Religion: Why do you care?

[jakee 1,595]

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What other planets are capable of sustaining life? [Wink]

Chalk up NCclimber to those who cannot grasp the distinction.

Since you seem to think you're so smart, how about you explaining to me.

Can you honestly not see why it is arrogant to state that earth is the only planet to have life, when the only planets we have ever investigated (and not very well at that) are the ones in our own solar system?

Do you honestly not see why it is arrogant to discount the trillions of other planets out their that we haven't been able to investigate?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Royd 0]

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That is why you are making the arrogant statement by saying Earth is the only planet in the universe capable of sustaining life. It is an utterly unsupportable assertion.

You, on the one hand, say that there is no God and dare us to prove you wrong. We can't.

I challenge you to prove that Earth is not the only planet in the universe that can support life. You can't.

I come as close to proving my argument as you do.

So, I'll believe, by faith, that everything was created with a set purpose in mind, and you can believe, by faith, that everything, including yourself, is nothing more than a huge cosmic accident. Sort of like a homeless guy with no shoes, stubbing his toe on the largest gold nugget in the world.

[NCclimber 0]

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What other planets are capable of sustaining life? [Wink]

Chalk up NCclimber to those who cannot grasp the distinction.

Since you seem to think you're so smart, how about you explaining to me.

Can you honestly not see why it is arrogant to state that earth is the only planet to have life, when the only planets we have ever investigated (and not very well at that) are the ones in our own solar system?

Do you honestly not see why it is arrogant to discount the trillions of other planets out their that we haven't been able to investigate?

Was that an explanation of the distinction you mentioned? I must have missed it... what... with all those questions and such.

[JackC 0]

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You, on the one hand, say that there is no God and dare us to prove you wrong. We can't.

I challenge you to prove that Earth is not the only planet in the universe that can support life. You can't.

Erm no.

You say there is a god, I say prove it.

You say this is the only planet capable of supporting life, I say prove it.

You're making the claims here.

[jakee 1,595]

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Was that an explanation of the distinction you mentioned? I must have missed it... what... with all those questions and such.

The explanation of the distinction was in the fucking post you replied to.

If you don't understand it, that is not my problem.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[NCclimber 0]

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You, on the one hand, say that there is no God and dare us to prove you wrong. We can't.

I challenge you to prove that Earth is not the only planet in the universe that can support life. You can't.

Erm no.

You say there is a god, I say prove it.

You say this is the only planet capable of supporting life, I say prove it.

You're making the claims here.

Right about his making the claims, but I think his point cuts both ways - proving God is on par with proving life on other planets or how the Universe began or how life on this planet began. All require a high degree of faith.

[NCclimber 0]

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Was that an explanation of the distinction you mentioned? I must have missed it... what... with all those questions and such.

The explanation of the distinction was in the fucking post you replied to.

If you don't understand it, that is not my problem.

Temper, temper.

In the future, I'll treat your questions as explanations. If nothing else, it'll avoid your rather nasty replies.

[jakee 1,595]

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Right about his making the claims, but I think his point cuts both ways - proving God is on par with proving life on other planets or how the Universe began or how life on this planet began. All require a high degree of faith. [Wink]

Uhh, only if you completely mangle the definition of 'Prove'

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,595]

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Was that an explanation of the distinction you mentioned? I must have missed it... what... with all those questions and such.

The explanation of the distinction was in the fucking post you replied to.

If you don't understand it, that is not my problem.

Temper, temper.

In the future, I'll treat your questions as explanations. If nothing else, it'll avoid your rather nasty replies.

This is the explanation.

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One person (you) says "I don't know all the facts but I am going to make a solid statement anyway."

Another person (the rest of us) says "I don't know all the facts so I am going to hold off judgement on the issue."

Does it look anything like a fucking question to you?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[JackC 0]

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Right about his making the claims, but I think his point cuts both ways - proving God is on par with proving life on other planets or how the Universe began or how life on this planet began. All require a high degree of faith.

How many people do you know who live their life according to the Drake equation? How many people try to force big bang morality onto others? Cosmology doesn't tell you your going to hell because you didn't suck up to the right theory.

It only takes faith to believe in something if you don't have any evidence. Big bang cosmology and evolutionary biology both have evidence in the form of cold, hard, empirical facts, backed up by testable theories that make real, accurate predictions. Religion has a book.

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Right about his making the claims, but I think his point cuts both ways - proving God is on par with proving life on other planets or how the Universe began or how life on this planet began. All require a high degree of faith. [Wink]

Uhh, only if you completely mangle the definition of 'Prove'

Sure thing, sport. How about to explain how life began on Earth. Please provide proof.

[NCclimber 0]

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Was that an explanation of the distinction you mentioned? I must have missed it... what... with all those questions and such.

The explanation of the distinction was in the fucking post you replied to.

If you don't understand it, that is not my problem.

Temper, temper.

In the future, I'll treat your questions as explanations. If nothing else, it'll avoid your rather nasty replies.

This is the explanation.

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One person (you) says "I don't know all the facts but I am going to make a solid statement anyway."

Another person (the rest of us) says "I don't know all the facts so I am going to hold off judgement on the issue."

Does it look anything like a fucking question to you?

Of course, that wasn't your reply to "Since you seem to think you're so smart, how about you explaining to me."

Silly me - actually considering you response, instead of reading your mind and knowing you meant in a previous reply.

And what's with all the profanity? It's so unseemly.

[NCclimber 0]

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Right about his making the claims, but I think his point cuts both ways - proving God is on par with proving life on other planets or how the Universe began or how life on this planet began. All require a high degree of faith.

How many people do you know who live their life according to the Drake equation? How many people try to force big bang morality onto others? Cosmology doesn't tell you your going to hell because you didn't suck up to the right theory.

Is this a Red Herring?

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It only takes faith to believe in something if you don't have any evidence. Big bang cosmology and evolutionary biology both have evidence in the form of cold, hard, empirical facts, backed up by testable theories that make real, accurate predictions. Religion has a book.

Oh. Okay. How did life being on this planet?
What caused the Big Bang?

Please provide proof.

[jakee 1,595]

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Sure thing, sport. How about to explain how life began on Earth. Please provide proof. [Cool]

As I thought, sorely mistaken on the definition of proof.

Faith cannot help prove any of the things you mentioned on your list. Proof requires evidence.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,595]

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Of course, that wasn't your reply to "Since you seem to think you're so smart, how about you explaining to me."

Because, at the time, I didn't feel like repeating myself.

Being completely unable to recollect the history of a conversation is kind of a running theme of yours, one would think you were going out of your way to be adversarial.

And I just happen to like saying fuck.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[JackC 0]

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How many people do you know who live their life according to the Drake equation? How many people try to force big bang morality onto others? Cosmology doesn't tell you your going to hell because you didn't suck up to the right theory.

Is this a Red Herring?

No. It illustrates that faith in religion doesn't have the same consequences as "faith" in cosmology so Royd's point is of limited value.

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Oh. Okay. How did life being on this planet?
What caused the Big Bang?

Please provide proof.

There is no proof, you already know that. But there is evidence and you know that too. But I think your more interested in word games than reading any of it.

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Of course, that wasn't your reply to "Since you seem to think you're so smart, how about you explaining to me."

Because, at the time, I didn't feel like repeating myself.

Careful you don't hit the back of your head.

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Being completely unable to recollect the history of a conversation is kind of a running theme of yours, one would think you were going out of your way to be adversarial.

If you say so. Of course, most people actually reference an old post (by reposting or mentioning it) if they are bringing it back up.... instead of expecting readers to intuitively know it's being addressed in the current post.

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Oh. Okay. How did life being on this planet?
What caused the Big Bang?

Please provide proof.

There is no proof, you already know that. But there is evidence and you know that too. But I think your more interested in word games than reading any of it.

No. I'm just trying to point out that some of the things you believe in require a whole lot of filling in of the blanks. In other words - faith.

Unfortunately, some people are so caught up in their world/universal view being right, they're unwilling to admit there is a difference (sometimes a major one) between the most plausible theory and what actually happened.

[Amazon 7]

Hey.. ever thought about filling out your profile there SPORT....

Or do you want to always be our own personal stalker/troll on these forums.

What do YOU have to hide

[jakee 1,595]

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If you say so. Of course, most people actually reference an old post (by reposting or mentioning it) if they are bringing it back up.... instead of expecting readers to intuitively know it's being addressed in the current post.

Oh well, how silly of me to expect you to realise that the explanation I wrote to Royd, that you replied to, was in fact the explanation I referred you to.

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Unfortunately, some people are so caught up in their world/universal view being right, they're unwilling to admit there is a difference (sometimes a major one) between the most plausible theory and what actually happened.

Is a difference? How could you possibly know that there is a difference? Good scientists will always admit that their current theories may be wrong - how exactly do you claim to know that they are majorly wrong?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[penniless 0]

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Hey.. ever thought about filling out your profile there SPORT....

Or do you want to always be our own personal stalker/troll on these forums.

What do YOU have to hide

You could always ignore the nameless troll. I suggest everyone ignore trolls. It would make this a more pleasant place.

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Oh. Okay. How did life being on this planet?
What caused the Big Bang?

Please provide proof.

There is no proof, you already know that. But there is evidence and you know that too. But I think your more interested in word games than reading any of it.
No. I'm just trying to point out that some of the things you believe in require a whole lot of filling in of the blanks. In other words - faith. Wink

Unfortunately, some people are so caught up in their world/universal view being right, they're unwilling to admit there is a difference (sometimes a major one) between the most plausible theory and what actually happened.

For fucks sake cut it out you lot will ya?

The earth is inhabitable because it is a certain distance from the sun which is one of the many stars in the universe. Everything on this earth came from either the stuff that the sun is made out of or pieces of stuff flying through the universe.

Other stars have planets we know that much and there are potentially trillions of stars.

You can therefore realistically conclude that is it is feasible for other planets to contain life.

the fact that it is probable or not could be argued away until you are maggot food! (I liked that one)

This thread is not an astronomy class it is a question of WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT OTHERS THINK

Stick to the subject please i have spilled my beans I would appreciate if others would do the same so we can get on and amend our beliefs to what it is that we have learned.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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If you say so. Of course, most people actually reference an old post (by reposting or mentioning it) if they are bringing it back up.... instead of expecting readers to intuitively know it's being addressed in the current post.

Oh well, how silly of me to expect you to realise that the explanation I wrote to Royd, that you replied to, was in fact the explanation I referred you to.

But you refer me to it until a few posts later. Your initial reply was quite different. Sorry I didn't read more into it.

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Unfortunately, some people are so caught up in their world/universal view being right, they're unwilling to admit there is a difference (sometimes a major one) between the most plausible theory and what actually happened.

Is a difference?

Yes. A difference.

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How could you possibly know that there is a difference?

Seems pretty obvious to me. Oh yeah, I saw the following said on TV "The short answer is we don't really know how life originated on this planet. There have been a variety of experiments that tell us some possible roads, but we remain in substantial ignorance.

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Good scientists will always admit that their current theories may be wrong - how exactly do you claim to know that they are majorly wrong?

I never said they were majorly wrong.

Is this the counter to my intuitively knowing what you mean - by you intuitively knowing what I'm thinking even if I never say anything along those lines?

I'm trying to keep up. Really, I am.

[billvon 3,116]

>proving God is on par with proving life on other planets or how
>the Universe began or how life on this planet began. All require a high
>degree of faith.

Nope. Believing NOW that there is certainly life on other planets requires faith. Once we find indigenous life on other planets (which is likely) then it will be another point of fact, like the composition of our atmosphere or the fact that most people have livers.

If we ever proved that there was a measurable, observable galactic intelligence that created us and turns people into pillars of salt, religion would quickly become science. Until that happens, it is faith, pure and simple.

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>proving God is on par with proving life on other planets or how
>the Universe began or how life on this planet began. All require a high
>degree of faith.

Nope. Believing NOW that there is certainly life on other planets requires faith.

Exactly.

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Once we find indigenous life on other planets (which is likely) then it will be another point of fact, like the composition of our atmosphere or the fact that most people have livers.

Or that it's possible to turn lead into gold.... or was that straw into gold?

No... wait...