billvon 3,110 #76 June 11, 2007 >You can't buy alcohol or tobacco with food stamps. You can, however, buy a single bean and (in some places) get change in cash. This money can then be used for alcohol. Louisiana has a pretty decent card-based food stamp system that might serve as a model. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #77 June 11, 2007 QuoteCalifornia is part of the United States and that Iraq was/is an ill conceived imperialist nation building exercise... California was stolen from Mexico by hook and crook, by the evil Imperialist and violent Americans. Americans should evacuate California and return it to its rightful inhabitants - the peaceful Indians, Mexicans and Spanish who formerly lived there. America has no right to that land. Cut and run! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #78 June 11, 2007 And Arizona, New Mexico, Texas... Viva La Raza!!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #79 June 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteCalifornia is part of the United States and that Iraq was/is an ill conceived imperialist nation building exercise... California was stolen from Mexico by hook and crook, by the evil Imperialist and violent Americans. Americans should evacuate California and return it to its rightful inhabitants - the peaceful Indians, Mexicans and Spanish who formerly lived there. America has no right to that land. Cut and run! So, what are you in favor of, Iraq being the 51st or 52nd state? I'm thinking we should give 51 to DC. I think you should change your war cry from "cut and run" to "God wills it!" http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Armoiries_J%C3%A9rusalem.png Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #80 June 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteCalifornia is part of the United States and that Iraq was/is an ill conceived imperialist nation building exercise... California was stolen from Mexico by hook and crook, by the evil Imperialist and violent Americans. Americans should evacuate California and return it to its rightful inhabitants - the peaceful Indians, Mexicans and Spanish who formerly lived there. America has no right to that land. Cut and run! So, what are you in favor of, Iraq being the 51st or 52nd state? I'm thinking we should give 51 to DC. I think you should change your war cry from "cut and run" to "God wills it!" http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Armoiries_J%C3%A9rusalem.png "In'Shallah" seems to work for the Muslims...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #81 June 11, 2007 QuoteSo, what are you in favor of, Iraq being the 51st or 52nd state? I think you should change your war cry from "cut and run" to "God wills it!" Of course not. It's obvious that Saddam should be returned to power. He'll take care of all those darned mischief-makers. So what if he murders a few hundred thousand of his own people - at least we'll have "stability", and that's what counts. And then if terrorists move in and use the country, with Saddam's permission and assistance, for planning, training and funding terrorist acts around the world, so be it. America deserves whatever it gets, after all. Fair is fair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #82 June 11, 2007 >Of course not. It's obvious that Saddam should be returned to power. >He'll take care of all those darned mischief-makers. So what if he >murders a few hundred thousand of his own people - at least we'll have >"stability", and that's what counts. And then if terrorists move in and use >the country, with Saddam's permission and assistance, for planning, > training and funding terrorist acts around the world, so be it. And here we see John Rich channeling a Reagan supporter from the 1980's. Funny how history repeats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #83 June 11, 2007 QuoteIt's obvious that Saddam should be returned to power. Seeing as he's already dead; how would this work?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #84 June 12, 2007 QuoteOf course not. It's obvious that Saddam should be returned to power. He'll take care of all those darned mischief-makers. So what if he murders a few hundred thousand of his own people - at least we'll have "stability", and that's what counts. Change the first part to "keep" instead of "return" and you'll have part of the conversation that occurred around the table this weekend here. One of my dear friends lost their son in Iraq this past month. On May 28th to be exact. They were immigrants to this country and waiting until August to be granted full citizenship here. Their son joined the U.S. Army to serve his new country. On the 27th he wrote he was okay and would be on base for a few days not to worry. On the 28th he was dead. His troop was sent on a mission to rescue a downed helicopter and a road-side bomb incinerated their vehicle. His father served in the Afghan war (they were immigrants from Russia). They have a very different view of the world than those of us here, protected from that lifestyle. They agree that Sadaam was what kept that part of the world in check, dispite the evils he perpetrated. It was a very somber weekend, here. The grief was immense. Oh, and btw, their son was granted citizenship and the papers presented to the family at his graveside service... ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #85 June 12, 2007 Quote Of course not. It's obvious that Saddam should be returned to power. Since you bring it up, we should have picked our battles better; we should have dealt with the "war on terror" before over extending ourselves in a premeditated, illegal nation building project. Ask yourself a few simple questions: who attacked us, where were they, where are they now and which battle is demanding all of our military, political, and financial resources? He'll take care of all those darned mischief-makers. This bit of truth stings but he was actually doing a much better job of that than we are. So what if he murders a few hundred thousand of his own people - at least we'll have "stability", and that's what counts. Spoken like a fan of Reagan/Bush (41). And then if terrorists move in and use the country, with Saddam's permission and assistance, for planning, training and funding terrorist acts around the world, so be it. I miss all of those pre-war fairy tale fear mongering stories of Bush's first term. Tell me the one about the aluminum tubes again while I get another s'more.. Free countries who are supposed to be setting a good example and who are trying to export their style of free/fair governance (that's the rumor) don't go around toppling countries and killing thousands of people based on unlikely worst case scenarios with no factual basis. America deserves whatever it gets, after all. Fair is fair. Some of the reasons given by bin Laden for warring with the US come from our actions over there, on their land. He says that we exploit their resources and foster instability and conflict in the middle east so that we'll have access to and control over their oil. Are we doing that? He says that we want to maintain military bases on their land in order to maintain control of the region. Is he right? He says that have a one sided view of the Israeli/Palestinian crisis and turn a blind eye to Israel's illegal and provocative land grab activity. Any truth to that? Now if you agree that the above claims have any validity then I'd hope you would agree that maybe they are pissed off at us for a reason, i.e. we're doing exactly what bin Laden warned his follower about. I would think that that might make you rethink how we should deal with our energy, political and military resource demands. If you don't think those claims have any validity then I'd be interested in hearing what you're basing that assumption on. If you think the claims are valid but don't care because you think that the US deserves to use its power in any manner it feels is necessary to make American lives comfortable, then you need to accept that you're an imperialist and you need to realize that events like 9/11 are a cost of maintaining the status quo. How you view it is up to the individual, but try to be honest with at least yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #86 June 12, 2007 Quote>You can't buy alcohol or tobacco with food stamps. You can, however, buy a single bean and (in some places) get change in cash. This money can then be used for alcohol. Louisiana has a pretty decent card-based food stamp system that might serve as a model. The EBT card is in use in every state. http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:NwuoR64AlJYJ:www.mobudget.org/Food%2520Stamp%2520Report%2520Oct%25202006.pdf+missouri+welfare+card+program&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us The Food Stamp Program Is Efficient More than 98 percent of food stamp benefits go to eligible households. The Food Stamp Program’s error rate, or the sum of overpayments and underpayments to recipients, is at an all-time low, having fallen for six consecutive years51. And in 2003, only 4.5 percent of food stamp benefits represented either overpayments to eligible households or payments to ineligiblehouseholds. By comparison, the Internal Revenue Service recently reported that taxpayers underpaid their taxes by about 16 percent in 2001.52One reason the Food Stamp Program is so efficient is that USDA has eliminated the old food coupons. All benefits are now issued through Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) cards, which allow recipients to transfer their benefits electronically to a participating retailer. This haseliminated the need to print, transport, safeguard, distribute, track, and destroy the coupons, and created administrative savings for the government, retailers, and bankers. It has also helped fight fraud and misuse of benefits. Food Stamp recipients like the convenience and security of EBT. They used to receive an “Authorization to Purchase,” which they took to a food stamp office or bank to get their coupons. That trip, and the middleman, has been eliminated. Also, if an EBT card is lost or stolen, it is protected by a PIN and can be replaced. Many recipients also report that the EBT card reduces the stigma associated with using food stamp coupons, since it works like the credit or debit cards used by other customers. EBT is the required method of issuing food stamp benefits in every state. In the Missouri Food Stamp Program, the EBT card program was implemented on a statewide basis in 1998. The EBT card is mailed to the Food Stamp recipient within 5 days after the recipient receives notice of eligibility for Food Stamp benefits and can be used to purchase food at any grocery store thatdisplays the QUEST mark. The Food Stamp benefit is automatically replenished on the EBT card every month to prevent the wrong person from getting the Food Stamp benefit. In addition,as an additional precaution, the EBT card is “locked” for the day if the PIN code is incorrect in 4 tries. These measures help Missouri prevent Food Stamp benefits from being misused or stolen"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
freethefly 6 #86 June 12, 2007 Quote>You can't buy alcohol or tobacco with food stamps. You can, however, buy a single bean and (in some places) get change in cash. This money can then be used for alcohol. Louisiana has a pretty decent card-based food stamp system that might serve as a model. The EBT card is in use in every state. http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:NwuoR64AlJYJ:www.mobudget.org/Food%2520Stamp%2520Report%2520Oct%25202006.pdf+missouri+welfare+card+program&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us The Food Stamp Program Is Efficient More than 98 percent of food stamp benefits go to eligible households. The Food Stamp Program’s error rate, or the sum of overpayments and underpayments to recipients, is at an all-time low, having fallen for six consecutive years51. And in 2003, only 4.5 percent of food stamp benefits represented either overpayments to eligible households or payments to ineligiblehouseholds. By comparison, the Internal Revenue Service recently reported that taxpayers underpaid their taxes by about 16 percent in 2001.52One reason the Food Stamp Program is so efficient is that USDA has eliminated the old food coupons. All benefits are now issued through Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) cards, which allow recipients to transfer their benefits electronically to a participating retailer. This haseliminated the need to print, transport, safeguard, distribute, track, and destroy the coupons, and created administrative savings for the government, retailers, and bankers. It has also helped fight fraud and misuse of benefits. Food Stamp recipients like the convenience and security of EBT. They used to receive an “Authorization to Purchase,” which they took to a food stamp office or bank to get their coupons. That trip, and the middleman, has been eliminated. Also, if an EBT card is lost or stolen, it is protected by a PIN and can be replaced. Many recipients also report that the EBT card reduces the stigma associated with using food stamp coupons, since it works like the credit or debit cards used by other customers. EBT is the required method of issuing food stamp benefits in every state. In the Missouri Food Stamp Program, the EBT card program was implemented on a statewide basis in 1998. The EBT card is mailed to the Food Stamp recipient within 5 days after the recipient receives notice of eligibility for Food Stamp benefits and can be used to purchase food at any grocery store thatdisplays the QUEST mark. The Food Stamp benefit is automatically replenished on the EBT card every month to prevent the wrong person from getting the Food Stamp benefit. In addition,as an additional precaution, the EBT card is “locked” for the day if the PIN code is incorrect in 4 tries. These measures help Missouri prevent Food Stamp benefits from being misused or stolen"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
