christelsabine 1 #26 June 7, 2007 Quote DC is not a state, any more than Houston is a state. DC most assuredly is a state, as a matter of fact. It's also the capitol of the country. For what I've been told in school, Washington DC is no state. It's a city, the capital city of the US. When did that change? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sartre 0 #27 June 7, 2007 You're right, I was wrong. See my post just prior to yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #28 June 7, 2007 Quote "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? . . . First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." I did'nt think you were a big fan of JC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #29 June 7, 2007 QuoteLike Compton or Downey maybe? Most are surprised that those really aren't "bad" parts. Go a couple miles north of Compton, and yo're in a bad part. And Downey ain't so bad. It's lower-middle class. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 June 7, 2007 QuoteThe citizens, despite paying taxes, have no representation in Congress! And would you like to wager $100 on THAT?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #31 June 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt's a comparison to Iraq. I just haven't gotten what point he was trying to make, and I don't feel the need to play psychic to guess what it might be. He was correct - it's about Iraq, and how the perspective used for the public portrayal of a place can make it sound like hell on earth, when the truth is actually something far different. With everything so terrible in California, shouldn't the citizens there cut and run to escape from the violence and chaos? Or perhaps, that was a biased view of California which focused only on the negative, and the fact is, most people who live there are happy and secure, and the problems that exist are surmountable and worth staying and fighting for, rather than abandoning all that is good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 June 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteFunny you should say that, since CCW holders as a whole commit less crimes than police do.... CCW holders are just as likely to commit a crime as any other person. Legal gun owners are just as likely to commit murder as an illegal gun owner. Solely being legal does not mean that a person has been magically converted to the most law abiding of all citizens. Anyone of us could just as easily turn a 180 and go off the deep end for any given reason and commit a murder. A good friend of mine, Don Meese, never been in trouble his entire life untill one day in 1994. Something happened and, for some reason, he flipped out and put a shotgun in a guys mouth after he made him lie down on the driveway of his house and unloaded a double barrel shotgun in the guys mouth. He is now doing life without parole at Potosi max security prison. There is not a person alive who can say that they will never be able to commit murder. Given the right (or wrong) circumstance, anything is possible. If you can say, with certainty, what is going to happen, without doubt, in your future, how about cluing me in on some winning lotto numbers. As likely? Hardly. Feel free to provide crime stats to prove that CCW license holders are less law-abiding than the general public or police.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 June 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's a comparison to Iraq. I just haven't gotten what point he was trying to make, and I don't feel the need to play psychic to guess what it might be. He was correct - it's about Iraq, and how the perspective used for the public portrayal of a place can make it sound like hell on earth, when the truth is actually something far different. John, you're downright loopy if you think you can compare Iraq to California. Iraq is hell on earth in comparison, and probably in reality as well. How else would you describe a place where car bombs are going off nearly every day, and what we would have considered our worst terrorist attacks until 2001 happen every week? When the boom cycle is on, people move to California by the hundreds of thousands. The only people moving towards Iraq are al queda fighters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #34 June 7, 2007 CCW holders are just as likely to commit a crime as any other person. Legal gun owners are just as likely to commit murder as an illegal gun owner. Solely being legal does not mean that a person has been magically converted to the most law abiding of all citizens. Anyone of us could just as easily turn a 180 and go off the deep end for any given reason and commit a murder. A good friend of mine, Don Meese, never been in trouble his entire life untill one day in 1994. Something happened and, for some reason, he flipped out and put a shotgun in a guys mouth after he made him lie down on the driveway of his house and unloaded a double barrel shotgun in the guys mouth. He is now doing life without parole at Potosi max security prison. There is not a person alive who can say that they will never be able to commit murder. Given the right (or wrong) circumstance, anything is possible. If you can say, with certainty, what is going to happen, without doubt, in your future, how about cluing me in on some winning lotto numbers. Last time i made that arguement...when relating to urmm not liking guns wellFunny how the immigrants always get the blame and not the native americans.CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 June 7, 2007 How about if you BOTH answer the statement... Show the stats proving your assertion that CCW holders are commiting the same amount of crime.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #36 June 7, 2007 Recent events........especially in schools seem to prove there maybe a problem in how easy it is for nutters to legally obtain firearms.. Honestly not looked at any stats to see if there is a majority of murders/crimes being committed using legally helds firearms,but fact is,it does happen. .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #37 June 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote DC most assuredly is a state, as a matter of fact. Would you like to bet $100 on that? I'd like in on that wager for $100. DC is most assuredly not a state. They've been trying tho. Well maybe if DC's Representative would cast a vote once in a while it might clear up the confusion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #38 June 7, 2007 I don't think John's being loopy - he's just trying to present the Iraq situation in a different prespective. As usual though, the portrayal of his opinion is designed to cause debate. And perhaps some serious thought. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39 June 7, 2007 Troll Troll Troll your canoe....gently down the stream...Merrily merrily merrily life is just a scream... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #40 June 7, 2007 hahahahaa! And obviously that too. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 June 7, 2007 QuoteCCW holders are just as likely to commit a crime as any other person. Legal gun owners are just as likely to commit murder as an illegal gun owner. Ooh, I can play this game too! Amish people are just as likely to commit assualt as members of the Mike Tyson fan club. Non drug users are just as likely to buy illegal drugs as crackheads. Recidivism is a myth. (You probably should avoid making statements that can be so easily dismissed as fantasy) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 June 7, 2007 The problem is "the nutters"...not the tool they decide to use.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 June 7, 2007 Quote Honestly not looked at any stats to see if there is a majority of murders/crimes being committed using legally helds firearms,but fact is,it does happen. IOW, you're making shit up. Standards are higher in SC than in Bonfire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #44 June 7, 2007 QuoteJohn, you're downright loopy if you think you can compare Iraq to California. How else would you describe a place where car bombs are going off nearly every day... Eleven people per day die in car accidents in California. 4,000 per year. Each one of those is the equivalent of a bomb when the crash impact occurs. With all that mayhem, I think Californians should cut and run, and abandon their state. Leave it to the criminals and illegals. There's nothing there worth fighting and dying for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #45 June 7, 2007 QuoteI don't think John's being loopy - he's just trying to present the Iraq situation in a different prespective. As usual though, the portrayal of his opinion is designed to cause debate. And perhaps some serious thought. Ding ding ding! Thanks for giving it enough serious thought to recognize what was going on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #46 June 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteJohn, you're downright loopy if you think you can compare Iraq to California. How else would you describe a place where car bombs are going off nearly every day... Eleven people per day die in car accidents in California. It would be interesting to see how many Californians would like to emigrate to Iraq, and how many Iraqis would like to emigrate to CA.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47 June 8, 2007 QuoteEleven people per day die in car accidents in California. 4,000 per year. Each one of those is the equivalent of a bomb when the crash impact occurs. With all that mayhem, I think Californians should cut and run, and abandon their state. Leave it to the criminals and illegals. There's nothing there worth fighting and dying for. Got the same statistics for Tejas there John???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #48 June 8, 2007 QuoteFeel free to provide crime stats to prove that CCW license holders are less law-abiding than the general public or police. At no time did I ever say "less law abiding". Here, I'll spell it out for you real nice and slow so that you can understand, J-U-S-T A-S L-I-K-E-L-Y. If you should need further help please contact an interpeter. As for statistics, doing your own freaking research."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #49 June 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteJohn, you're downright loopy if you think you can compare Iraq to California. How else would you describe a place where car bombs are going off nearly every day... Eleven people per day die in car accidents in California. 4,000 per year. Each one of those is the equivalent of a bomb when the crash impact occurs. John, i know you're not this stupid. You've heard of rates before. If an HCI nut tried making this sort of argument, you'd be up in arms. 4000 die a year in accidents. Out of 36 Million, keeping in line with the national rate of 1 in 6500 (might be better here if 4000 is accurate) In contrast, we have only 120,000 troops in Iraq, and nearly that many people died there in less than 4 years. Their death rate is closer to 1 in 150, maybe 1 in 100. And that ignores the civilian and enemy combatant fatalities going on in this country of 22M. (iow, one that is 60% the number of California) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 June 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteFeel free to provide crime stats to prove that CCW license holders are less law-abiding than the general public or police. At no time did I ever say "less law abiding". Here, I'll spell it out for you real nice and slow so that you can understand, J-U-S-T A-S L-I-K-E-L-Y. If you should need further help please contact an interpeter. As for statistics, doing your own freaking research. After you, my friend...your "likelyhood" of committing crimes doesn't trump the FACT that CCW holders are proven to commit less crimes.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
