Remaking American Society

[Channman 2]

Quote of the Day, "Fairness, to Democrats, is misery spread equally."

The Dems are obsessed with equality. They are obsessed with everybody being the same. Boys and girls are not different. Multiculturalism is all about making sure that everybody, every religion is the same, every cultural cusp is the same, none is better than the other, none is worse than the other, because Dems will not make such judgments. So when Mrs. Clinton starts talking about fairness, that's a code word for government's going to come in and we're going to legislate and mandate equality of outcomes. What does it mean to you and me in real terms? Well, the great leaders, such as Chairman Hillary...hehehe, assures us that the new society, this "we're all in it together" society means prosperity to all. Every American will get affordable health insurance bestowed by the same big government types that created the problems that we have now. Corporations will be punished. She's making no secret of this. This is not the first time she's said it. She says that there will be no more special breaks. Oil companies are going to be punished the most. Oil companies will be required to invest in technologies that she and government deem appropriate, or they will face higher taxes. Corporate CEOs will have their paychecks monitored by the public, and they will be open to public challenge. These are stunning admissions that she's making, and I'll tell you what, the fact that the Drive-Bys ie (the Media) for those on the West Coast or in the North East are not pumping it up and making a big deal out of it is because they know how damaging this could be if it were given wide play. Some out there I'm sure would love to celebrate this and ring the bells, but they don't dare.

This stuff hasn't been proposed ever in this country in such open, blatant terms. She goes on and on and on about how this is just such an unfair society, this "on your own" business, it leads to inequality, it leads to some having more than others. And the reason some get more than others is that the people have more steal from the others, and it's just not fair, it just isn't right. So what she favors is collectivism. If you study collectivism, communism, socialism, whatever you what to call it, this crap has been around the world, you will find a trail of human misery, economic collapse, and failure in its wake. But she says the government can be the great equalizer, and it can't. In less than 231 years the United States of America has surpassed every population group, every other country, every system of government on earth by unlocking one thing, and that is the vast potential of individual effort, encouraged by freedom.

[mnealtx 0]

I think the telling phrase in your post is "equality of outcomes"... that seems to be exactly what they are trying to guarantee, which is impossible.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,116]

>Chairman Hillary...hehehe

About sums up the level of the author's discourse.

Did you hear Bush is really a "Shrub?" hehehe.

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The Dems are obsessed with equality.

I'll accept that statement as conditionally true if you accept this one; The Republican party is obsessed with themselves. Their motto is, "I got mine; fuck you."

Obviously, neither of the above statements is true.

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[DZJ 0]

Is it better to be obsessed with inequality?

[Richards 0]

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Is it better to be obsessed with inequality?

I suspect he was pushing for some middle ground. That is the problem with this sort of argument. Most of the time when politicians talk equality they mean pandering to special interest groups without even coming close to the idea of equality of opportunity. Anyone who speaks out against it is accused of being anti-equality.

I remember once, the Ottawa police had a disclaimer on a recruiting ad stating "We are not accepting applications from white males". When I voiced my disgust with this to a female freind of mine she said "Oh....so I suppose they should only hire white males while women stay in the kitchen and minorities work as janitors". Classic straw man.

I realize that mistrust between cultures does exist, but are quotas and al these divisive programs that are implemented by politicians trying to woo the special interest group voters really the best way to go? Implementation of divisive knee jerk special interest woo-ing policy is what people like Hillary frequently mean when they say "equality".

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

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This stuff hasn't been proposed ever in this country in such open, blatant terms.

I don't see a single quotation by her in this diastribe - so where's the blatant openness?

You do realize that without her name she'd be a more marginal candidate then Dean was in the last election? Just because she proposes it doesn't mean the Democratic Party will vote for it.

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So what she favors is collectivism. If you study collectivism, communism, socialism, whatever you what to call it, this crap has been around the world, you will find a trail of human misery, economic collapse, and failure in its wake. But she says the government can be the great equalizer,

that's exactly what the government wants. to keep it's people miserable and dependant on them to make things "fair." while they hold all the power and use our tax money to implement the social programs.

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Corporate CEOs will have their paychecks monitored by the public, and they will be open to public challenge.

well I guess this is one thing I can agree with her on...

Classic example of why I feel this way (incase you have not been following Northwest Airlines reemergance from bankruptcy):

BLOOMINGTON, Minn., May 4, 2007 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Leaders of the Northwest Airlines unit of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) today condemned NWA CEO Doug Steenland's decision to reward himself with a $26.6 million bonus during a time when employees have taken 40 percent pay cuts for the next five years in an effort to help the company emerge from bankruptcy.

--Every single employee of that company bent over for that airline, and this is how they are rewarded?

[Andy9o8 2]

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--Every single employee of that company bent over for that airline, and this is how they are rewarded?

Their mistake was they didn't bend over backwards; they bent over forward. Look where they got it.

[Gawain 0]

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Corporate CEOs will have their paychecks monitored by the public, and they will be open to public challenge.

well I guess this is one thing I can agree with her on...

Classic example of why I feel this way (incase you have not been following Northwest Airlines reemergance from bankruptcy):

BLOOMINGTON, Minn., May 4, 2007 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Leaders of the Northwest Airlines unit of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) today condemned NWA CEO Doug Steenland's decision to reward himself with a $26.6 million bonus during a time when employees have taken 40 percent pay cuts for the next five years in an effort to help the company emerge from bankruptcy.

--Every single employee of that company bent over for that airline, and this is how they are rewarded?

Steeland didn't just "decide to reward himself". The board of directors structured his compensation, and the board of directors get voted into their position by the shareholders.

This stuff can be traced back to when President Bill Clinton was in his first term (before the '94 mid-terms). I can't remember what the bill was called, but it eliminated the write offs that corporations could take on CEO/Exec salaries over $1 or $2M/year. The result, stock-option packages which really upped the overall compensation by a huge margin.

Now they're whining about it...they created it.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kallend 2,148]

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Corporate CEOs will have their paychecks monitored by the public, and they will be open to public challenge.

well I guess this is one thing I can agree with her on...

Classic example of why I feel this way (incase you have not been following Northwest Airlines reemergance from bankruptcy):

BLOOMINGTON, Minn., May 4, 2007 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Leaders of the Northwest Airlines unit of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) today condemned NWA CEO Doug Steenland's decision to reward himself with a $26.6 million bonus during a time when employees have taken 40 percent pay cuts for the next five years in an effort to help the company emerge from bankruptcy.

--Every single employee of that company bent over for that airline, and this is how they are rewarded?

Steeland didn't just "decide to reward himself". The board of directors structured his compensation, and the board of directors get voted into their position by the shareholders.

This stuff can be traced back to when President Bill Clinton was in his first term (before the '94 mid-terms). I can't remember what the bill was called, but it eliminated the write offs that corporations could take on CEO/Exec salaries over $1 or $2M/year. The result, stock-option packages which really upped the overall compensation by a huge margin.

Now they're whining about it...they created it.

A bit of a stretch there, don't you think? No law FORCED the directors to come up with these outlandish compensation packages, they simply used a change in the law to get more creative in how they swindle stockholders out of their money.

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[Andy9o8 2]

In a free-market economy, I can reconcile myself to CEOs getting huge compensation for when the company does well. That's what they're hired for. But I do have a huge problem with top corporate execs getting massive compensation when the company's profits are in the toilet and everyone else outside the boardroom (read: employees and shareholders) are suffering. Share the wealth? Fine. But the top guys should share the pain, too.

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A bit of a stretch there, don't you think? No law FORCED the directors to come up with these outlandish compensation packages, they simply used a change in the law to get more creative in how they swindle stockholders out of their money.

I don't mean to say that the law forced the issue, but government intervention (in a sense) did. I'm not complaining about it. If anything, it forces the executive compensation to be more directly tied into the performance of the company.

The left loves to disparage one "class" versus another "class".

Redistribution of wealth doesn't work.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[mnealtx 0]

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Redistribution of wealth doesn't work.

Sure it does...it keeps the Dem's major voting bloc on the dole and grateful...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rushmc 23]

Their motto is, "I got mine; fuck you."

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This seems to indicate you worry too much about what the other person has and you don't!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I never see libs or democrats complaining about how much money show-biz types and athletes get. $40 Million for a single movie? $40 Million for a whateverball contract?

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[kallend 2,148]

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A bit of a stretch there, don't you think? No law FORCED the directors to come up with these outlandish compensation packages, they simply used a change in the law to get more creative in how they swindle stockholders out of their money.

I don't mean to say that the law forced the issue, but government intervention (in a sense) did. I'm not complaining about it. If anything, it forces the executive compensation to be more directly tied into the performance of the company.

The left loves to disparage one "class" versus another "class".

Redistribution of wealth doesn't work.

The greatest redistribution going on here is moving $millions in stockholder assets to the overpaid CEO.

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[kallend 2,148]

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I never see libs or democrats complaining about how much money show-biz types and athletes get. $40 Million for a single movie? $40 Million for a whateverball contract?

mh
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OK, now you hear it. Athletes and TV personalities are way overpaid, and nurses, cops, firemen and social workers are way underpaid.

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I never see libs or democrats complaining about how much money show-biz types and athletes get. $40 Million for a single movie? $40 Million for a whateverball contract?

You should see the money that Speaker Pelosi's business interests make...you think CEOs make a lot of money!! WOW!!

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kallend 2,148]

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I never see libs or democrats complaining about how much money show-biz types and athletes get. $40 Million for a single movie? $40 Million for a whateverball contract?

You should see the money that Speaker Pelosi's business interests make...you think CEOs make a lot of money!! WOW!!

Much as you clearly despise her, she is doing far more for the country than Peyton Manning or Britney Spears.

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I never see libs or democrats complaining about how much money show-biz types and athletes get. $40 Million for a single movie? $40 Million for a whateverball contract?

You should see the money that Speaker Pelosi's business interests make...you think CEOs make a lot of money!! WOW!!

Much as you clearly despise her, she is doing far more for the country than Peyton Manning or Britney Spears.

I don't despise her, I despise her politics and I have been spot-on with regards to her inability to lead her caucus in the House. Other than that, I won't dispute your point too much, except to point out that the Speakers' fortune rests mostly with holdings in Microsoft and AT&T, and property in San Francisco, and Marin County and a small interest in a restaurant chain.

In fact, I submit that Britney Spears' recording, touring etc, has a larger economic impact than the Speakers.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[billvon 3,116]

>I never see libs or democrats complaining about how much money
>show-biz types and athletes get.

I think left-wingers don't much care as long as they pay their taxes. Right wingers have more of a love-hate relationship with them. Either they are telling them to "shut up and sing" and sending them death threats, or they are electing them president.

[Channman 2]

In fact, I submit that Britney Spears' recording, touring etc, has a larger economic impact than the Speakers.

This nation has been blessed with individuals who have a dream mixed with great passion who have spent themselves in a worthy cause to do great things. Few politician have reconized the importants of providing policy and regulations that would incourage others to build on their dreams and safe guards to protect the consumers, then get the hell out of the way.

[kallend 2,148]

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In fact, I submit that Britney Spears' recording, touring etc, has a larger economic impact than the Speakers.

This nation has been blessed with individuals who have a dream mixed with great passion who have spent themselves in a worthy cause to do great things. .

I hope you are not including Britney in this set.

It is particularly blinkered to equate contribution to the nation with economic impact. Would you consider a Medal of Honor recipient less worthy than Britney because he's made less money?

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