The 26 most common climate myths and misconceptions

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462

Interesting read, and many of these 26 are thrown around a lot in this forum whenever the topic comes up.

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[billvon 3,119]

Good overview of the current arguments going on.

[Gawain 0]

Just a couple observations, as they cover the arguments, but they dismiss real arguments as myths, which seems irresponsible to me.

I like this "myth"...

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Climate myths: They predicted global cooling in the 1970s

to which they replied to their own heading:

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Indeed they did.

What they fail to mention in their little summary is that back in the 70s, when these predictions were being floated, they were citing Sunspot activity as the likely cause (http://www.junkscience.com/mar06/Time_AnotherIceAge_June241974.pdf).

Then there's this one:

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Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans

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No one denies our star's central role in determining how warm our planet is.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[quade 4]

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to which they state:

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No one denies our star's central role in determining how warm our planet is.

Which is, factually correct. By and large, the planet IS warmed by the Sun. Take away the Sun and all life on this planet ceases to exist, so it IS, in fact, THE major contributor of all energy on the planet.

That said, that's not what we're talking about here.

Think about it this way, you have a house and it has a heating system. There is no thermostat. The heat is simply turned ON and continuously burns. Minor fluctuations of gas pressure make your house -slightly- warmer on some days and -slightly- cooler on others.

One day you get the idea that you should put up insulation. Less heat leaks out and your house warms.

The heater is still the main source of heat and it still varies -slightly- over time due to pressure changes and whatnot, but it is the insulation that made your house warmer than it was before.

Now lets say the house is getting too warm to live in and you can't turn the heater off; what are you going to do?

Are you going to blame the heater and hope you don't die or are you going to try to limit the amount of insulation?

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[narcimund 0]

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Are you going to blame the heater and hope you don't die or are you going to try to limit the amount of insulation?

More than likely you're going to do several things in this order:

A) Deny it's getting warmer
B) Admit it's getting warmer but deny there is any insulation
C) Admit there is insulation but deny it's insulating
D) Admit that it's insulating but deny you can do anything about it
E) Admit you could do something about it but point out the earth was once molten and everything turned out ok in the end
F) Melt.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[vortexring 0]

Quality.

Perhaps the best thing you'll do prior to melting is realise nobody really worked out the answer because too much self-interest agenda's swung into operation, clouding up the entire issues.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[Gawain 0]

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to which they state:

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No one denies our star's central role in determining how warm our planet is.

Which is, factually correct. By and large, the planet IS warmed by the Sun. Take away the Sun and all life on this planet ceases to exist, so it IS, in fact, THE major contributor of all energy on the planet.

You're one of the first from that side of the aisle to agree with the "sun" factor.

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That said, that's not what we're talking about here.

Yes it is. The OP posts a list of "myths" and in fact, they aren't myths. They are if you're touting the GW-alarm agenda, and that's exactly what all of it is. This list is simply a means to try and shut the argument down, "That's a myth!!" It's a whole new way to try and discredit one side.

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Are you going to blame the heater and hope you don't die or are you going to try to limit the amount of insulation?

In your "smaller" example, it makes sense. However, a slight change in the sun causes changes on a macro scale.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Royd 0]

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Now lets say the house is getting too warm to live in and you can't turn the heater off; what are you going to do?

Are you going to blame the heater and hope you don't die or are you going to try to limit the amount of insulation?

So, according to your myth, there is never 12 hr. of darkness that prevents the heat from building up. And your house has no windows or doors which can be opened to allow the heat to dissapate.

Maybe there's just someone with a victim's mentality living in the house who just sits there and says,"Damn, it's getting hot in here."

[pirana 0]

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Now lets say the house is getting too warm to live in and you can't turn the heater off; what are you going to do?

Are you going to blame the heater and hope you don't die or are you going to try to limit the amount of insulation?

So, according to your myth, there is never 12 hr. of darkness that prevents the heat from building up. And your house has no windows or doors which can be opened to allow the heat to dissapate.

Maybe there's just someone with a victim's mentality living in the house who just sits there and says,"Damn, it's getting hot in here."

Those are static factors and do not influence the validity of the analogy or related modeling.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[rushmc 23]

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Are you going to blame the heater and hope you don't die or are you going to try to limit the amount of insulation?

More than likely you're going to do several things in this order:

A) Deny it's getting warmer
Nope, it is getting warmer
B) Admit it's getting warmer but deny there is any insulation
Nope, got to have insulation to keep the heat in
C) Admit there is insulation but deny it's insulating
Now this makes sense
D) Admit that it's insulating but deny you can do anything about it
it is what it is
E) Admit you could do something about it but point out the earth was once molten and everything turned out ok in the end
Or admit that the climate cycles and that the GW alarmists are either pushing thier eco morality on the rest of us or large world organizations are looking for ways to grag money!


F) Melt.

Any thing else?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Quality.

Perhaps the best thing you'll do prior to melting is realise nobody really worked out the answer because too much self-interest agenda's swung into operation, clouding up the entire issues.

Exactly, but one had better figure out WHICH side is working an agenda for what reasons!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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Quality.

Perhaps the best thing you'll do prior to melting is realise nobody really worked out the answer because too much self-interest agenda's swung into operation, clouding up the entire issues.

Exactly, but one had better figure out WHICH side is working an agenda for what reasons!!

Follow the money!

And more money www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?contentid=4870

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

It is called balance

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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It is called balance

Very droll. The world's most profitable company is balanced by what? Greepeace? Ha ha.

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Enterprise_Institute

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[narcimund 0]

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It is called balance when my side does it

Oops. You forgot to finish your sentence.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[rushmc 23]

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It is called balance when my side does it

Oops. You forgot to finish your sentence.

Now whos guessing??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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It is called balance

Very droll. The world's most profitable company is balanced by what? Greepeace? Ha ha.

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Enterprise_Institute

Are you going to quote the founder of Greenpeace who now says the GWing is a hoax?

The tittle and your implication were misleading at best. I have come to understand that is what you do so that is OK.
But you can in no way dipute that the VAST majority of the money goes to those trying to prove GWing is man made (which they can't do) .

So, now that is cleared up you can figure out your next one liner

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[narcimund 0]

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Now whos guessing??

Me: "Hey man, there's a fork stuck in your head!"

Man with fork in his head: "No there isn't."

Me: "Yeah, it's right there! It's jammed into your head. Blood's coming out. That must hurt terribly!"

Man with fork in his head: "Prove to me there's a fork in my head."

Me: "Uh... feel it! Look at the blood coming down your face. Look in a mirror."

Man with fork in his head: "That proves nothing. There's no fork in my head."

Me: "You're nuts! It's right there. Hold on, I'm getting a doctor."

Man with fork in his head: "You'll do no such thing. There's nothing wrong with me. You can't prove there is." ... {wanders off, bleeding some more...}

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[rushmc 23]

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Now whos guessing??

Me: "Hey man, there's a fork stuck in your head!"

Man with fork in his head: "No there isn't."

Me: "Yeah, it's right there! It's jammed into your head. Blood's coming out. That must hurt terribly!"

Man with fork in his head: "Prove to me there's a fork in my head."

Me: "Uh... feel it! Look at the blood coming down your face. Look in a mirror."

Man with fork in his head: "That proves nothing. There's no fork in my head."

Me: "You're nuts! It's right there. Hold on, I'm getting a doctor."

Man with fork in his head: "You'll do no such thing. There's nothing wrong with me. You can't prove there is." ... {wanders off, bleeding some more...}

I must have eaten asparagus last night. My pee smells funny

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Now whos guessing??

Me: "Hey man, there's a fork stuck in your head!"

Man with fork in his head: "No there isn't."

Me: "Yeah, it's right there! It's jammed into your head. Blood's coming out. That must hurt terribly!"

Man with fork in his head: "Prove to me there's a fork in my head."

Me: "Uh... feel it! Look at the blood coming down your face. Look in a mirror."

Man with fork in his head: "That proves nothing. There's no fork in my head."

Me: "You're nuts! It's right there. Hold on, I'm getting a doctor."

Man with fork in his head: "You'll do no such thing. There's nothing wrong with me. You can't prove there is." ... {wanders off, bleeding some more...}

Are you sure you are not looking in the miror?

Edited to add: And I am not making reference to my sig line.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,589]

Let me ask you something. If we ARE in a normal climate swing, do you think there's anything that we, as a human race, can do with our behavior to make it better or worse?

I've commonly seen references to global warming going back to the early 80's, so it's not a new thing that people just thought up.

Of course, in the 80's we were also just starting to code stuff with 4-digit year fields, because it occurred to us that eventually the century was going to turn over. People don't see forward real well sometimes.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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Let me ask you something. If we ARE in a normal climate swing, do you think there's anything that we, as a human race, can do with our behavior to make it better or worse? No, nothing significat. We can (and do) make areas unlivable and that is a crime. But nothing on the scale of global warming

I've commonly seen references to global warming going back to the early 80's, so it's not a new thing that people just thought up. And it was not long before that we were all going to freeze to death in a new ice age. Do you remember any of the fixes that were talked about then?

Of course, in the 80's we were also just starting to code stuff with 4-digit year fields, because it occurred to us that eventually the century was going to turn over. People don't see forward real well sometimes.True, but there is absolutly no science of any kind that supports the story man is causing GWing. Tweaked modles and CO2 temp graghs (that prove temps come before CO2 increases) are used to push this false claim. The originators of the theory now say they were wrong and they are lambasted by GWing comunity. Too much bs and probably enough to go around on both sides.

Wendy W.

The facts (from science) show we have been here before. We will be here again long after you and I are gone. But those facts do not create reasons to try and put into place a world taxing org. One like the UN can run and make more of thier members rich.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[narcimund 0]

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Are you sure you are not looking in the miror?

Oh come on. You can't be done repeatedly quoting my entire post just to add yet another one liner. I'm sure you can do it three or four more times.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[billvon 3,119]

>You're one of the first from that side of the aisle to agree with the "sun" factor.

Uh, no. Every scientist working on climate modeling understands that the sun is the source of 99.9% of the energy that drives our climate.

>However, a slight change in the sun causes changes on a macro scale.

It causes the amount of change that it's responsible for. If total insolation increases by .5 watts/square meter, we can model that and predict what will happen. If some other process (say, anthropogenic CO2 releases) decreases re-radiation (and thus increases heat retention) by 2.5 watts/square meter, we can also model that.

Unfortunately, there are people out there who believe you can model a .5 w/m2 increase (and that it has "macro" effects) but that a 2.5 w/m2 increase means nothing. This is an inconsistent position.

[stayhigh 2]

Yeah and cigarette were considered healthy habit at some point..

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