Shotgun 1 #1 June 12, 2007 Yes, just what we needed - another Paris Hilton thread. Sorry, but I came across this article on a Christian website and thought it was interesting: QuoteCareful Paris Hilton Talk Yesterday, I was caught inside of a 'pep rally' for Paris Hilton's judgment - with, and by Christians. With fists held high and, "She deserves everything she gets", shouted across the room, this collective group of 'Jesus People' were celebrating Paris' plight. I know we have a rough time with 'pop culture'; do we enjoy damning it too? I can understand the marketplace's amusement and entertainment surrounding Paris Hilton's jail journey, but for Christians to be gleeful, overjoyed and happy about another's meltdown, what gives? I thought we were people changed by mercy and grace, when we deserved judgment. I'm not saying that Paris Hilton shouldn't be facing man's law and its consequences. What I'm asking; should Paris be facing Jesus People's celebration of her consequences, public torment and personal judgment? Why are we, the redeemed from ultimate judgment, so quick to rejoice in another's trial and travail? What type of attitude oozes this type of venom upon today's culture and society? I know we have a rough time with the post-modern culture we reside within, but do we wish judgment for it? Maybe if we didn't see ourselves as better, removed and self-righteously isolated from these icons of God we could relate better. There is no means possible for me to meet and speak with Paris Hilton, but there is a means for me to meet and speak with thousands who live their lives vicariously through Paris Hilton everyday in the marketplace. Remember, what we say, how we say it and the attitudes of our hearts when we say it, communicates volumes to those who need to hear of 'Jesus Hope'. I'm no different that Paris Hilton, neither are you. Put me inside of a family that delivers $50 million into my name just for passing through the birth canal, and place me on a sexual, performance oriented, 'fashion is the image' stage and I'll have major problems. Add today's celebrity media attention, the self worship syndrome we call entertainment and Eric Hogue could be a rebellious, self-absorbed, DUI driver in a ragamuffin heart beat. Rejoicing in Paris' judgment is the same as rejoicing over the judgment I deserve. You see, judgment is getting what you deserve, mercy is 'not' getting what we deserve, and grace - that amazing grace is getting what we don't deserve. As this relates to Paris Hilton, why are we - Christians - running through the culture, rejoicing over "the rich brats" jail term? Yes, she should do her time, no argument from me here...but so should we do our time, in culture, relating to mercy and amazing grace - not rejoicing over someone's judgement. Relate, be relevant and make the conversation about mercy and grace, they're listening and hoping for more than our judgments. Source: http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/erichogue/11543842/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #2 June 12, 2007 QuoteYes, she should do her time, no argument from me here...but so should we do our time, in culture, relating to mercy and amazing grace - not rejoicing over someone's judgement. Can I get an Amen! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #4 June 12, 2007 A fundamentalist is a person who spends their entire life worried that someone...somewhere...is having a good time. And PH is the personification of their worst fears. So of course this is a reason for them to celebrate."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #5 June 12, 2007 Quote I'm not saying that Paris Hilton shouldn't be facing man's law and its consequences. What I'm asking; should Paris be facing Jesus People's celebration of her consequences, public torment and personal judgment? Why are we, the redeemed from ultimate judgment, so quick to rejoice in another's trial and travail? There is nothing new here. The history of protestantism full of people rejoicing at the fall of the wicked. The whipping of a harlot or the hanging of an adulterer was a cause for celebration during the reformation. The Catholics were quite different. When you burn an heretic at the stake you do it specifically to save their soul, it's merciful don't you see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 June 12, 2007 A PH thread? I don't think so "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 June 12, 2007 Nearly everybody is celebrating her sentence. There's no reason to single-out Christians for this behavior. I'm celebrating the trial of Duke District Attorney Mike Nifong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #8 June 12, 2007 QuoteNearly everybody is celebrating her sentence. There's no reason to single-out Christians for this behavior. Well, it's pretty sad that anyone would be celebrating her sentence (and I don't think that "nearly everybody" is), but I would expect different behavior from people who claim to be Christians. It doesn't seem very Christ-like to be celebrating another person's problems, even if that person has done something wrong. But then so many people choose to call themselves Christians that the word no longer conveys much about a person's beliefs or morals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 June 13, 2007 Simple really.. its the holier than thou mantle that so many supposed "christians" wrap themselves in...its endemic in this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #10 June 13, 2007 But Paris Hilton is a sinner, isn't she ? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #11 June 13, 2007 QuoteBut Paris Hilton is a sinner, isn't she ? Aren't we all? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #12 June 13, 2007 This is at least more rational and less venemous than a lot of what ya' hear 'em spew. "AIDS is a punishment for being gay," for instance. That one still gripes me, though they've finally gotten off that kick a little, haven't they? And apparently some would rather see a mother die or become permanently debilitated rather than allow her to abort a fetus that threatens her own life. Their celebration of PH's sentence is just a drop in the bucket, imho. "As sands through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives." (hahaha)-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #13 June 13, 2007 > But Paris Hilton is a sinner, isn't she ? As are most of us. But those without sin, by all means - throw stones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vpozzoli 0 #14 June 13, 2007 Quote But Paris Hilton is a sinner, isn't she ? And who are we to make that call? I haven't attended Catechism in a long time but I distinctly recall some stuff about stones being thrown and planks being stuck in someone's eye (ouch, that gotta hurt! ) Vale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #15 June 13, 2007 Quote But those without sin, by all means - throw stones. Ouch ! I tried to throw a stone but it fell on my foot. scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #16 June 13, 2007 Quote Quote But those without sin, by all means - throw stones. Ouch ! I tried to throw a stone but it fell on my foot. you should take on bowling never mind... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #17 June 13, 2007 that hurts... my 1st TUB talk...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #18 June 13, 2007 QuoteSimple really.. its the holier than thou mantle that so many supposed "christians" wrap themselves in...its endemic in this country.As opposed to the "Holier than Christians" mantle that most athiests wrap themselves in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vpozzoli 0 #19 June 13, 2007 Quote Quote Simple really.. its the holier than thou mantle that so many supposed "christians" wrap themselves in...its endemic in this country. As opposed to the "Holier than Christians" mantle that most athiests wrap themselves in? How can that be? It's well known that atheists have no moral values, and hence no sense of "holiness" Vale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vpozzoli 0 #20 June 13, 2007 Quote Quote But those without sin, by all means - throw stones. Ouch ! I tried to throw a stone but it fell on my foot. Try hitting it with a plank, baseball-like. But be careful, you might poke your eye out! Vale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #21 June 13, 2007 Sadly, I believe the Christian church as a whole has left me. I just can't go the route of judge of everyone, marketer of "christian" wares, and creator of niches in music, clothes, etc. Thankfully, JC is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #22 June 13, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Simple really.. its the holier than thou mantle that so many supposed "christians" wrap themselves in...its endemic in this country. As opposed to the "Holier than Christians" mantle that most athiests wrap themselves in? How can that be? It's well known that atheists have no moral values, and hence no sense of "holiness" Vale Smug self-righteousness would probably be more fitting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #23 June 13, 2007 >As opposed to the "Holier than Christians" mantle that most athiests wrap themselves in? I don't know a single atheist who considers themselves holy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #24 June 13, 2007 QuoteI don't know a single atheist who considers themselves holy. Unless the word holy is used as a Metaphor. I have been picked up on that one myself lately."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #25 June 13, 2007 QuoteNearly everybody is celebrating her sentence. There's no reason to single-out Christians for this behavior. I'm celebrating the trial of Duke District Attorney Mike Nifong. I'm not celebrating the trial of anyone, but I could see being pleased that someone was going to stand trial and be held accountable for their actions. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites