Were did God come from?

[jakee 1,595]

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If GWB posted here you couldn't tell him he was an idiot. If Michael Moore posted here you couldn't call him a fat lying hypocrite, even if you believe that to be the case.

But like I said, I did not use profanity, call him names, or attack his character. If I consistently posted faulty information about skydiving in one of the topical forums I would get people saying I was completely clueless and those people would not get warnings or bans. You and I both know that.

Could you give me clarification on what is acceptable? Everything I have ever seen Royd post about biology has been based on bad assumptions and faulty knowledge. There must be a way me to express that without getting a warning. What am I allowed to say?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Shotgun 1]

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Everything I have ever seen Royd post about biology has been based on bad assumptions and faulty knowledge. There must be a way me to express that without getting a warning. What am I allowed to say?

I think you just answered your own question.

[billvon 3,118]

>Everything I have ever seen Royd post about biology has been based
>on bad assumptions and faulty knowledge. There must be a way me to
>express that without getting a warning. What am I allowed to say?

You can say that what he posted is incorrect. You cannot call him illiterate.

[pajarito 0]

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Everyone has told a lie at least once in their life, even you. Does that mean that there is an invisible being tallying up your transgressions? I don't think so.

I have lied also. God has seen your thought-life and every deed done in darkness. Nothing is kept from him (Matthew 10:30). The Bible also says that "All liars will have their part in the lake of fire" (Revelation 21:8). Will you be innocent or guilty on the Day of Judgment?

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Will you be innocent or guilty on the Day of Judgment?

I will be maggot food.

This ad space for sale.

[beowulf 1]

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Everyone has told a lie at least once in their life, even you. Does that mean that there is an invisible being tallying up your transgressions? I don't think so.

I have lied also. God has seen your thought-life and every deed done in darkness. Nothing is kept from him (Matthew 10:30). The Bible also says that "All liars will have their part in the lake of fire" (Revelation 21:8). Will you be innocent or guilty on the Day of Judgment?

There is absolutely nothing to support this idea that there is a god that sees all of our lives and judges us. Just because you believe it and have faith that it is true
doesn't make it true.

[pajarito 0]

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Everyone has told a lie at least once in their life, even you. Does that mean that there is an invisible being tallying up your transgressions? I don't think so.

I have lied also. God has seen your thought-life and every deed done in darkness. Nothing is kept from him (Matthew 10:30). The Bible also says that "All liars will have their part in the lake of fire" (Revelation 21:8). Will you be innocent or guilty on the Day of Judgment?

There is absolutely nothing to support this idea that there is a god that sees all of our lives and judges us. Just because you believe it and have faith that it is true
doesn't make it true.

"If" it's true, would you be innocent or guilty?

[jakee 1,595]

Please tell me we're not coming back to Pascal's Wager again

"If" the Koran is true where will you be going when you die?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Royd 0]

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Could you give me clarification on what is acceptable? Everything I have ever seen Royd post about biology has been based on bad assumptions and faulty knowledge. There must be a way me to express that without getting a warning. What am I allowed to say?

Get over it. I'm the kid who sat in the back of the class and punched the teacher's buttons. I understood everything that was being said, I just didn't swallow it all, hook, line and sinker.

[champu 1]

The life that exists on this planet required a relatively narrow window of tolerances to come about when you consider the huge range of environments we've observed just in our little corner of the universe. It would not surprise me if any other forms of life require different but similarly narrow windows of opportunity. Supposing this opportunity is capitalized upon, it is then after life exists that evolution can be observed.

You should be careful not to confuse abiogenesis and evolution, it gets some people rather up in arms.

When it comes to origins the simplest explanation, given the information available to me, does not involve a god. That is something that can be reasonably argued. This does not mean that a god being involved is not also an explanation, nor even that it's an impossible explanation. However when people try to argue that god is the only explanation, or that it is somehow an obvious explanation, I find it pretty silly. Notably more so if long strings of logical fallacies are involved in presenting the argument.

I'm an athiest because more often than not the simplest answer is the correct one, but I still consider it more of a "working theory" than a way of life. The only way you're going to convince me of a god's existence is to come up with something simpler than my current philosophy which is, "life exists because it can."

[beowulf 1]

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Everyone has told a lie at least once in their life, even you. Does that mean that there is an invisible being tallying up your transgressions? I don't think so.

I have lied also. God has seen your thought-life and every deed done in darkness. Nothing is kept from him (Matthew 10:30). The Bible also says that "All liars will have their part in the lake of fire" (Revelation 21:8). Will you be innocent or guilty on the Day of Judgment?

There is absolutely nothing to support this idea that there is a god that sees all of our lives and judges us. Just because you believe it and have faith that it is true
doesn't make it true.

"If" it's true, would you be innocent or guilty?

You would have a better answer then I. I don't believe any of it. I think I know what you answer would be, but it really doesn't matter to me at all. Your arguments lack any substance since they are all based on faith.

[kallend 2,148]

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However when people try to argue that god is the only explanation, or that it is somehow an obvious explanation, I find it pretty silly. Notably more so if long strings of logical fallacies are involved in presenting the argument.

If it is an axiom that this "being", whether God, Allah, Odin, Zeus or Krishna, is not bound by any rules of logic, then there are no logical fallacies.

What will the Christians do when Odin returns?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[champu 1]

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Please tell me we're not coming back to Pascal's Wager again

My thoughts on Pascal's Wager.

[Amazon 7]

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I have lied also. God has seen your thought-life and every deed done in darkness. Nothing is kept from him (Matthew 10:30). The Bible also says that "All liars will have their part in the lake of fire" (Revelation 21:8). Will you be innocent or guilty on the Day of Judgment?

I guess GWB and his NEO CON Buddies have one hell of a large private beach on the lake of fire.

[champu 1]

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If it is an axiom that this "being", whether God, Allah, Odin, Zeus or Krishna, is not bound by any rules of logic, then there are no logical fallacies.

They're welcome to define the god they try to prove to exist in a universe outside the realm of logic, but the argument is taking place here.

So I'm still going to call people out on it.

[jakee 1,595]

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Get over it. I'm the kid who sat in the back of the class and punched the teacher's buttons. I understood everything that was being said,

Unless you had a bad teacher then you did not understand everything that was said.

Everything you have posted on this thread about science has been incorrect and, I believe, points to a fundamental misconception of what science is and how it is performed.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,118]

>I understood everything that was being said, I just didn't swallow it
>all, hook, line and sinker.

Good for you! I'm glad you didn't fall for those "round earth" and "we really went to the moon" lies. Teachers are particularly treacherous with those deceptions.

[Royd 0]

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I'm an athiest because more often than not the simplest answer is the correct one, but I still consider it more of a "working theory" than a way of life. The only way you're going to convince me of a god's existence is to come up with something simpler than my current philosophy which is, "life exists because it can."

I appreciate that post.

The odds against it happening so completely in one small speck of dust in the universe are astronomical[pun intended].

Everything from the smallest form of life to the random thoughts or the ability to reason in the mind of man, and everything being interdependent upon each other for survival is truly phenomenal.


You say for it all happen, all conditions had to be perfect. I can't argue with that.

It's just that I would have a better chance of crushing a clay pot with a sledgehammer, throwing it into the air, and have fall to the ground in its original shape, than life forming itself into a functioning entity in a narrow window of tolerance.

[billvon 3,118]

> The odds against it happening so completely in one small speck of dust in the universe are astronomical.

That is exactly right. You'd have to try billions of times for it to happen even once. You'd need a whole galaxy of planets, each one a little different, and billions of years to get that sort of chance happening.

Fortunately, that's what we have.

[jakee 1,595]

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I appreciate that post.

The odds against it happening so completely in one small speck of dust in the universe are astronomical[pun intended].

Do you have any idea how truly enormous the universe is? How many billions of galaxies, each containing billions of stars, actually exist and have existed for billions of years out there in the universe? Do you have any comprehension of how many billions of worlds did exist, but have long since been consumed by their dying suns?

I don't. It is something that I cannot even begin to comprehend. Even astronomers and cosmologists who have studied the universe for their entire professional careers can't really place into perspective the incredible scale of the universe.

The universe is beyond astronomical.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[champu 1]

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Do you have any idea how truly enormous the universe is? I don't. It is something that I cannot even begin to comprehend.

pfft... amateur...

To begin to comprehend how truly enormous the universe is, you simply need to realize that it's bigger than this:

[extends arms out to sides rendering a classic, "fish this big" pose]

There you are... now you're well on your way.

[pajarito 0]

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You would have a better answer then I. I don't believe any of it. I think I know what you answer would be, but it really doesn't matter to me at all. Your arguments lack any substance since they are all based on faith.

I know you don't believe. What I asked you was, "If it's true, will you be innocent or guilty?"

[pajarito 0]

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I guess GWB and his NEO CON Buddies have one hell of a large private beach on the lake of fire.

Maybe... Maybe not... I don't have any idea... That's between each one of them and God. I don't know where that came from or what it's got to do with what I'm talking about. ...but thanks.

[kallend 2,148]

If a billion Hindus are right, what will be your fate?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[pajarito 0]

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If a billion Hindus are right, what will be your fate?

Right about what?