2007 Quote I don't know. I haven't been able to think of one, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one. Well, it means that there isn't one for this particular moment, and the human society was not able to find one during last 20 centuries. Which adds something to support the theory that there is no one. Not to mention I see no problems with current solution* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #167 June 25, 2007 Quotepro lifers are against abortion as a use of birth control, where pro choice is touting the if you dont want it get rid of it like a baby is something to be thrown out with the rest of the garbage.Boy howdy -- there's some neutral language there Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #168 June 25, 2007 QuoteI personally don't think that birth is the defining point of when the fetus becomes a person, but I'm really not sure where the line should be drawn. It is tough to draw that line - I'm sure it's somewhere between 25 and 30 years after. But that's a pretty big window. There would need to be other defining criteria to nail it down. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #169 June 25, 2007 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19387533/ The suspect is being charged with murdering the mother and the fetus."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
