WTF is *wrong* with people???

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Just as we have people who think it's cruel and unjust to take a brutal psychopath's gun away, but it's fine to kill innocent Iraqi kids.

Name three.

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>Name three.

Name three people who think it's OK to kill innocent unborn kids.

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>Name three.

Name three people who think it's OK to kill innocent unborn kids.

Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Bill Richardson.

Or how about - Nancy Northup, Dian Harrison, Priscilla Smith and Douglas Johnson.

Your turn.

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>Hillary Clinton

I've heard her talk on the subject. She does NOT think it's OK to kill innocent unborn kids. She is, however, in favor of women choosing on their own whether to carry their fetus to term.

Try again! You likely won't find anyone who thinks it's perfectly OK to kill innocent kids, just as I won't find anyone who thinks it's perfectly OK for psychopaths to own guns. You posted a silly indefensible statement designed to rile people up, I posted a silly indefensible statement to counter it.

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>Hillary Clinton

I've heard her talk on the subject. She does NOT think it's OK to kill innocent unborn kids. She is, however, in favor of women choosing on their own whether to carry their fetus to term.

Try again! You likely won't find anyone who thinks it's perfectly OK to kill innocent kids, just as I won't find anyone who thinks it's perfectly OK for psychopaths to own guns. You posted a silly indefensible statement designed to rile people up, I posted a silly indefensible statement to counter it.

Right. Abortion - it's only about the woman. Let's keep the discussion away from what is actually being done, so we can act like there is nothing wrong with killing unborn babies. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Smokers use a similar rationale all the way up until they're diagnosed with a terminal disease.

DURR

Here's a lovely quote:

Margaret Sanger - "The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

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Those folks are just screwed-up!!!

But they are the ones running the country.... last time I checked

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Sorry, maybe it's too "liberal" of me but I have a tendency to ask "why" when I hear about extreme actions. Sometimes I'm wrong but it's a habit that makes me do things like go read bin Laden's open letter to the US instead of just listening and agreeing with my President when he says dumb shit like "they attacked us because they hate freedom".

Okay, I have a whole bunch of why questions now (on a tangent)...Why, after what you certainly know what he did, do you care about anything bin Laden has to say? Why is it so important to expend that much energy to put any measure of care to it? Why do you allow mere political inconveniences to discard what your nation's leadership has to say so easily?

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Why do you think dishonoring the Memorials of fallen soldiers is the same as setting an SUV on fire? One statement is pretty clear, the other is not, therefore your desire to know why supersedes your sense of "good manners"?

I don't know if you think you're being pragmatic about it, but you're not. In essence, your desire to know why could be drawn as a desire to see more of this crap.

"Oh look, they did it again! I wonder what they're still trying to convey?"

The "why" is not usually considered in a crime. If a Pro-Lifer kills a doctor, society does not care why. Society cares more about, who, what, where, when and how. The why is irrelevant.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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You likely won't find anyone who thinks it's perfectly OK to kill innocent kids . . .

Other than Planned Parenthood employees, you might be sort of right.

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Sorry, maybe it's too "liberal" of me but I have a tendency to ask "why" when I hear about extreme actions. Sometimes I'm wrong but it's a habit that makes me do things like go read bin Laden's open letter to the US instead of just listening and agreeing with my President when he says dumb shit like "they attacked us because they hate freedom".

Sure, and generally speaking I like to find out why things happen as well. In this case it's just a balance of probability thing. When I see a burned out SUV I don't think about eco terrorists, I think "Oh look, the joyriders have been out again" because that is almost always what has happened. When I hear about desecrated graves and memorials I don't think about which political groups might be behind it I think about dumbass gangs of teenage thugs, because that is generally what has happened.

Oh BTW, half of Bin Ladens letter is bitching about freedom in the US! It may be a trite soundbite, but he does actually hate freedom

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I think Planned Parenthood folks see a difference between a few-week fetus and a kid. I do.

Among other things, if I miss a period and then have a heavy one (often a sign of an early miscarriage), I don't have a funeral.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Sorry, maybe it's too "liberal" of me but I have a tendency to ask "why" when I hear about extreme actions. Sometimes I'm wrong but it's a habit that makes me do things like go read bin Laden's open letter to the US instead of just listening and agreeing with my President when he says dumb shit like "they attacked us because they hate freedom".

Okay, I have a whole bunch of why questions now (on a tangent)...Why, after what you certainly know what he did, do you care about anything bin Laden has to say? Why is it so important to expend that much energy to put any measure of care to it?

Why would you NOT want to know why someone attacked you?!?!?!?!?! Ignoring the source of the problem does nothing to solve it (even though addressing it will get you kicked out of the Presidential race. Ask Ron Paul). If flies keep bugging you what's the best way to deal with them? Just keep swatting at them and killing them or get off your ass, look around and then remove the dead carcass that's lying right behind you? (Of course if you've built your shelter out of dead carcasses then you really can't bitch when flies start bugging you.)

Why do you allow mere political inconveniences to discard what your nation's leadership has to say so easily?
I'm not in the military and I haven't sworn to obey orders from the Military's commander in chief. So I have the liberty to question what he says when it fails any semblance of a logic test. Saying that they attacked us because "they hate freedom" is just plain stupid. And I always question my leadership, especially when they have a recorded history of agenda and deceit.

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Why do you think dishonoring the Memorials of fallen soldiers is the same as setting an SUV on fire? One statement is pretty clear, the other is not, therefore your desire to know why supersedes your sense of "good manners"?

Both are political statements made symbolically in a manner that ultimately backfires. And for each, if I had the chance I would ask both parties, "what the hell were you thinking" as I turned them in to the police, volunteered to testify against them, and applauded when they were convicted.

I don't know if you think you're being pragmatic about it, but you're not. In essence, your desire to know why could be drawn as a desire to see more of this crap.

That makes as much sense as "they attacked us because they hate freedom". I know that you're pissed off at them for the desecration of the military grave sites but simply because I propose a potential rationale for the actions doesn't mean that I condone them.

"Oh look, they did it again! I wonder what they're still trying to convey?"

The "why" is not usually considered in a crime. If a Pro-Lifer kills a doctor, society does not care why. Society cares more about, who, what, where, when and how. The why is irrelevant.

The "why" is never irrelevant (unless you're taking orders from a superior officer). If you ignore the "why" then you're destined to treat symptoms instead of fixing the problem. Admittedly, in many cases, the "why" won't have any effect on the outcome but it's still important to understand.

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I think Planned Parenthood folks see a difference between a few-week fetus and a kid. I do.

Among other things, if I miss a period and then have a heavy one (often a sign of an early miscarriage), I don't have a funeral.

Wendy W.

Funny how this goes from unborn baby to unborn kid to kid. It's not like anyone's trying to change the subject or anything.

Love the missed period / miscarriage analogy. Too bad it has nothing to do with intentionally terminating pregnancies.

Those abortion/ultrasound bills are creating quite a stir. Guess the pro-choice folks don't want pregnant women to actually see what/who they are aborting. It's just a standard medical procedure... nothing more.

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Oh BTW, half of Bin Ladens letter is bitching about freedom in the US! It may be a trite soundbite, but he does actually hate freedom

Yea, in Q2-"What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?", he does bitch about what he perceives as our immorality and other aspects of our life that he doesn't approve of. But those aren't the reasons that he gives for attacking us which are addressed in Q1, "Why are we fighting and opposing you?".
But you're right. That message is there. And it's another example of how the Bush administration cherry picks and misrepresents subtexts to bolster their argument while ignoring the obvious and clearly stated rationale that they don't want Americans to even consider bringing in to the national discourse.
For those others who haven't read it:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html

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Funny how this goes from unborn baby to unborn kid to kid. It's not like anyone's trying to change the subject or anything.

Love the missed period / miscarriage analogy. Too bad it has nothing to do with intentionally terminating pregnancies.

Those abortion/ultrasound bills are creating quite a stir. Guess the pro-choice folks don't want pregnant women to actually see what/who they are aborting. It's just a standard medical procedure... nothing more.

"unborn baby" is a single term, coined by anti-abortion folks, for any of the stages of gestational development. If one doesn't believe that person-ness is established until sometime closer to viability, then the terminology matters. But somehow I think the anti-abortion folks understand that, too.

Maybe I was careless in going all the way to "kid" from "unborn baby." But "unborn baby" is really to make the connection from what an embryo or fetus is now, to what it will probably end up as if carried to term.

If abortion should be a crime because it kills a human being, why is that same human being, when miscarried, not treated to the same respect that a post-birth human being is? Maybe it's not exactly the same thing.

As far as the ultrasound thing? That's an emotional appeal.

What it really boils down to is that some people believe, in their hearts, that there is a point after conception at which an embryo or fetus acquires more characteristics of what differentiates humans from other creatures. There are others who believe, just as honestly and in their hearts, that from conception on, it's a human being, with a personality all its own.

Wendy W.

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Those abortion/ultrasound bills are creating quite a stir. Guess the pro-choice folks don't want pregnant women to actually see what/who they are aborting. It's just a standard medical procedure... nothing more.

Who's going to pay the bill for the mandatory medical procedure? Taxpayers? That aside, I find it interesting that small, unintrusive gov't types would think that government should be allowed to intervene between a Dr and his/her patient. I wonder if that will change when government decides that there are too many people here and that abortions should be mandatory.
Hey, what's your take on forcing Americans to look at these pictures before they vote?
edit: or gas up their cars?
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm

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Those abortion/ultrasound bills are creating quite a stir. Guess the pro-choice folks don't want pregnant women to actually see what/who they are aborting. It's just a standard medical procedure... nothing more.

Who's going to pay the bill for the mandatory medical procedure? Taxpayers?

I guess whoever is paying for the abortion.

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That aside, I find it interesting that small, unintrusive gov't types would think that government should be allowed to intervene between a Dr and his/her patient.

What are you talking about?

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I wonder if that will change when government decides that there are too many people here and that abortions should be mandatory.

That will happen shortly the Bush regime declares martial law and takes away most, if not all, of our civil rights.

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Who's going to pay the bill for the mandatory medical procedure? Taxpayers?

I guess whoever is paying for the abortion.

Unfunded mandate?

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That aside, I find it interesting that small, unintrusive gov't types would think that government should be allowed to intervene between a Dr and his/her patient.

What are you talking about?

The same thing you're talking about, gov't intervention in personal medical matters where the gov't gets the final say instead of the Dr. or patient

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I wonder if that will change when government decides that there are too many people here and that abortions should be mandatory.

That will happen shortly the Bush regime declares martial law and takes away most, if not all, of our civil rights.

The question, as well as the one after it that you also didn't address, is still there if you want to answer it.

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Who's going to pay the bill for the mandatory medical procedure? Taxpayers?

I guess whoever is paying for the abortion.

Unfunded mandate?

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That aside, I find it interesting that small, unintrusive gov't types would think that government should be allowed to intervene between a Dr and his/her patient.

What are you talking about?

The same thing you're talking about, gov't intervention in personal medical matters where the gov't gets the final say instead of the Dr. or patient

I'm talking about the gov't having the final say? How'd you get that?

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I wonder if that will change when government decides that there are too many people here and that abortions should be mandatory.

That will happen shortly the Bush regime declares martial law and takes away most, if not all, of our civil rights.

I notice you skipped over this one. Did you realize the silliness of US gov't mandated abortions?

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The question, as well as the one after it that you also didn't address, is still there if you want to answer it.

WTF? Are you equating a woman's personal decision to terminate the life on an unborn within her body with collateral damage (not that the losses aren't tragic) of our military policy.

Oh yeah... how has the deaths of those Irani and Afghani children effected gas prices?

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Gee anyone want to track down the price of gas before Dick and George started off on their EXCELLENT ADVENTURE?????


I seem to remember it being about half of what it is now.. after the whole world has the jitters about twhat the fuck the incompetents will do next.

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Gee anyone want to track down the price of gas before Dick and George started off on their EXCELLENT ADVENTURE?????

I seem to remember it being about half of what it is now.. after the whole world has the jitters about twhat the fuck the incompetents will do next.

Are you saying Dick and George's Excellent Adventure is the reason gas prices have doubled?

If so, I'd love to read your rationale. LOL

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Ever heard of the Commodities markets.. and how they fluctuate based on..RUMORS and actual events worldwide..attacks on oil workers in the Niger Delta.... or the jitters that occur when a oil pipeline is blown up ..... or there is an attack on an offshore oil platform by insurgents......or.. you name it... any thing that get the investors nervous has a ripple effect on the markets....

The Iraq war has been a HUGE....jittter to the world oil markets....

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Are you equating a woman's personal decision to terminate the life on an unborn within her body with collateral damage (not that the losses aren't tragic) of our military policy.

In one instance the person is very aware of and most likely struggling very hard with the reality of the consequences of their decision. In the other they're probably just reading an ad for a slurpee

Oh yeah... how has the deaths of those Irani and Afghani children effected gas prices?

I think you meant "profits" and "Iraqi". No need to get ahead of things

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Those abortion/ultrasound bills are creating quite a stir. Guess the pro-choice folks don't want pregnant women to actually see what/who they are aborting. It's just a standard medical procedure... nothing more.

Should such bills be followed by similar legislation requiring that all packages of meat bear a photograph of that specific animal frolicking on the range the day before it was killed?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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Ever heard of the Commodities markets.. and how they fluctuate based on..RUMORS and actual events worldwide..attacks on oil workers in the Niger Delta.... or the jitters that occur when a oil pipeline is blown up ..... or there is an attack on an offshore oil platform by insurgents......or.. you name it... any thing that get the investors nervous has a ripple effect on the markets....

The Iraq war has been a HUGE....jittter to the world oil markets....

The price of crude dropped $1.00 in the last 30 minutes. I guess that means we're winning the war.

From August of '06 to Jan. '07 the price of crude fell by 35%. Was it caused by our activities in Iraq?