Gulf Stream and Europe's Climate

[billvon 3,119]

>Does anyone know of an essentially useless area that fits this description?

Downtown LA? Washington DC?

>should have no problem convincing the galactic matter to only enter
>the planet's system at that single location - maybe with the use of a fence
>and a strict screening process.

Well, if you just gave all that matter amnesty, I'm sure it would start abiding by all those rules.

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>Well, if you just gave all that matter amnesty, I'm sure it would start abiding by all those rules.

as long it covers its own costs and pays taxes like the decent, homebred celestial solar fallout that came here 95 years ago and learned the language.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

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>And research shows that temps have been higher than what we are seeing
>today and in some cases higher than even the most extreem predictions.

Of course. At one point the planet was a molten ball of rock. So?this is just a rediculas statement. You know full well that there is research out there showing exactly what I posted. Come on Bill

>if man was not the culprit how the hell did get that hot??

Massive volcanic eruptions. Meteor impacts. Solar instability. Milankovitch resonances. There are about a dozen ways temperatures change on this planet. Surely with all your research you have stumbled across a few of these, no?

NIce, going to avoid the topic. Says volumes

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,119]

>this is just a rediculas statement. You know full well that there is
>research out there showing exactly what I posted. Come on Bill

Again, do you even know what you are replying to? The temperature of the planet has been all over the place, from molten rock to ice age. No one is arguing that.

>NIce, going to avoid the topic. Says volumes

You asked how, in the past, the temperature increased. I listed some factors that can cause temperature increases (and decreases.) You think I'm avoiding the topic? I think you're a little out of your depth here if you can't follow that.

[rushmc 23]

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>this is just a rediculas statement. You know full well that there is
>research out there showing exactly what I posted. Come on Bill

Again, do you even know what you are replying to? The temperature of the planet has been all over the place, from molten rock to ice age. No one is arguing that.

>NIce, going to avoid the topic. Says volumes

You asked how, in the past, the temperature increased. I listed some factors that can cause temperature increases (and decreases.) You think I'm avoiding the topic? I think you're a little out of your depth here if you can't follow that.

Wow, you admitted it. The temps have increased and decreased WAY BEFORE MAN WAS AROUND and it will long after we are gone.

Now, I know this is not what you meant but I thought throwing your tactic back in your face could, maybe, be a revalation

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,119]

>The temps have increased and decreased WAY BEFORE MAN WAS
>AROUND and it will long after we are gone.

Of course. There have been ice ages and thaws before, due to some of the things that I listed above. (And none of them involved SUV's.) This time, we're the cause, and we're causing a much more rapid change than we've seen in the past.

The climate has changed before, and will change again. The question is not whether we can keep the planet at the same temperature forever; we can't. The question is how fast we want to force that change to happen.

[philh 0]

You are presenting a false dichotomy: either man causes climate change or nature does; why cant it be both?

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You are presenting a false dichotomy: either man causes climate change or nature does; why cant it be both?

I think it is both. The rub is the chicken little hysterics want to put the lion's share of the blame on human activity. Seems to bes another manifestation of that whole white-liberal-guilt thing.

[billvon 3,119]

> The rub is the chicken little hysterics want to put the lion's share
>of the blame on human activity. Seems to bes another manifestation of
>that whole white-liberal-guilt thing.

(to play along with the above partisan nonsense)

Sadly, the victim-culture conservatives want to believe it's all someone else's fault. It must be the volcanoes - no, the sun - no, this week it's water vapor! Maybe it will be the sun again next week. Anything but us! Because if we had much to do with it, well, that would require a bit of personal responsibility. And most conservatives would rather die than admit responsibility for anything. They're the poor downtrodden VICTIMS of both global warming and the evil criminally funded UN plot to take over the world via the IPCC!

[rushmc 23]

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> The rub is the chicken little hysterics want to put the lion's share
>of the blame on human activity. Seems to bes another manifestation of
>that whole white-liberal-guilt thing.

(to play along with the above partisan nonsense)

Sadly, the victim-culture conservatives want to believe it's all someone else's fault. It must be the volcanoes - no, the sun - no, this week it's water vapor! Maybe it will be the sun again next week. Anything but us! Because if we had much to do with it, well, that would require a bit of personal responsibility. And most conservatives would rather die than admit responsibility for anything. They're the poor downtrodden VICTIMS of both global warming and the evil criminally funded UN plot to take over the world via the IPCC!

You have is backwards. The "victum culture" that you speak of is the left's trademark property which is part of the agenda driven politicaly motivated eco moralist, we evil conservatives want to destroy the planet for money, group.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,119]

>The "victum culture" that you speak of is the left's . . .

If you're referring to "victim culture" the right has recently inherited it.

We're not losing in Iraq, we're a victim of the lying liberal press!
We aren't at all responsible for climate change; we are the victim of natural processes and lying liberal environmentalists!
We don't have a culture of corruption, we're the victims of unscrupulous liberal prosecutors!
We didn't lose the last election because people dislike the job we're doing, we're victims of the pro-liberal, anti-conservative press!

Victim is as victim does.

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>The "victum culture" that you speak of is the left's . . .

If you're referring to "victim culture" the right has recently inherited it.

We're not losing in Iraq, we're a victim of the lying liberal press!
We aren't at all responsible for climate change; we are the victim of natural processes and lying liberal environmentalists!
We don't have a culture of corruption, we're the victims of unscrupulous liberal prosecutors!
We didn't lose the last election because people dislike the job we're doing, we're victims of the pro-liberal, anti-conservative press!

Victim is as victim does.

Now, that's just plain silly.

[rushmc 23]

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>The "victum culture" that you speak of is the left's . . .

If you're referring to "victim culture" the right has recently inherited it.

We're not losing in Iraq, we're a victim of the lying liberal press!No, we are not allowing your side and the media to lie about it. So, you are still the vitim of the rights lies
We aren't at all responsible for climate change; we are the victim of natural processes and lying liberal environmentalists!No, we will not become vitims of the alarmists lies. We will try and stop the damage to an economy for a non-science agenda drive activity
We don't have a culture of corruption, we're the victims of unscrupulous liberal prosecutors!In some cases but in other people have went to jail as they should, and the right backed that up. Far better than the left and the media is calling for Jeffersons head
We didn't lose the last election because people dislike the job we're doing, we're victims of the pro-liberal, anti-conservative press!Nope, the conservatives did that to themselves by becoming afraid of the press stories and not holding to thier principals. they do and should blame themselves cause they are the ones that screwed it up

Victim is as victim does.

You got that correct

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,119]

>No, we are not allowing your side and the media to lie about it.

My side? I think I'm with GQ_Jumper, if that could be considered a "side." I think his take on things is probably more accurate than the right wing OR the left wing outlets trying to spin things their own way.

Fortunately, no one is buying the "we're winning in Iraq, and we will achieve victory in six months!" crap any more, and they're seeing through the transparent ploys like the "Baghdad markets are just like Indiana markets" stunt McCain pulled a while back.

>No, we will not become vitims . . .

Too late! You've already staked out your claim there. Mankind has nothing to do with it; the type II deniers are merely victims of nature.

>Nope, the conservatives did that to themselves by becoming afraid of the
>press stories and not holding to thier principals. they do and should blame
>themselves cause they are the ones that screwed it up

Now, if we started to see more of _that_ attitude they might start winning elections again.

[rushmc 23]

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>No, we are not allowing your side and the media to lie about it.

My side? I think I'm with GQ_Jumper, if that could be considered a "side." I think his take on things is probably more accurate than the right wing OR the left wing outlets trying to spin things their own way.

Fortunately, no one is buying the "we're winning in Iraq, and we will achieve victory in six months!" crap any more, and they're seeing through the transparent ploys like the "Baghdad markets are just like Indiana markets" stunt McCain pulled a while back.

>No, we will not become vitims . . .

Too late! You've already staked out your claim there. Mankind has nothing to do with it; the type II deniers are merely victims of nature.WOW, we can control nature?? We don't have to live in what it gives us??Dam man, you have the power

>Nope, the conservatives did that to themselves by becoming afraid of the
>press stories and not holding to thier principals. they do and should blame
>themselves cause they are the ones that screwed it up

Now, if we started to see more of _that_ attitude they might start winning elections again.

Just wait and see!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,119]

>WOW, we can control nature?

Next time you're in the West, stop by:

The Salton Sea.
The Colorado river as it flows through Yuma.
The former Colorado River delta.
Las Vegas. Compare it to Death Valley on a hot day.
El Centro. See if there are more plants there than you'd expect in the desert.

Then get back to me on whether we have to live with what nature gives us.

[rushmc 23]

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>WOW, we can control nature?

Next time you're in the West, stop by:

The Salton Sea.
The Colorado river as it flows through Yuma.
The former Colorado River delta.
Las Vegas. Compare it to Death Valley on a hot day.
El Centro. See if there are more plants there than you'd expect in the desert.

Then get back to me on whether we have to live with what nature gives us.

I am talking about climate weather pal. The same thing we have been talking about all along but you have to take side steps for some reason.

We are talking controling or affecting global temps.

Once again you go to mislead the topic......

"adapting" to it is one thing. Using it is yet another. Controling it? WOW, you and He Man

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,119]

>I am talking about climate weather pal.

Then google "Dust Bowl."

>We are talking controling or affecting global temps.

Yep. There's no question that we're changing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. It's simple math; megatons of CO2 exhausted vs megatons of air in our atmosphere. It's as easy as figuring out how much water a dam will have to hold back.

And when you change the concentration of something by 50% - expect to see some changes.

[NCclimber 0]

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I am talking about climate weather pal. The same thing we have been talking about all along but you have to take side steps for some reason.

We are talking controling or affecting global temps.

Oh, Captain Planet. Save us!

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>I am talking about climate weather pal.

Then google "Dust Bowl."

You mean we could have prevented it?

[billvon 3,119]

>You mean we could have prevented it?

Uh, yeah. It's pretty common knowledge that poor land management caused it. Today it doesn't happen because we've gotten better at managing farm land.

Like I said, google it.

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>You mean we could have prevented it?

Uh, yeah. It's pretty common knowledge that poor land management caused it. Today it doesn't happen because we've gotten better at managing farm land.

Like I said, google it.

You mean the drought that preceded it could have been avoided?

[rushmc 23]

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>You mean we could have prevented it?

Uh, yeah. It's pretty common knowledge that poor land management caused it. Today it doesn't happen because we've gotten better at managing farm land.

Like I said, google it.

It must be hard to see the difference between a local and world event

You mean the drought that preceded it could have been avoided?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,119]

>You mean the drought that preceded it could have been avoided?

No. The poor land management that caused it could have been avoided, which would have made the drought (which happens periodically) a non-event.

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>You mean the drought that preceded it could have been avoided?

No. The poor land management that caused it could have been avoided, which would have made the drought (which happens periodically) a non-event.

LOL

I call BULLSHIT. The drought (actually four separate droughts) is considered the worst drought in this country's history. It lasted 10 years, covering more than 75 percent of the country and affecting 27 states severely.

Non-event, indeed.