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Hey if you dig him so much.. feel free to sign onto the Crusade.
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Dang it...I'm trying to get you pissed off! 
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and I wonder ...what will their historical perspective be?
That is possibly the most conceited post I've read here.
You seem completely oblivious to your sin of comparing your fellow travellers to Hitler's Nazis in the most glib and unsupported way while managing to avoid any iota of introspection concerning your own political opinions in a greater historical context.
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QuoteWow, are you comparing germany under Hitler to the U.S. under GWB?
I was referring to the etiology of national and curtural shifts. They don't just spring up out of the blue.
In the beginning, at least, you have a strong leader and loyal patriots who love their country. These 'instinctual mind' types are easily swept up in nationalism ...jingoists, if you will.
Then they start eroding national and personal freedoms ...in the name of national and personal freedoms.
Once starting down that slippery slope, where does it go?
Beginning to see the connection yet?
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"O brave new world that has such people in it".
"O brave new world that has such people in it".
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and I wonder ...what will their historical perspective be?
That is possibly the most conceited post I've read here.
You seem completely oblivious to your sin of comparing your fellow travellers to Hitler's Nazis in the most glib and unsupported way while managing to avoid any iota of introspection concerning your own political opinions in a greater historical context.
I suspected you would have difficulty seeing the problems.
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"O brave new world that has such people in it".
"O brave new world that has such people in it".
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The thing that really makes me wonder is - how many of them didn't really buy into the Nazi ideal, but just went along with what was happening anyway because that was what they were being told to do.
my thoughts exactly. I had an Alzheimer's patient ex-Nazi. tell everyone about his experience. he said that the Nazi's came into his school and asked for volunteers. Those who didn't volunteer, weren't heard from again. So he volunteered.
A leader can't make a major ideological or cultural shift without a significant percentage of willing, loyal followers.
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"O brave new world that has such people in it".
"O brave new world that has such people in it".
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I get the point you are trying to make, it's just a huge stretch. The "Jingoes" are brought together by an enemy. A dictator needs a certain group to blame the state of his own nation on, a group they can rise up and unite against. i.e. the Jews are exploiting our German workers, western europe has kept us down ever since WW1 and are embarrassing us with the peace treaty.
Here are the two reasons that come to mind.
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The U.S. president can use "terrorists" to blame, as an excuse for people to target their anger at, but for what. Germany was in a terrible way in the 1930s, during the great depression. They had lost the first world war and were deep in debt in retribution payment. The U.S. economy is doing pretty good, even the recession after 9/11 turned out to be minor.
The U.S. ended up becoming the lone super power on the planet during the cold war. The situations in our countries are very different. We are not suffering.
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The two political parties fighting for power in Germany were assasinating each other left and right, when the Nazi party was struggling for power. Both parties had paramilitary groups engaged in beating citizens while they were fighting for power. This is the situation Germany was in before the Nazi's even got into office.
If Democrats and Republicans start assasinating each other all over the place, then I'll worry about a slippery slope. If either party starts beating on independant citizens like myself, then I'll worry about a slippery slope.
Here are the two reasons that come to mind.
1.
The U.S. president can use "terrorists" to blame, as an excuse for people to target their anger at, but for what. Germany was in a terrible way in the 1930s, during the great depression. They had lost the first world war and were deep in debt in retribution payment. The U.S. economy is doing pretty good, even the recession after 9/11 turned out to be minor.
The U.S. ended up becoming the lone super power on the planet during the cold war. The situations in our countries are very different. We are not suffering.
2.
The two political parties fighting for power in Germany were assasinating each other left and right, when the Nazi party was struggling for power. Both parties had paramilitary groups engaged in beating citizens while they were fighting for power. This is the situation Germany was in before the Nazi's even got into office.
If Democrats and Republicans start assasinating each other all over the place, then I'll worry about a slippery slope. If either party starts beating on independant citizens like myself, then I'll worry about a slippery slope.
So, in other words, if you agree with him he is an all-seeing prophet, but if you don't he is a right-wing radical who blindly follows W. And some people get to call him both depending on what subject he is talking about.
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