dorbie 0 #1 May 11, 2007 Video of Hitchens on free speech, excellent stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lBw99RbEyA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #2 May 11, 2007 QuoteVideo of Hitchens on free speech, excellent stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lBw99RbEyA "Don't take refuge in the false security of concensus." Wise words indeed.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 May 11, 2007 Quote Quote Video of Hitchens on free speech, excellent stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lBw99RbEyA "Don't take refuge in the false security of concensus." Wise words indeed. Is this a free speach talk or one on global warming??"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #4 May 11, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Video of Hitchens on free speech, excellent stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lBw99RbEyA "Don't take refuge in the false security of concensus." Wise words indeed. Is this a free speach talk or one on global warming?? It certainly does apply. The point he was making was that the opposing viewpoint, however small a minority espouses it or however out there it is, should be protected. Not only because of the right of that minority to speak their viewpoint but also because of the benefit to others of hearing that viewpoint and being spurred to examine more closely their own view as a result.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDMA 0 #5 May 11, 2007 Why isn't there freedom of speach on here? Why is it that a person can have a view point, and just because it isn't the majorities view point, they get called a troll and can get banned? can anybody explain to me why People say freedom of speach is so important, yet they them think it's ok to call somebody a troll and ban them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #6 May 11, 2007 > Why isn't there freedom of speach on here? Because Sangiro pays for this board, and is free (that word again) to do whatever he chooses with it. If you paid for it, you would be free to do with it whatever _you_ choose. If you prefer a public board with no rules, I recommend rec.skydiving. >Why is it that a person can have a view point, and just because it isn't >the majorities view point, they get called a troll and can get banned? They don't. >can anybody explain to me why People say freedom of speach is >so important, yet they them think it's ok to call somebody a troll and ban >them? Freedom of speech is nice but is not a right anyone on this board has (other than Sangiro.) If you follow the rules, you can post your viewpoint to your heart's content. If you violate the rules, you may lose your ability to post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 May 11, 2007 Quote> Why isn't there freedom of speach on here? Because Sangiro pays for this board, and is free (that word again) to do whatever he chooses with it. If you paid for it, you would be free to do with it whatever _you_ choose. If you prefer a public board with no rules, I recommend rec.skydiving. >Why is it that a person can have a view point, and just because it isn't >the majorities view point, they get called a troll and can get banned? They don't. >can anybody explain to me why People say freedom of speach is >so important, yet they them think it's ok to call somebody a troll and ban >them? Freedom of speech is nice but is not a right anyone on this board has (other than Sangiro.) If you follow the rules, you can post your viewpoint to your heart's content. If you violate the rules, you may lose your ability to post. I think the point that I was trying to make would be that the rules should be applied the same. To me that does not apear to be the case sometimes."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #9 May 11, 2007 >To me that does not apear to be the case sometimes. If you see a post that bothers you, PM a moderator and we will look at it. If you don't, and you "save up" all your beefs until you make a PA (so you have a "comeback") we will not pay any heed to your previous complaints. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 May 11, 2007 Quote>To me that does not apear to be the case sometimes. If you see a post that bothers you, PM a moderator and we will look at it. If you don't, and you "save up" all your beefs until you make a PA (so you have a "comeback") we will not pay any heed to your previous complaints. Are you dancing around a point here?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 May 11, 2007 QuoteI think the point that I was trying to make would be that the rules should be applied the same. To me that does not apear to be the case sometimes. yeah, there may be a bit of bias at times, but I don't think anyone has been tosses that didn't deserve it. Despite frequently disagreeing with the powers that be, I haven't managed to get tossed in the penalty box. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #12 May 12, 2007 >Are you dancing around a point here? Nope. Take that 100% literally. It's also in the rules and in the post at the top of this forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #13 May 12, 2007 QuoteWhy isn't there freedom of speach on here? The Forums are private property. I was recently asked to drop a political sig line on my posts, or else be restricted to Speakers' Corner only. So I dropped the sig line and started a SC thread along the same lines. Everybody's happy and I'm still expressing my (controversial) point of view. Freedom of speech is totally misunderstood. It's not the right to say anything anywhere. It is the guarantee that THE GOVERNMENT cannot arrest, imprison, torture, or execute you for expressing your views about the government and its policies. And that is all, the rest is just window dressing. Hence, Linda Ronstadt could - and was - fired and evicted from a Las Vegas hotel where she made some political comments about Bush and Michael Moore in the middle of a performance. She was not arrested, prosecuted, jailed, tortured, or executed for her remarks, just fired and evicted by a contract employer who owns the hotel she was performing at. No 1st Amendment issue was involved. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
