Darius11 12 #26 June 14, 2007 What I said was I know that my way is not the only way, and we should respect other countries laws. Let me see how you can try to spine this one. Is fox news hiring? The whole world should not be forced to yours or my view. Do you want the whole world to follow our rules and be like the US? Are you so blinded to think that your way is the only way?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #27 June 14, 2007 Quote Do you want the whole world to follow our rules and be like the US? Oh, we're not that different. I'm sure Ashcroft would have got behind an execute porn stars movement. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #28 June 14, 2007 QuoteWell, it's nice to see you take a strong moral stand on this issue. That’s what you don’t seem to EVER get John. My moral issues are mine I don’t believe in forcing them on to others. I live by my code and sleep well at night. You live by your morals what ever they are and don't try to force it on me and we all could get along. That simple.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #29 June 14, 2007 Most religious people would consider porn an abomination, so what happens if the majority of a country is religious and does not want porn to enter their country. Do they not have the democratic right to follow what the majority wants? It’s crazy we have people on here that want to spread democracy as long as the people they are trying to "Free" agree with every thing they say.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #30 June 14, 2007 Are we still executing people for crimes they committed as children? Is Texas still executing retards? I'm not going to vote because I don't think I can rightfully enter a dog in this fight. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #31 June 14, 2007 QuoteAre we still executing people for crimes they committed as children? Is Texas still executing retards? I'm not going to vote because I don't think I can rightfully enter a dog in this fight. you don't have to be 100% pure to see that death sentences for porn is bullshit. No one is forced to watch pornography, and no one is hurt by it. So to give the ultimate punishment for it is undefensible. I don't think you can defend executing the mentally incompetent either, but 16 year olds that commit murder - sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #32 June 14, 2007 Quote It’s crazy we have people on here that want to spread democracy as long as the people they are trying to "Free" agree with every thing they say. We don't want to spread democracy. Otherwise, we wouldn't support Musharraf and would deal with Hamas on some level. If we wanted democracy we wouldn't support the currect regimes in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #33 June 14, 2007 QuoteMy moral issues are mine I don’t believe in forcing them on to others. I live by my code and sleep well at night. You live by your morals what ever they are and don't try to force it on me and we all could get along. This isn't about forcing moral views on another group of people, this is about objecting to the fact that this other group of people is forcing their moral views on adult film actors... ...by killing them... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #34 June 14, 2007 You’re arguing right and wrong which can be a very personal and a cultural issue. It would be very arrogant to assume that your personal or cultural scale on right and wrong should be applied to every nation. A country has laws and if you brake them there is consequences Same as in the US there are laws that the majority agrees to that all must follow. Simple as that.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #35 June 14, 2007 Are you saying that if the majority of a democratic country decided genocide was justified that no other countries should take action against that country to stop the genocide? Edit: I am just trying to point out that the world is not black and white, it is gray. As a democratic country we must respect the right of other democratic countries to make decisions even if we do not agree with those decisions. However, when another country abuses their rights we no longer have to respect their rights. In this case however we must respect their right since we have capital punishment and sentences that are not proportional to the crime we must accept that other countries can have capital punishment and sentences that are not proportional to the crime."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #36 June 14, 2007 >Would you like the United States to have the same kind of punishment for porn stars? Heck no! Historically we only burn witches. Porn stars are completely different. Better looking, for one thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #37 June 14, 2007 QuoteMy moral issues are mine I don’t believe in forcing them on to others. I live by my code and sleep well at night. You live by your morals what ever they are and don't try to force it on me and we all could get along. Ah, the liberal concept of "moral relativism", which says that anything goes, and it's okay! If you accept that idea, then there is no such thing as "wrong". And that would lead to one hell of a world... I wasn't asking you to force your view on them. I was asking if you think murdering people for having consensual sex in front of a camera is okay. Apparently you think that's perfectly legitimate for Iran to do that. Champu said it very well, in message #33. But murder is murder, and is never proper against people who haven't harmed anyone. Fuck moral relativism. Some things are universally wrong, regardless of religion or nationality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #38 June 14, 2007 QuoteYou’re arguing right and wrong which can be a very personal and a cultural issue. It would be very arrogant to assume that your personal or cultural scale on right and wrong should be applied to every nation. A country has laws and if you brake them there is consequences Like being Jewish in Iran? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #39 June 15, 2007 Quote But murder is murder, and is never proper against people who haven't harmed anyone. Fuck moral relativism. Some things are universally wrong, regardless of religion or nationality. I thought we were talking about state sponsored executions, not murder. Supporters of the death penalty tend to make a pretty big distinction on that point when it's someone they want to see killed. As for universally wrong, regardless of religion or nationality, amnesty.org reports that since 1990, juvenile offenders are known to have been executed in only seven countries: China, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, and the United States. Pretty nice company we're keeping there, eh? When all but 7 nations have abandoned the practice as immoral, I'd say that's testament to it being pretty damned close to "universally wrong, regardless of religion or nationality." Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #40 June 15, 2007 I did not argue right and wrong. I was, in fact, very careful not to do so. I was just trying to put the situation into perspective. Let me try and put it another way... The only premise under which the executions may be deemed acceptable is one in which the right of one person (even just one!) to follow their religion outweighs the right of one other person (just one!) to exist. This is an unsettling premise when considered domestically, and it's downright terrifying when considered internationally. When Iran says they want to destroy Isreal we shouldn't worry about it because it's just a "crackpot leader blowing off steam", and the whole of Iran doesn't actually believe that. Now when Iran says they want to kill all the porn stars we are not supposed to say anything because it is, overwhelmingly, what the masses want. Are these the same thing? No. But I'd argue that the premise is the same, and that's what I have a problem with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RBM 1 #41 June 15, 2007 aww who cares about porn in Iran, INSTEAD!! lets talk about porn in the UAE, (United Arab Emirates) those babes are hot there!!, Middle East Porn, totally hot!! once you seen USA porn, hell thats 75% or the world porn, i want varity,, hell wheres that guy... Joe from girls gone wild... he needs to get outta jail and go to the UAE!! he'll make another 50 million!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RBM 1 #42 June 15, 2007 QuoteHOLD THE HELL ON!!! Porn films are punishable?? Yet Iran's compounds (just like Turkey and Jordon)are filled with wives, of men in debt, who are forced to fuck their husband's balance down to zero while the husbands sit in prison?!?!?! Get the hell outta here, that's crazy! I guess we can chalk that one on the board of "quran hypocrisy" just like fornication and drunkeness are sins on earth but your reward for dying a Martyr are rivers of wine and perpetual virgins. Get the hell outta here, that's crazy! Intelligence is kinda lacking in that respect, wouldn't ya say? or maybe their family tree really does just grow straight up! either way, they are lacking something up there!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #43 June 15, 2007 I voted yes they should execute porn stars...But only if they make it pay to view.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
