kallend 2,184 #26 June 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteKids emulate what adults do. Try listening to a conversation at the DZ someday and see how many expletives you hear in an hour. Why blame TV? So you're in favor of having words like "fuck" and "shit" be commonplace on prime-time kiddie TV shows? Interesting way to twist words around. I don't believe I wrote anything at all to suggest that. I'd prefer that adults cleaned up their language - starting with our top elected officials who should be setting a good example.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #27 June 6, 2007 QuoteI'd prefer that adults cleaned up their language - starting with our top elected officials who should be setting a good example. How about holding "all adults" to a standard rather than the cliche "top elected officials" should do it first? I don't care what your job is if you are gratuitously foul-mouthed. Any adult should be setting a good example. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #28 June 6, 2007 Quote I don't care what your job is if you are gratuitously foul-mouthed. Any adult should be setting a good example. Yeah dude, maybe you could have a word with my company commander from boot camp? That dude set records on vulgarity. I remember on my first weekend home afterwards, I asked my mom to "Pass the fucking butter." I couldn't believe what I had just said, but that shit was ingrained in me after 8 weeks of constant bombardment. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #29 June 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteKids emulate what adults do. Try listening to a conversation at the DZ someday and see how many expletives you hear in an hour. Why blame TV? So you're in favor of having words like "fuck" and "shit" be commonplace on prime-time kiddie TV shows? Interesting way to twist words around. I don't believe I wrote anything at all to suggest that. Your post was a response to:QuoteI don't want to see curse words become common on regular entertainment shows, during prime time, when the kiddies are watching. Everyone knows that kids emulate what they see on TV, and that's bad enough already... Not really much of a twist when you back up a post or two, eh perfesser? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #30 June 6, 2007 > i don't see what literary point is being made by the use of profanity . . . There's no literary point, but there is a journalistic point. It has been shown that you cannot accurately report on what our government leaders say without using such words, so there is a legitimate first amendment reason to (occasionally) use such words in reporting news. It would be a mistake to require journalists to 'bleep out' what our leaders say in public. Needless to say, media outlets should use good judgment in when to report on such events, and should not allow their use on kid's programs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 June 6, 2007 QuoteYeah dude, maybe you could have a word with my company commander from boot camp? Fine - send him over. I believe tea is served at about 2:00 p.m., perhaps with a bit of cake. Make sure he wipes his shoes. Kidding - funny thing about many commanders, and bully sergeants/chiefs, etc. Get them around women and kids and most civilians, and they are about as civil and clean as can be. They are using it to play the minds of their charges. And they are masters at it. Shows that it doesn't have to be ingrained, but it takes the attitude that language is a tool, not just something that has a life of its own. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #32 June 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteKids emulate what adults do. Try listening to a conversation at the DZ someday and see how many expletives you hear in an hour. Why blame TV? So you're in favor of having words like "fuck" and "shit" be commonplace on prime-time kiddie TV shows? Interesting way to twist words around. I don't believe I wrote anything at all to suggest that. Your post was a response to:QuoteI don't want to see curse words become common on regular entertainment shows, during prime time, when the kiddies are watching. Everyone knows that kids emulate what they see on TV, and that's bad enough already... Not really much of a twist when you back up a post or two, eh perfesser? You can twist anything at all - it appears to be one of your talents. However, I wrote nothing whatsoever condoning foul language on TV.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #33 June 6, 2007 Quote They are using it to play the minds of their charges. And they are masters at it. He was a master all right. Who knew that you could use the word 'fuck' 78 times, in context, while describing how to fold a simple white t-shirt? Years later, when I found myself doing live radio and sometimes TV, I always had it in the back of my mind that I might just blurt out something foul. Luckily, I was able to suppress that part of me.... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #34 June 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteKids emulate what adults do. Try listening to a conversation at the DZ someday and see how many expletives you hear in an hour. Why blame TV? So you're in favor of having words like "fuck" and "shit" be commonplace on prime-time kiddie TV shows? ?!??!?!!!???? How'd you get to that from what he said? You bucking for a talk radio gig? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #35 June 6, 2007 Quote He was a master all right. Who knew that you could use the word 'fuck' 78 times, in context, while describing how to fold a simple white t-shirt?... Ahhhh, the word Fuck! http://ia350618.us.archive.org/3/items/JackWagnerattr.MontyPythontheWordFuck/The_Word_Fuck_64kb.mp3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #36 June 6, 2007 Meekrob"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #37 June 6, 2007 Quote You can twist anything at all - it appears to be one of your talents. If you say so.Did you know the Federal Government blocked the NYT from publishing an article by Flynt Leverett (which is not to be confused with Mr. Leverett's former employer execising it's non-disclosure authority)... or that Colin Powell tried to coverup the My Lai massacre... or that opponents of a referendum to raise minimum wage in Florida claimed hundreds of thousands of jobs would lost if the effort passed. Quote However, I wrote nothing whatsoever condoning foul language on TV. Not directly. Your follow up to "Everyone knows that kids emulate what they see on TV, and that's bad enough already" was to counter with an alternate example, followed by "Why blame TV?" So you weren't dismissing/discounting the impact of TV on kids? Hmm Getting back on track - it doesn't matter if people think kids shouldn't watch TV or whether kids are exposed to negative influences elsewhere, it's pretty much a given that what kids see on TV (and a lot of kids watch a lot of TV) has an influence on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #38 June 6, 2007 Quote Not directly. Your follow up to "Everyone knows that kids emulate what they see on TV, and that's bad enough already" was to counter with an alternate example, followed by "Why blame TV?" So you weren't dismissing/discounting the impact of TV on kids? Hmm You're really stretching on this one to find a reason to pick a fight with Kallend today. Basically I read his comment as "don't just blame TV". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #39 June 6, 2007 Silly me, I thought discussion was about what is and is not appropriate on TV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #40 June 6, 2007 Quote Silly me, I thought discussion was about what is and is not appropriate on TV. The nature of your swoop into the discussion made it look like we were gearing up for another thread diversion into the land of NC and Kal's "what's your definition of is". Please pardon me if I was wrong. But if you want to stay on topic, I think that a few bad words is not the problem with TV. I think that the mindless TV programming, lack of imagination, excessive violence, and the playing to the lowest common denominator are the problems. But then again, that crap seems to sell, and since that's what the game is all about I don't really expect it to get any better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #41 June 6, 2007 No doubt there are a number problems with network television. But just because some are worse, I don't see that as a good reason for discounting/ignoring this issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #42 June 6, 2007 QuoteSo? Because the FCC has turned this into a partisian type fight...claiming the leftist media/hollywood will destory the world with swear words. IDK about you guys, but in the early 80s long before cable TV was huge (only 1 house had it on my block up till '83), kids on my grammar school playground were calling each other 'jerkoffs' and 'shithead' and often used the word 'fuck.' The FCC is not there to be a parent. Quote "Reuters reports that the 2nd circuit has struck down the FCC's recent ruling on indecency, in a case brought by Fox. The court said the U.S. Federal Communications Commission was 'arbitrary and capricious' in setting a new standard for defining indecency. 'Republican FCC Chairman Kevin Martin angrily retorted that he found it "hard to believe that the New York court would tell American families that 'sh*t' and 'f@ck' are fine to say on broadcast television during the hours when children are most likely to be in the audience ... If we can't restrict the use (of the two obscenities) during prime time, Hollywood will be able to say anything they want, whenever they want," Martin said in a statement.' No word yet on whether the agency will appeal._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #43 June 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo you're in favor of having words like "fuck" and "shit" be commonplace on prime-time kiddie TV shows? Interesting way to twist words around. I don't believe I wrote anything at all to suggest that. I didn't "twist" anything - I simply asked you a question. QuoteI'd prefer that adults cleaned up their language - ...setting a good example. So I'll take that as a "no" response to my question. If you would just state your position up front, instead of playing these coy games of yours, then we wouldn't have to go through this exercise to drag it out of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #44 June 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo you're in favor of having words like "fuck" and "shit" be commonplace on prime-time kiddie TV shows? Interesting way to twist words around. I don't believe I wrote anything at all to suggest that. I didn't "twist" anything - I simply asked you a question. QuoteI'd prefer that adults cleaned up their language - ...setting a good example. So I'll take that as a "no" response to my question. If you would just state your position up front, instead of playing these coy games of yours, then we wouldn't have to go through this exercise to drag it out of you. If you would word your questions as questions rather than as loaded statements, you would find it easier to get answers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #45 June 6, 2007 >So you're in favor of having words like "fuck" and "shit" be >commonplace on prime-time kiddie TV shows? So you are in favor of laws that keep journalists from reporting on what public officials say? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #46 June 6, 2007 Quote Quote You can twist anything at all - it appears to be one of your talents. If you say so.Did you know the Federal Government blocked the NYT from publishing an article by Flynt Leverett (which is not to be confused with Mr. Leverett's former employer execising it's non-disclosure authority)... or that Colin Powell tried to coverup the My Lai massacre... or that opponents of a referendum to raise minimum wage in Florida claimed hundreds of thousands of jobs would lost if the effort passed. Quote However, I wrote nothing whatsoever condoning foul language on TV. Not directly. Your follow up to "Everyone knows that kids emulate what they see on TV, and that's bad enough already" was to counter with an alternate example, followed by "Why blame TV?" So you weren't dismissing/discounting the impact of TV on kids? . Do you think people are actually taken in by your "debating" style.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #47 June 6, 2007 Quotekids on my grammar school playground were calling each other 'jerkoffs' and 'shithead' and often used the word 'fuck.' The FCC is not there to be a parent. So you're in favor of allowing words like "shit" and "fuck" to be used freely on entertainment television shows during prime kid-watching hours? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #48 June 6, 2007 QuoteSo you are in favor of laws that keep journalists from reporting on what public officials say? Go back and read my message #8. kallend often refuses to state his position, so that he won't have to expend energy to defend it. He prefers to lay low and attack others. Unlike kallend, I stated my position right up front. All you have to do is read it and remember it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #49 June 6, 2007 QuoteQuotekids on my grammar school playground were calling each other 'jerkoffs' and 'shithead' and often used the word 'fuck.' The FCC is not there to be a parent. So you're in favor of allowing words like "shit" and "fuck" to be used freely on entertainment television shows during prime kid-watching hours? If you would word your questions as questions rather than as emotionally loaded statements, you would find it easier to get answers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #50 June 6, 2007 So you are for censorship of reporters who report on our government. Check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
