kallend 2,146 #176 March 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote AND WHERE IS YOUR ALTIFEET ? I jump with an altimeter Us Imperial guys realize that there's a difference between a measurement device and a standard of measurement. So what is the charge on the electron in US Imperial units? What is the magnetic moment of an electron (Bohr magneton) in US Imperial units? What is the value of the Lamb constant in US Imperial units? To be more useful everyday - what is a current of 1.0 amp (amp is SI) in US Imperial units? What is a potential of a 12 volt car battery in US Imperial units (volt is SI)? What is the typical strength of the magnet in an MRI machine in US Imperial units (Tesla is SI)? Sense of humor ran off on you, did it John? Can't answer, can you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #177 March 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote AND WHERE IS YOUR ALTIFEET ? I jump with an altimeter Us Imperial guys realize that there's a difference between a measurement device and a standard of measurement. So what is the charge on the electron in US Imperial units? What is the magnetic moment of an electron (Bohr magneton) in US Imperial units? What is the value of the Lamb constant in US Imperial units? To be more useful everyday - what is a current of 1.0 amp (amp is SI) in US Imperial units? What is a potential of a 12 volt car battery in US Imperial units (volt is SI)? What is the typical strength of the magnet in an MRI machine in US Imperial units (Tesla is SI)? Sense of humor ran off on you, did it John? Can't answer, can you? He posted a joke, I posted one in return. If you can't handle that, then maybe you should take a break from posting.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #178 March 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote AND WHERE IS YOUR ALTIFEET ? I jump with an altimeter Us Imperial guys realize that there's a difference between a measurement device and a standard of measurement. So what is the charge on the electron in US Imperial units? What is the magnetic moment of an electron (Bohr magneton) in US Imperial units? What is the value of the Lamb constant in US Imperial units? To be more useful everyday - what is a current of 1.0 amp (amp is SI) in US Imperial units? What is a potential of a 12 volt car battery in US Imperial units (volt is SI)? What is the typical strength of the magnet in an MRI machine in US Imperial units (Tesla is SI)? Sense of humor ran off on you, did it John? Can't answer, can you? He posted a joke, I posted one in return. If you can't handle that, then maybe you should take a break from posting. Don't give up your day job to become a comedian. You still don't know the answer, do you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #179 March 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote AND WHERE IS YOUR ALTIFEET ? I jump with an altimeter Us Imperial guys realize that there's a difference between a measurement device and a standard of measurement. So what is the charge on the electron in US Imperial units? What is the magnetic moment of an electron (Bohr magneton) in US Imperial units? What is the value of the Lamb constant in US Imperial units? To be more useful everyday - what is a current of 1.0 amp (amp is SI) in US Imperial units? What is a potential of a 12 volt car battery in US Imperial units (volt is SI)? What is the typical strength of the magnet in an MRI machine in US Imperial units (Tesla is SI)? Sense of humor ran off on you, did it John? Can't answer, can you? He posted a joke, I posted one in return. If you can't handle that, then maybe you should take a break from posting. Don't give up your day job to become a comedian. You still don't know the answer, do you? Don't give up your day job to become a mind-reader, and evidently don't become an English comp teacher, either. What part of 'he posted a joke, I posted one in return' gave you the idea that I was in any way participating in your ego-penis comparisons?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #180 March 3, 2011 You don't know the answer, why can't you admit it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #181 March 3, 2011 QuoteYou don't know the answer, why can't you admit it? If you keep playing with that thing you'll go blind.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #182 March 3, 2011 QuoteTo be more useful everyday - what is a current of 1.0 amp (amp is SI) in US Imperial units? As a joke, I was going to go on a run of just linking people back to threads where a discussion has already taken place. (I've been growing really tired of speakers' corner lately, if that wasn't obvious. I'm kinda dieseling out posts these days.) In this case I don't even need to because we already had this discussion in this thread. As I said 1.18 x 10^8 seconds ago back on page 3, your argument is lame and the ampere has a stupid magnitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #183 March 3, 2011 QuoteYou don't know the answer, why can't you admit it? I know the answer! Who the fuck cares! Only 1 of us in this thread does! How'd I do, prof?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #184 March 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou don't know the answer, why can't you admit it? I know the answer! Who the fuck cares! Only 1 of us in this thread does! How'd I do, prof? Wrong! There at least two who care.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #185 March 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou don't know the answer, why can't you admit it? I know the answer! Who the fuck cares! Only 1 of us in this thread does! How'd I do, prof? We had this run a long time ago. Almost all measurements can be broken down into component length, time, and mass expressions (pressure is mass per length per square time; power is mass length squared per second cubed or something like that; etc) but imperial is missing the new guys on the block - both are field type of base metrics that don't conveniently break down into the other three like above (or at least I don't see any easy way to do it so far). So Imperial would have to invent those to complete the full set. but why do that when they already are in use in metric and it's more important now as we play more in magnetics and gravity (electric stuff still seems to break down into the base 3 for most stuff) I'm sure the prof will correct this for accuracy, but that's the gist as I understand it edit: Base units per wiki time, length, mass, temperature, electric current and light intensity ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #186 March 3, 2011 As you quite correctly point out, there are some quantities, related to such things as photonics, electronics and magnetics that are fundamental to our technology and way of life that simply cannot be handled by Imperial units without incredible contortion or conversion into metric (preferably SI) anyway. Anyone who thinks Imperial units are more convenient is just ignorant of the realities of 21st Century technology.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #187 March 3, 2011 >Anyone who thinks Imperial units are more convenient is just ignorant of the >realities of 21st Century technology. Well, there's a different between what's convenient to an ASIC mask designer and what's convenient to a guy buying furniture. (And in general more people buy furniture than design ASIC masks.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #188 March 3, 2011 Quote Who the fuck cares! I'd suggest it's important to anyone who likes the lights to go on when they flick a switch. Anyone who uses a cell phone. Anyone who watches a flat screen TV. Anyone using a computer to read this forum. Anyone who uses a GPS. Anyone driving a hybrid car. Anyone who has had or may have a CAT or MRI scan. Anyone with a CYPRES in their rig.... They may not realize the importance, but ignorance IS curable.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #189 March 3, 2011 Quote>Anyone who thinks Imperial units are more convenient is just ignorant of the >realities of 21st Century technology. Well, there's a different between what's convenient to an ASIC mask designer and what's convenient to a guy buying furniture. (And in general more people buy furniture than design ASIC masks.) Even furniture buyers want their hi-tech stuff to work and be inexpensive.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #190 March 3, 2011 QuoteAnyone who thinks Imperial units are more convenient is just ignorant of the realities of 21st Century technology. The corollary of which is, anyone that thinks the metric system is superior because several of its units are base 10 or hold some universal truth about the universe is naive.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #191 March 3, 2011 QuoteQuote Who the fuck cares! I'd suggest it's important to anyone who likes the lights to go on when they flick a switch. Anyone who uses a cell phone. Anyone who watches a flat screen TV. Anyone using a computer to read this forum. Anyone who uses a GPS. Anyone driving a hybrid car. Anyone who has had or may have a CAT or MRI scan. Anyone with a CYPRES in their rig.... They may not realize the importance, but ignorance IS curable. To what end in this instance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #192 March 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnyone who thinks Imperial units are more convenient is just ignorant of the realities of 21st Century technology. The corollary of which is, anyone that thinks the metric system is superior because several of its units are base 10 or hold some universal truth about the universe is naive. I didn't claim that was the reason. Try living for a month with nothing electronic, photonic or magnetic in your life.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #193 March 3, 2011 QuoteI didn't claim that was the reason. Not suggesting you do. However a quick glance at this thread will reveal a lot of people that do.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #194 March 3, 2011 >Even furniture buyers want their hi-tech stuff to work and be inexpensive. Yep. But they, personally, do not need to convert nanometers to angstroms, even if that has applicability to LCD chip-on-glass manufacturing. They just want a 42 inch TV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #195 March 3, 2011 Quote>Even furniture buyers want their hi-tech stuff to work and be inexpensive. Yep. But they, personally, do not need to convert nanometers to angstroms, even if that has applicability to LCD chip-on-glass manufacturing. They just want a 42 inch TV. Everyone benefits from the existence and use of a system of units that is internally consistent. Imperial doesn't fit that description. There are, for example, two quite different ways of defining both mass and force in Imperial system.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #196 March 3, 2011 Quote Quote Who the fuck cares! I'd suggest it's important to anyone who likes the lights to go on when they flick a switch. Anyone who uses a cell phone. Anyone who watches a flat screen TV. Anyone using a computer to read this forum. Anyone who uses a GPS. Anyone driving a hybrid car. Anyone who has had or may have a CAT or MRI scan. Anyone with a CYPRES in their rig.... They may not realize the importance, but ignorance IS curable. What about the guys building space vehicles? We lost a 125mil mars orbiter to the "traditionalist" people who can't spend the time to learn the standard (again, 95% of the world) measurement system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #197 March 3, 2011 QuoteWhat about the guys building space vehicles? We lost a 125mil mars orbiter to the "traditionalist" people who can't spend the time to learn the standard (again, 95% of the world) measurement system. Do you honestly believe the scientists and engineers working on that project didn't "learn the standard"? Don't be ridiculous. Anybody working at that level absolutely knows both. The issue wasn't knowing "the" standard, but rather one of assumptions and not checking to ensure whatever standard was being used as being followed. This could just as easily happen in any design situation simply by misplacing a decimal point.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #198 March 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhat about the guys building space vehicles? We lost a 125mil mars orbiter to the "traditionalist" people who can't spend the time to learn the standard (again, 95% of the world) measurement system. Do you honestly believe the scientists and engineers working on that project didn't "learn the standard"? Don't be ridiculous. Anybody working at that level absolutely knows both. The issue wasn't knowing "the" standard, but rather one of assumptions and not checking to ensure whatever standard was being used as being followed. This could just as easily happen in any design situation simply by misplacing a decimal point. From the accident report: QuoteThe MCO MIB has determined that the root cause for the loss of the MCO spacecraft was the failure to use metric units in the coding of a ground software file, “Small Forces,” used in trajectory models. Specifically, thruster performance data in English units instead of metric units was used in the software application code titled SM_FORCES (small forces). The output from the SM_FORCES application code as required by a MSOP Project Software Interface Specification (SIS) was to be in metric units of Newtonseconds (N-s). Instead, the data was reported in English units of pound-seconds (lbf-s). The Angular Momentum Desaturation (AMD) file contained the output data from the SM_FORCES software. The SIS, which was not followed, defines both the format and units of the AMD file generated by ground-based computers. Subsequent processing of the data from AMD file by the navigation software algorithm therefore, underestimated the effect on the spacecraft trajectory by a factor of 4.45, which is the required conversion factor from force in pounds to Newtons. An erroneous trajectory was computed using this incorrect data. source:ftp://ftp.hq.nasa.gov/pub/pao/reports/1999/MCO_report.pdf I agree that were either system universally STANDARD, that the problem could have gone either way [the fault is not in either unit, but rather the mistake of several engineers in their failure to correctly convert and failure to double check] All I am saying is, as I have said before, the world STANDARD is metric units. This problem would not have occurred with standard units. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #199 March 3, 2011 >Everyone benefits from the existence and use of a system of units that >is internally consistent. I'd argue that simple internal consistency is not a sufficient figure of merit. We could go to an all nanometer length measurement standard, for example, that was entirely self consistent - and close to useless for most people. "How long do you want that fence to be?" "One point two times ten to the tenth nanometers." "OK, that's twelve times ten to the ninth . . . ." "No, ten to the tenth." "But twelve, right? One of the standard sizes is twelve." "No no no! One point two. Unless you mean ten to the ninth nanometers. Then it's twelve times ten to the ninth." "Wait - what?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #200 March 3, 2011 Quote Once again proving the inadequacy of the metric system! the assertion that the imperial system works is not evidence that the metric system is inadequate. The burden of proof lies in the accuser. From reading this entire thread, (after bumping it from a few years) I have found no such proof, or even evidence of it's equality to the metric system. I move to close the argument in an accord by my agreement that neither system holds significant superior qualities in and of itself, but that some people have simply too much slothful intolerance of change to convert to the world standard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
