Amazon 7 #26 June 18, 2007 Knowing you Max.....and what you have done in your life... I would. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #27 June 18, 2007 Quote You know you watched it, So -- were the Wolverines terrorists or freedom fighters? And why? Wendy W. Hey....I was in the movie bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #28 June 18, 2007 Quote Quote You know you watched it, So -- were the Wolverines terrorists or freedom fighters? And why? Wendy W. Hey....I was in the movie Pack any of the rigs?? I DID! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 June 18, 2007 Red Dawn was a clear example of freedom fighters as you get. No doubt who invaded, what the people of the town wanted. Iraq is slightly more muddled. --- I find the cold war movies from Hollywood in the 80s to be very interesting. Red Dawn, Rambo II and more so III, and Rocky IV were notables. But then you had Moscow on the Hudson which humanized the Soviets, but still castigated its government. Spies like Us - one of the few funny Chevy Chase movies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #30 June 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote You know you watched it, So -- were the Wolverines terrorists or freedom fighters? And why? Wendy W. Hey....I was in the movie Pack any of the rigs?? I DID! Nope. Did you pack the one that caused me to land downtown ? Or was that the wind ? bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #31 June 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote You know you watched it, So -- were the Wolverines terrorists or freedom fighters? And why? Wendy W. Hey....I was in the movie Pack any of the rigs?? I DID! Nope. Did you pack the one that caused me to land downtown ? Or was that the wind ? Yes & Yes.... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #32 June 18, 2007 Quote [ Pack any of the rigs?? I DID! Nope. Did you pack the one that caused me to land downtown ? Or was that the wind ? Yes & Yes.... I KNEW IT !!!!! bastard bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #33 June 18, 2007 the honest answer is : you are right about what a terrorist is. the real question is: how do they get their money?we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #34 June 18, 2007 From the Government! Fascinating - Nexus & Conspiracytimes.com have now been added to my favourites. Life well never be the same again.edit: IMMORTALITY & THE GILGAMESH PROJECT was excellent too. Not. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #35 June 19, 2007 Damn son. You ARE starting to see the light. Get back to me in 20 -30 yrs.I'll prolly be dead by then tho. Quote Hell, you'd shit your pants if you sw how much I've mellowed out since I started my third tour, I'm a mere shadow of my former self, i've been toe-to-toe with my teammates a few times over things that are acceptable but I still felt the need to question our level of agression. don't get me wrong I still love mixin it up(I'm 20-3 at fight nights on the FOB), but I've just found more of an understanding for the other side and what they stand for. Like I said, I'm getting soft in my old age History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #36 June 19, 2007 History is written by the victors, if they lost they were terrorists, if the won the were FFYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #37 June 19, 2007 QuoteYou know you watched it, So -- were the Wolverines terrorists or freedom fighters? And why? Wendy W. Depends, what religion were they again?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CDRINF 1 #38 June 20, 2007 Depends not on who wins, but where you are: Just prior to executing a Soviet prisoner and an American turncoat, one of the kids trys to stop Patrick Swayze and says: "If you do this, what's the difference between us and them?!" Swayze answers: "The difference is that WE LIVE HERE!" It's that simple. No one wants outsiders occupying their country. CDR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #39 June 20, 2007 Quote I've never watched the movie, so now I'll have to order it on Netflix. Was just about to do the same, then I read the description & cast. Oh, and it seems (much to my surprise) I previously rated this one "not interested".Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #40 June 20, 2007 it's more comical in modern time. Program your tivo to find it. It's still brainless entertainment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #41 June 20, 2007 Quote It's still brainless entertainment. What are you trying to say?I have to say, I always appreciate Wendy's sociological perspectives & inquiries. But, Charlie Sheen, Wendy?On the plus side I never knew Swayze & Gray had done anything but dirty dance together. I'm going to KILL next time I play six degree of Kevin Bacon!Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,565 #42 June 20, 2007 QuoteBut, Charlie Sheen, Wendy?And guys like Pamela Anderson because of her brains and personality? (actually, I'd forgotten he was in it. Personally, I kind of liked Powers Boothe & Patrick Swayze) Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #43 June 20, 2007 It should be noted as a child I vowed I would marry Mr. Swayze.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #44 June 21, 2007 QuoteYou know you watched it, So -- were the Wolverines terrorists or freedom fighters? And why? Wendy W. None of the above, really. Partisan is the label that best applies here. They may have used "guerilla" warfare and "terrorist" tactics but they were actually "partisans", fighting more for LIBERATION...not to initially gain freedom but to RESTORE it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #45 June 22, 2007 Quote Quote But, Charlie Sheen, Wendy? And guys like Pamela Anderson because of her brains and personality? (actually, I'd forgotten he was in it. Personally, I kind of liked Powers Boothe & Patrick Swayze) Wendy W. Lea Thompson & Jennifer Grey ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #46 July 7, 2007 QuoteYou know you watched it, So -- were the Wolverines terrorists or freedom fighters? And why? Wendy W. You're kidding, right? They were survivors of an invasion of their sovereign nation, fighting back against their attackers. Why on earth would anyone consider for even a moment that they were "terrorists"? They were fully justified in using violence to repel violence. They were "guerrillas," certainly, in the manner of their warfare. But they were freedom fighters all the way. Doesn't depend at all on who won eventually; depends on objectivity. They were invaded. They repelled the invaders.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #47 July 7, 2007 Quote History is written by the victors, if they lost they were terrorists, if the won the were FF If you owned a dog, and you and the dog were killed by someone who later wrote a history of the events and claimed that it was a cat you had, does that make your dog a cat? Seriously, this claim that history actually was whatever the "victor" says it was is absurd. All that's really true in such a case is that "history says this or that," not that history was this or that. So even if 100 years later the Russians/commies wrote books that said they had always occupied North America, that would not make it true. There's no way to change historical truth, only the record of history. Facts don't change just because someone lies about them. The FACTS are that the Wolverines lived in a country that was invaded by outsiders. ANYTHING they did to reclaim what was stolen from them was justifiable, and not terrorist. The invaders had no entitlement to what they tried to take. The defenders had every entitlement to kill to keep it or reclaim it. edit: you'll never guess what I'm watching now. Here's a great piece of dialog: "How'd you get yourself shot down, Colonel?" "It was five to one! I got four!"Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #48 July 8, 2007 QuoteThe FACTS are that the Wolverines lived in a country that was invaded by outsiders. ANYTHING they did to reclaim what was stolen from them was justifiable, and not terrorist. The invaders had no entitlement to what they tried to take. The defenders had every entitlement to kill to keep it or reclaim it. The FACTS are that the Iraqis lived in a country that was invaded by America. ANYTHING the Iraqis did to reclaim what was stolen from them was justifiable, and not terrorist. The Americans had no entitlement to what they tried to take. The Iraqis had every entitlement to kill to keep it or reclaim it. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #49 July 8, 2007 The FACTS are that America is not in Iraq to take the country for its own. That is clear. We are not colonizing the country; not sending our people to settle there. We are trying to set them up with a government that won't be a totalitarian islamic (read: dangerous and belligerent) regime. Big-ass difference between our action there and those of the Russians/Cubans in Red Dawn. You can mischaracterize this as "the Americans tried to take" all you want, but that doesn't change the facts.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #50 July 8, 2007 The above is true but its ironic that GWB has made such a botch of it that he has indirectly strenghtened and has to deal with Iran and Syria who he has labeled the Axis of Evil to try and hep get him out of the mess. Some might describe them as Islamic and totalitarian.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
