kallend 2,183 #1 June 5, 2007 In ruling against an FCC decision on the use of expletives in broadcasting, the US 2nd Court of Appeals used GWB and Dick Cheney as examples: "Specifically it noted that both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney were on record as having used those words in a non-literal way, Mr Bush when he told Tony Blair that the United Nations needed to "get Syria to stop Hezbollah to stop doing this s***' and Mr Cheney when he told a senator, on the floor of the Senate, to "f*** yourself'. " www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1888983.ece... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #3 June 5, 2007 >So? Just interesting. It looks like it's a lot more likely that words like "shit" and "fuck" will be allowed on daytime broadcast TV, which is a significant change. It's often said that the president in some ways sets the tone for the country; this is a concrete example of that maxim in action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,183 #4 June 5, 2007 Quote So? I expect God told him to say it ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 June 5, 2007 Quote>So? Just interesting. It looks like it's a lot more likely that words like "shit" and "fuck" will be allowed on daytime broadcast TV, which is a significant change. It's often said that the president in some ways sets the tone for the country; this is a concrete example of that maxim in action. Certainly you're not implying this has only been happening in the last 6 years?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #6 June 5, 2007 >Certainly you're not implying this has only been happening in the last 6 years? Nope, it's been creeping up on us for a while. Around 2000, "shit" and "fuck" started to appear more and more on prime time TV, with a few big examples (Cher, Nicole Richie, Bono.) In 2004, the FCC set up new rules to try to prevent these expletives from being broadcast. This court case sets them aside, based partly on the rationale that they acceptable when our leaders say them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 June 5, 2007 Gotcha...thanks for the clarification...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 June 5, 2007 QuoteThis court case sets them aside, based partly on the rationale that they acceptable when our leaders say them. I can see curse words being somewhat acceptable when part of natural news reporting of people on the street. For example, if a news crew is filming an auto accident scene, I would expect a few people involved in the accident to be cursing. However, I don't want to see curse words become common on regular entertainment shows, during prime time, when the kiddies are watching. Everyone knows that kids emulate what they see on TV, and that's bad enough already... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,183 #9 June 5, 2007 Quote>Certainly you're not implying this has only been happening in the last 6 years? Nope, it's been creeping up on us for a while. Around 2000, "shit" and "fuck" started to appear more and more on prime time TV, with a few big examples (Cher, Nicole Richie, Bono.) In 2004, the FCC set up new rules to try to prevent these expletives from being broadcast. This court case sets them aside, based partly on the rationale that they acceptable when our leaders say them. There's quite a lot of it on the Nixon tapes too (excepting the missing 18 minutes, of course).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,183 #10 June 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis court case sets them aside, based partly on the rationale that they acceptable when our leaders say them. I can see curse words being somewhat acceptable when part of natural news reporting of people on the street. For example, if a news crew is filming an auto accident scene, I would expect a few people involved in the accident to be cursing. However, I don't want to see curse words become common on regular entertainment shows, during prime time, when the kiddies are watching. Everyone knows that kids emulate what they see on TV, and that's bad enough already... Kids emulate what adults do. Try listening to a conversation at the DZ someday and see how many expletives you hear in an hour. Why blame TV?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #11 June 5, 2007 >However, I don't want to see curse words become common on >regular entertainment shows, during prime time, when the kiddies are >watching. Everyone knows that kids emulate what they see on TV, and >that's bad enough already... . . . and many people emulate US leaders. While I agree that one should be careful about where profanity is used, I don't think the problem is confined to what people see on TV, nor is that even the biggest problem. "Go fuck yourself" is now used in our highest levels of government; that's going to have an effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #12 June 5, 2007 Quote>So? Just interesting. It looks like it's a lot more likely that words like "shit" and "fuck" will be allowed on daytime broadcast TV, which is a significant change. It's often said that the president in some ways sets the tone for the country; this is a concrete example of that maxim in action. The President's father used it too, "He's going to get his @ss kicked." in reference to Saddam's "Mother of all battles" shtick... Is there really a movement to make a change in the "allowable language" for daytime TV?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #13 June 5, 2007 >Is there really a movement to make a change in the "allowable language" for daytime TV? No, this just struck down an FCC rule that prevented it. However, overall it's been on the rise (i.e. the Cher/Bono comments.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #14 June 6, 2007 Shit and Fuck in particular are considered THE bad words not allowed on a prime time TV series - only South Park and Chicago Hope have allowed Shit to be broadcast (knowingly) - exceptions of course were the unedited movie versions of Saving Private Ryan and The Exorcist on CBS (but those are movies not series). The main push for profanity on TV really came after the NYFD profanity laden tirade that was broadcast live after 9/11 (that was justified profanity IMHO). That was really the first time Fuck had been used during prime time (I'm sure there are some exceptions out there I have missed). Main thing is who cares? TV has an On/Off switch and descriptions of the show - parents should learn to moniter what the kiddies watch and know how to use said switches. Don't use the TV as a babysitter. Too many kids have nursed at the cathode ray nipple already.... As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 June 6, 2007 Wow only 4 posts till you got in a Clinton did it First... Got a Cite for that???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 June 6, 2007 QuoteWow only 4 posts till you got in a Clinton did it First... Got a Cite for that???? (reviews post) Funny, I don't see any mention of Clinton in there... sorry.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #17 June 6, 2007 QuoteCertainly you're not implying this has only been happening in the last 6 years? Its all about the TIMING I guess.. bringing up the period BEFORE the last 6 years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 June 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteCertainly you're not implying this has only been happening in the last 6 years? Its all about the TIMING I guess.. bringing up the period BEFORE the last 6 years... Believe it or not, it's NOT all about Bush...or Clinton.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #19 June 6, 2007 We've come a long way since the major broadcast controversy of Alan Alda/Hawkeye Pierce saying "You son of a bitch!" to a Korean MP. Our local stations *still* silence that portion. Can't help but wonder about the politicians using this, one could argue they're no longer "politically correct." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #20 June 6, 2007 Quote "Go fuck yourself" is now used in our highest levels of government; that's going to have an effect. Or at least we know it was used on one occassion. This whole rationale of "we have two examples of profanity (over a seven year period), so that makes it okay for anyone to say whatever they want on national television", seems a lot like the lame excuse of "well, Johnny did it". Our courts are applying the critical thinking of an irresponsible 10 year old boy. Oh joy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #21 June 6, 2007 Did the FCC fine them when their remarks appeared on CSPAN? We really should but a 7 second delay on those congressional debates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #22 June 6, 2007 Quote .... Main thing is who cares? TV has an On/Off switch and descriptions of the show - parents should learn to moniter what the kiddies watch and know how to use said switches. Don't use the TV as a babysitter. Too many kids have nursed at the cathode ray nipple already.... this statement has prompted my first post to these forums in over a year. first of all, i have a four year old boy and try to set a good example for him. i don't curse around him, have quit smoking, use manners, and we always have family meals at the table with the tv off. the problem i have with the language on tv is not that i let him watch anything unsupervised (except his movies on dvd or tape), but the fact that on some evenings, the wife and i will be watching a show with him playing in the same room. in this case, i don't want him to overhear it. when we go to friends' houses, if they curse, it's no big deal because he does know that there are things that adults say that he is not to repeat. it is not like he hears them all the time, but when he hears people he looks up to saying them, he is more likely to repeat them. i don't see what literary point is being made by the use of profanity. although i am firmly rooted in my belief of freedom for everyone to do anything that doesn't interfere with anyone else, this clearly interferes with other people, namely the right to raise their children without profanity around._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #23 June 6, 2007 Quote Main thing is who cares? TV has an On/Off switch and descriptions of the show - parents should learn to moniter what the kiddies watch and know how to use said switches. Don't use the TV as a babysitter. Too many kids have nursed at the cathode ray nipple already.... Amen to all the above! Turn the damn thing off and you won't have to worry about exposing kids to lousy programming and the language in question. The end result will be a thinner, healthier, less ignorant electorate. I'm dumbfounded at the amount of dumb I've found on TV these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #24 June 6, 2007 QuoteEveryone knows that kids emulate what they see on TV, and that's bad enough already... I think we need to start teaching kids MORE swear words. That way, when they are approached to go into the military (and then to Iraq) they can say confidently "Fuck that shit!" "No thank you" just doesn't have the same chilling effect on recruiters. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #25 June 6, 2007 QuoteKids emulate what adults do. Try listening to a conversation at the DZ someday and see how many expletives you hear in an hour. Why blame TV? So you're in favor of having words like "fuck" and "shit" be commonplace on prime-time kiddie TV shows? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
