zagijimzoo 0 #1 May 17, 2007 You, the people, have the power! http://www.nationalinitiative.us/index.htm "The United States of America is not, in fact, a democracy. In a democracy, the people are the government. Today, we elect people to run the government for us. The people we elect do not, for the most part, run the country in the interest of the people, they run it in the interest of themselves. We are led to believe that we must put our trust in these people. We, the people, do not have the power to create laws in our interest. This leads to an extreme imbalance of power in the government versus the people. To solve these problems and create a true balance of power, The Democracy Foundation has created a plan named the National Initiative for Democracy." "The National Initiative for Democracy includes both a proposed Democracy Amendment to the United States Constitution, which asserts the People's right and power to make laws using ballot initiatives, and the Democracy Act, a proposed federal statute which establishes legislative procedures and an administrative agency, the Electoral Trust, to create a Legislature of the People, operating nationally and in every state and local government jurisdiction of the United States. We, the People will have an opportunity to vote on this National Initiative in a national election conducted by the nonprofit corporation Philadelphia II." http://philadelphiaii.org/ "The National Initiative has been developed and refined over the past decade by former Senator Mike Gravel (D. Alaska, 1969 - 1981) and his colleagues. The Democracy Foundation, a nonprofit 501 c 3 organization, is sponsoring the National Initiative. Philadelphia II, a separate nonprofit organization, is conducting an election on National Initiative at votep2.us, giving the people the opportunity to vote for and enact the National Initiative into law. Both are organizations are led by Senator Gravel." Sen. Mike Gravel Discusses National Initiative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOKTyOvmGOs http://www.gravel2008.us/ Mike Gravel for President! Straightening out the Media: This is good : ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aKHakMfV5s&mode=related&search= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #2 May 17, 2007 All very commendable, but it's too idealistic. I suspect that a true balance of power would be nigh on impossible. I also suspect it would turn into an almighty gangfuck. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 May 17, 2007 Quote The United States of America is not, in fact, a democracy. I weep for the education system of the United States.... Do they not teach American Government in Jr. High anymore???Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #4 May 17, 2007 Quote Quote The United States of America is not, in fact, a democracy. I weep for the education system of the United States.... Do they not teach American Government in Jr. High anymore??? If you think the US is a democracy you have a pretty bad concept of democracy... and also you are wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 May 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote The United States of America is not, in fact, a democracy. I weep for the education system of the United States.... Do they not teach American Government in Jr. High anymore??? If you think the US is a democracy you have a pretty bad concept of democracy... and also you are wrong. Um, yeah...that was the point... I thought about a more snarky answer to the OP like "No shit? When did that happen?" but figured that was a bit over the line. You've obviously not read several of my posts where I have corrected people stating the US is a democracy...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #6 May 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote The United States of America is not, in fact, a democracy. I weep for the education system of the United States.... Do they not teach American Government in Jr. High anymore??? If you think the US is a democracy you have a pretty bad concept of democracy... and also you are wrong. Um, yeah...that was the point... I thought about a more snarky answer to the OP like "No shit? When did that happen?" but figured that was a bit over the line. You've obviously not read several of my posts where I have corrected people stating the US is a democracy... I read it to mean the opposite. Yes good work, A+ cynicism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #7 May 19, 2007 His answer was not cynic, it's the truth. We were all taught how the electoral college work,how the govt idealically works/should work, in junior high, high school, and had a battle of semantics and ideology in college. Lots of people were not paying attention in any of these schools. Hell, even our Pledge tells us what type of Gov't we have. It's not cynical believing the U.S. is not a true democracy, it's fact. And always was taught as fact. Some people didn't want anything to do with education when they were young and when this information finally got through their heads many years after most other people, it became a sort of conspiracy and they wrongfully think that everybody else was in the dark. This "late-to-get-the-punchline" phenomenon is one of the larger SC subject generators. . .and helps fill consiracy theory groups at one extreme; makes one uninformed at another._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
