Cold Cash in the freezer and Clinton got a Blow Job

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I think that with him in power he can use the same stalling tactics he has done...and not allowed this minions to speak.They are playing right out of the Republican play book of the 1970's just like his buddies learned at Nixons feet.... they are a lot alike..

Go after him once he and his henchmen have left office.. and do it on the world stage..if found innocent fine.. but this has been an assault on the world.... and we set the precedent for trying tyrants in 1945. We should play by those same rules now.

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Not me. I see it as it sounds like Jefferson is a crook and should be dealt with appropriately. The right wingers see it another justification for fucking America for power and profit.

Oh, of course it's all the Repubs. How silly of me to forget!

Someone breaks the law, punish them ...just don't use other's offences to justify 'patriot' atrocities.

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Do you *HONESTLY* believe that if the Dems had ANYTHING actionable that they WOULDN'T be trying to impeach?

Honestly?

If so, then by all means, let's do it - let's impeach Bush.

Did you actually read more of the stuff on her blog. You two should get married ...you could at least share medication.

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>So then, you agree with the right wingers on Congressman Jefferson.

Fortunately, the left wingers aren't supporting someone like this sleaze. Makes for a lot less bloviating. Compare that to the right wing's support of Tom Delay.

Or the myopic perspective of so many of the left wingers who still think Clinton was impeached for getting a blowjob.

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Do you *HONESTLY* believe that if the Dems had ANYTHING actionable that they WOULDN'T be trying to impeach?

Honestly?

If so, then by all means, let's do it - let's impeach Bush.

Did you actually read more of the stuff on her blog. You two should get married ...you could at least share medication.

Nice PA... but getting back to the point, if you think it's such bullshit...why don't start a thread and rebut it?

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Do you *HONESTLY* believe that if the Dems had ANYTHING actionable that they WOULDN'T be trying to impeach?

Honestly?

If so, then by all means, let's do it - let's impeach Bush.

Did you actually read more of the stuff on her blog. You two should get married ...you could at least share medication.

Nice PA... but getting back to the point, if you think it's such bullshit...why don't start a thread and rebut it?

I have been busy and not posting here so they had to find someone else to PA.

In any event, I love the "we can't get rid of him because the people of New Orleans, that Bush fucked over during Katrina, need him so bad we have to forive his little transgression" spin the left loving media is now putting on this.

Can you imanging the media furvor if an R had the ties Pelosi it being stated to have and Jefferson is involved in? It would be a damed circus.

Not surprising though

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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>So then, you agree with the right wingers on Congressman Jefferson.

Fortunately, the left wingers aren't supporting someone like this sleaze. Makes for a lot less bloviating. Compare that to the right wing's support of Tom Delay.

I agree the libs aren't supporting him, but are the leaders of the Democratic party calling for him to resign?

Tom Delay is still supported because he was not at all so clearly guilty. Many think it quite likely he was innocent of the charges, that it was nothing more than a politically motivated prosecution. That is a big difference.

Clinton didn't just get a blowjob, he was accused of rape, sexual imposition, and sexual harrasment. His perjury was related to his attempt to avoid prosecution on the Jones' lawsuit involving imposition and harrasment.

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I agree the libs aren't supporting him, but are the leaders of the Democratic party calling for him to resign?

Yes. Even though he was popularly re-elected last fall, he's out of all his committee positions. The House just made it mandatory that the (once again functioning) ethics committee initiate an investigation withing 30 days of an indictment. And while many are saying that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty that he should be tried in a court of law. In addition, yesterday Steve Kagen (D-WI) stated:
"For our democracy to thrive, people must have faith in the integrity of our government institutions and the people who serve in them.

Serving in the United States Congress is a privilege bestowed by the people of this nation. It comes with special responsibilities. I sought public office with a pledge to restore honesty and integrity to government.

"While Mr. Jefferson is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence to which all citizens are entitled, all members of Congress must be held to a higher standard. Congressman Jefferson should consider resigning for the good of the Congress and for the good of the nation."

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I agree the libs aren't supporting him, but are the leaders of the Democratic party calling for him to resign?

Yes. Even though he was popularly re-elected last fall, he's out of all his committee positions. The House just made it mandatory that the (once again functioning) ethics committee initiate an investigation withing 30 days of an indictment. And while many are saying that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty that he should be tried in a court of law. In addition, yesterday Steve Kagen (D-WI) stated:
"For our democracy to thrive, people must have faith in the integrity of our government institutions and the people who serve in them.

Serving in the United States Congress is a privilege bestowed by the people of this nation. It comes with special responsibilities. I sought public office with a pledge to restore honesty and integrity to government.

"While Mr. Jefferson is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence to which all citizens are entitled, all members of Congress must be held to a higher standard. Congressman Jefferson should consider resigning for the good of the Congress and for the good of the nation."

Of course Jefferson is entitled to due process but Delay wasn't

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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I agree the libs aren't supporting him, but are the leaders of the Democratic party calling for him to resign?

Yes. Even though he was popularly re-elected last fall, he's out of all his committee positions. The House just made it mandatory that the (once again functioning) ethics committee initiate an investigation withing 30 days of an indictment. And while many are saying that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty that he should be tried in a court of law. In addition, yesterday Steve Kagen (D-WI) stated:
"For our democracy to thrive, people must have faith in the integrity of our government institutions and the people who serve in them.

Serving in the United States Congress is a privilege bestowed by the people of this nation. It comes with special responsibilities. I sought public office with a pledge to restore honesty and integrity to government.

"While Mr. Jefferson is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence to which all citizens are entitled, all members of Congress must be held to a higher standard. Congressman Jefferson should consider resigning for the good of the Congress and for the good of the nation."

Of course Jefferson is entitled to due process but Delay wasn't

Has Delay been imprisoned without charge, and been denied access to a lawyer? I knew Bush did these things, but to do it to a former friend Oh the Humanity!

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I agree the libs aren't supporting him, but are the leaders of the Democratic party calling for him to resign?

Yes. Even though he was popularly re-elected last fall, he's out of all his committee positions. The House just made it mandatory that the (once again functioning) ethics committee initiate an investigation withing 30 days of an indictment. And while many are saying that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty that he should be tried in a court of law. In addition, yesterday Steve Kagen (D-WI) stated:
"For our democracy to thrive, people must have faith in the integrity of our government institutions and the people who serve in them.

Serving in the United States Congress is a privilege bestowed by the people of this nation. It comes with special responsibilities. I sought public office with a pledge to restore honesty and integrity to government.

"While Mr. Jefferson is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence to which all citizens are entitled, all members of Congress must be held to a higher standard. Congressman Jefferson should consider resigning for the good of the Congress and for the good of the nation."

Of course Jefferson is entitled to due process but Delay wasn't

Has Delay been imprisoned without charge, and been denied access to a lawyer? I knew Bush did these things, but to do it to a former friend Oh the Humanity!

No my dear professor, however it does not surprise me thay you would choose to over look the point I was making. I will spell it out more specifically for you.

The media firestorm would not cease untill he resigned or was arrested. The seriousness of the chargw was all the media (and the Dems) needed to go on an all out blitz to destroy him.

You can, if you choose, compare that to the way Mr Jeffereson is being handled in the media.

I hope this opens your horizons a bit sir

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I agree the libs aren't supporting him, but are the leaders of the Democratic party calling for him to resign?

Yes. Even though he was popularly re-elected last fall, he's out of all his committee positions. The House just made it mandatory that the (once again functioning) ethics committee initiate an investigation withing 30 days of an indictment. And while many are saying that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty that he should be tried in a court of law. In addition, yesterday Steve Kagen (D-WI) stated:
"For our democracy to thrive, people must have faith in the integrity of our government institutions and the people who serve in them.

Serving in the United States Congress is a privilege bestowed by the people of this nation. It comes with special responsibilities. I sought public office with a pledge to restore honesty and integrity to government.

"While Mr. Jefferson is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence to which all citizens are entitled, all members of Congress must be held to a higher standard. Congressman Jefferson should consider resigning for the good of the Congress and for the good of the nation."

Of course Jefferson is entitled to due process but Delay wasn't

Has Delay been imprisoned without charge, and been denied access to a lawyer? I knew Bush did these things, but to do it to a former friend Oh the Humanity!

No my dear professor, however it does not surprise me thay you would choose to over look the point I was making. I will spell it out more specifically for you.

The media firestorm would not cease untill he resigned or was arrested. The seriousness of the chargw was all the media (and the Dems) needed to go on an all out blitz to destroy him.

You can, if you choose, compare that to the way Mr Jeffereson is being handled in the media.

I hope this opens your horizons a bit sir

I guess you have a different definition of "due process" than the rest of us.

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Of course Jefferson is entitled to due process but Delay wasn't

Your filter is clogged again. You're not getting all of my post. You're just getting one sentence out of it, missing the rest, and starting an argument. And by the way, the article that I was referencing came from the wacky leftist Center for American Progress.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/progressreport/
Go ahead and give it a read. Besides the calls for Jefferson to be held to a higher standard there's some nice stuff about what a hypocrite Boehner (can't read that without laughing) is. There's your example of double standard.

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And by the way, the article that I was referencing came from the wacky leftist Center for American Progress.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/progressreport/
Go ahead and give it a read. Besides the calls for Jefferson to be held to a higher standard there's some nice stuff about what a hypocrite Boehner (can't read that without laughing) is. There's your example of double standard.

DUDE... that site is SOOO not on the right wing approved media sources list... go find something from a news source that mattters to the right.. perhaps....www.cofcc.org

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DUDE... that site is SOOO not on the right wing approved media sources list... go find something from a news source that mattters to the right.. perhaps....www.cofcc.org

Without a doubt, the fact that the Bush administration has brought us to the point where I quite frequently agree with Pat Buchanan has to be one of the most telling signs that we've got serious problems.

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And by the way, the article that I was referencing came from the wacky leftist Center for American Progress.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/progressreport/
Go ahead and give it a read. Besides the calls for Jefferson to be held to a higher standard there's some nice stuff about what a hypocrite Boehner (can't read that without laughing) is. There's your example of double standard.

DUDE... that site is SOOO not on the right wing approved media sources list

Every once in a while I'll come across a site like that, with a catchy name. One that sticks out is People for the American Way (like feeding on tax dollars is the American Way). Fairly quickly, I see shit that just isn't right. And like that, I'm outta there.

It kind of reminds me of the time back in college, when some friends and I went into what we thought was just a normal bar... that is until we saw posters of man on man sex. Outta there.

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I agree the libs aren't supporting him, but are the leaders of the Democratic party calling for him to resign?

Yes. Even though he was popularly re-elected last fall, he's out of all his committee positions. The House just made it mandatory that the (once again functioning) ethics committee initiate an investigation withing 30 days of an indictment. And while many are saying that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty that he should be tried in a court of law. In addition, yesterday Steve Kagen (D-WI) stated:
"For our democracy to thrive, people must have faith in the integrity of our government institutions and the people who serve in them.

Serving in the United States Congress is a privilege bestowed by the people of this nation. It comes with special responsibilities. I sought public office with a pledge to restore honesty and integrity to government.

"While Mr. Jefferson is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence to which all citizens are entitled, all members of Congress must be held to a higher standard. Congressman Jefferson should consider resigning for the good of the Congress and for the good of the nation."

Of course Jefferson is entitled to due process but Delay wasn't

Has Delay been imprisoned without charge, and been denied access to a lawyer? I knew Bush did these things, but to do it to a former friend Oh the Humanity!

No my dear professor, however it does not surprise me thay you would choose to over look the point I was making. I will spell it out more specifically for you.

The media firestorm would not cease untill he resigned or was arrested. The seriousness of the chargw was all the media (and the Dems) needed to go on an all out blitz to destroy him.

You can, if you choose, compare that to the way Mr Jeffereson is being handled in the media.

I hope this opens your horizons a bit sir

I guess you have a different definition of "due process" than the rest of us.

Yes, you do


Nice reply by the way

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Of course Jefferson is entitled to due process but Delay wasn't

Your filter is clogged again. You're not getting all of my post. You're just getting one sentence out of it, missing the rest, and starting an argument. And by the way, the article that I was referencing came from the wacky leftist Center for American Progress.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/progressreport/
Go ahead and give it a read. Besides the calls for Jefferson to be held to a higher standard there's some nice stuff about what a hypocrite Boehner (can't read that without laughing) is. There's your example of double standard.

And you are missing the point. I am thlking of the way the media and the high profile Dems are spinning this. Say what you want and throw all your "you don't know what you are talkng about PAs" but the fact remains this is reported differently than if an R was the one in trouble.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I agree the libs aren't supporting him, but are the leaders of the Democratic party calling for him to resign?

Yes. Even though he was popularly re-elected last fall, he's out of all his committee positions. The House just made it mandatory that the (once again functioning) ethics committee initiate an investigation withing 30 days of an indictment. And while many are saying that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty that he should be tried in a court of law. In addition, yesterday Steve Kagen (D-WI) stated:
"For our democracy to thrive, people must have faith in the integrity of our government institutions and the people who serve in them.

Serving in the United States Congress is a privilege bestowed by the people of this nation. It comes with special responsibilities. I sought public office with a pledge to restore honesty and integrity to government.

"While Mr. Jefferson is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence to which all citizens are entitled, all members of Congress must be held to a higher standard. Congressman Jefferson should consider resigning for the good of the Congress and for the good of the nation."

The Dem leadership isn't calling for his resignation, are they?

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I agree the libs aren't supporting him, but are the leaders of the Democratic party calling for him to resign?

Yes. Even though he was popularly re-elected last fall, he's out of all his committee positions. The House just made it mandatory that the (once again functioning) ethics committee initiate an investigation withing 30 days of an indictment. And while many are saying that he should be considered innocent until proven guilty that he should be tried in a court of law. In addition, yesterday Steve Kagen (D-WI) stated:
"For our democracy to thrive, people must have faith in the integrity of our government institutions and the people who serve in them.

Serving in the United States Congress is a privilege bestowed by the people of this nation. It comes with special responsibilities. I sought public office with a pledge to restore honesty and integrity to government.

"While Mr. Jefferson is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence to which all citizens are entitled, all members of Congress must be held to a higher standard. Congressman Jefferson should consider resigning for the good of the Congress and for the good of the nation."

The Dem leadership isn't calling for his resignation, are they?

Not yet. They've only made it mandatory that it be investigated within 30 days and kicked him off his committee positions (stepped down from one, kicked off the other).
Pelosi: The charges in the indictment against Congressman Jefferson are extremely serious. While Mr. Jefferson, just as any other citizen, must be considered innocent until proven guilty, if these charges are proven true, they constitute an egregious and unacceptable abuse of public trust and power.
Hoyer has stated that Jefferson's effectiveness is impaired and I think Hoyer is involved in the investigation that will probably have Jefferson removed, even before a trial.

But to be fair and balanced, what did Boehner say:
About Ney on whether or not to step down after Ney pled guilty: "That's a decision he and his family are going to have to make".
And after the DeLay gave up trying to get the "DeLay rule" passed, was subsequently indicted and resigned, Boehner said "He has served our nation with integrity and honor, and I’m honored to call him my colleague and friend."